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Post by hooverfoxhat on Jul 25, 2010 9:41:33 GMT 1
Keep your receipts, try presenting them to the club with a well written explanation outlining your circumstances surrounding your trip, you never know.......there may be a sympathetic outcome.
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Post by mightyshrew on Jul 25, 2010 11:02:00 GMT 1
Can I just add Jonah... Yes I didn't want Turner and yes I voiced very strong opinions about not wanting him but I'm disappointed you have failed to notice from the very day he was appointed I shut up. I was a bit critical at the start with lack of signings but in the main I'm reasonably happy, so far so good and I'm backing him now he's here. I'm just do annoyed by this weekends decision
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Post by Pilch on Jul 25, 2010 11:14:26 GMT 1
why blame the tournament organisers ?
i would imagine any registered competition only allows 3 subs
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 11:18:37 GMT 1
why blame the tournament organisers ? i would imagine any registered competition only allows 3 subs Then why were other clubs allowed to make more?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 11:20:11 GMT 1
Keep your receipts, try presenting them to the club with a well written explanation outlining your circumstances surrounding your trip, you never know.......there may be a sympathetic outcome. A nice idea but would be amazed if anything came of it The club could point out that it was not guaranteed that we would be playing anyway as it would be dependent on us winning the sem-final
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 11:46:36 GMT 1
why blame the tournament organisers ? i would imagine any registered competition only allows 3 subs I suppose the same way as any registered competition plays 40 minutes each way in the qualifying round. I also suppose any registered competition has such a crass points system as having Ilfracombe top of the group after 2 matches, both of which they lost 5-1. The indisputible fact is they changed the rules about subs at the last minute as any participating club will testify. Some clubs broke these rules and were allowed to get away with it. What registered competition allows carte blanche rule breaking?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 25, 2010 18:31:14 GMT 1
Keep your receipts, try presenting them to the club with a well written explanation outlining your circumstances surrounding your trip, you never know.......there may be a sympathetic outcome. A nice idea but would be amazed if anything came of it The club could point out that it was not guaranteed that we would be playing anyway as it would be dependent on us winning the sem-final Any club that thinks enough of it's fans and the costs involved in getting to Devon and staying there could quietly offer a free ticket to a home game to anyone who complained the correct way. Wouldn't cost anything to do so and would be a good sweetener for those concerned. The fact that Town don't seem to have any real concern about the fans and the cost to them of following the club doesn't seem to be high on the priority list these days since the move to the new ground though so I doubt it would happen but you never know if you don't try
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 18:36:43 GMT 1
Id agree it would be extremely nice if the club did offer something to those affected fans but Id be surprised.
But please dont come out with the never-ending "the club dont care about the fans since the ground move", there were plenty of occasions when we were at GM where we all complained about the clubs attitude to fans for various reasons.
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Post by bryncartwright on Jul 25, 2010 19:59:06 GMT 1
I don't often post on here but this has really done my quiff in.
I went down to Devon i met some lovely people made some new friends and had a great laugh.Everyone in our group had a superb time and the chairman of Illfracombe Town will be receiving a letter to personally thank him for the his superb and appreciated hospitality.It was a joy to be there.
There are ways and means in this life and the way Town went about their "pulling out" was an utter embarrassment for all connected with Shrewsbury Town.In Elmore's clubhouse yesterday after the match i felt embarrassed.
Thanks, we booked extra nights (although we a right laugh that's not the point) travelled down to Tiverton from Illfracombe a journey of 84 miles round trip over the Devon hills to find they were going to basically throw the game.This is when a lot of people had brought tickets for the final
I'm not happy and as much as a letter will be sent to Illfracombe's chairman i very tempted to do the same thing to Town's but it will not be as complimentary.
It was a sad end to what was a brilliant week.
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Post by poolieshrew on Jul 25, 2010 20:12:15 GMT 1
Do think the club needs to put a lid on this debacle by making a gesture to some of the travelling fans and possibly a statement to fully explain matters. I to thought I'd pop down to the game a slight 800 mile round trip for me however I'm a lucky one Reading some fellow fans tales in that in it was on route for me and I didn't have to change plans . surfing will not be affected! Apparently the town lads were doing a bit of surfing this week, hope the fa don't find out I'm sure that wouldn't be allowed according to competition rules!!
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Post by Dale on Jul 25, 2010 20:16:41 GMT 1
I don't often post on here but this has really done my quiff in. I went down to Devon i met some lovely people made some new friends and had a great laugh.Everyone in our group had a superb time and the chairman of Illfracombe Town will be receiving a letter to personally thank him for the his superb and appreciated hospitality.It was a joy to be there. There are ways and means in this life and the way Town went about their "pulling out" was an utter embarrassment for all connected with Shrewsbury Town.In Elmore's clubhouse yesterday after the match i felt embarrassed. Thanks, we booked extra nights (although we a right laugh that's not the point) travelled down to Tiverton from Illfracombe a journey of 84 miles round trip over the Devon hills to find they were going to basically throw the game.This is when a lot of people had brought tickets for the final I'm not happy and as much as a letter will be sent to Illfracombe's chairman i very tempted to do the same thing to Town's but it will not be as complimentary. It was a sad end to what was a brilliant week. Good post, I think I'd be quite peeved if I have gone down there with the intention of seeing all the games only to see Salop pull out after the semi final, however Salop arent alone in this, Donny also pulled out and Grimsby also pulled out of last year's final, the needs of the fans are secondary when it comes to the fitness and condition of the squad, and rightly so, maybe it would have been better if GT announced to everyone before the semi final that Salop wouldnt take their place in the final if they won? It was a difficult decision to make and I'm glad he had the balls to do it despite the risk of upsetting some people.....
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Post by bryncartwright on Jul 25, 2010 20:40:51 GMT 1
You know when someone says to you at work or in the pub etc etc "Oh you should of been there"
Well I'm saying exactly that.We know the season is more important and the fitness of the players etc is the prime consideration.
Not one of us would of moaned if Havant & Waterlooville had won fair and square.But the whole episode left a sour taste and could of been dealt with in a much more dignified manner.
I'm not for one second disregarding your opinion about players fitness and GT decision it just would of nice to of known to save us and extra 3 hours traveling and petrol
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Post by sgd on Jul 25, 2010 21:30:43 GMT 1
We were told by S.T.F.C. club officials,prior to the semi-final, not to bother booking accomodation for the Saturday night as we were pulling out.
The team went out to try and win the semi-final,there was no "throwing it"
I think that as we knew how many games might have to be played perhaps we should be questioning why the Coventry game wasn't arranged for Wednesday.
The official programme was available weeks ago and clearly stated that 3 subs would be allowed.
We have had a superb week and watched a match each night,the tournament has been well run but we have been to Holdsworthy,Torridge,Bideford,Ilfracombe and Tiverton town centres and not seen a single poster advertising the games which might explain the low crowds.
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Post by Dale on Jul 25, 2010 21:33:58 GMT 1
You know when someone says to you at work or in the pub etc etc "Oh you should of been there" Well I'm saying exactly that.We know the season is more important and the fitness of the players etc is the prime consideration. Not one of us would of moaned if Havant & Waterlooville had won fair and square.But the whole episode left a sour taste and could of been dealt with in a much more dignified manner. I'm not for one second disregarding your opinion about players fitness and GT decision it just would of nice to of known to save us and extra 3 hours traveling and petrol Dont get me wrong I would have felt the same if I was in your situation, it makes me wonder when GT and his coaching staff made the definite decision to go home after the semi final regardless, I feel in future maybe its best to stay away from densely packed pre-season tournaments and go on 2 or 3 match pre season tours of areas such as the West Country, Ireland and Scotland where were will know in advance what games will be played, I went on the Ireland 1999 tour and despite the awful football I had a bloody brilliant time in Dublin
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Post by keithyshrew25 on Jul 25, 2010 21:37:54 GMT 1
I do feel sorry for those that travelled, and I do feel they should be at least partially compensated by the club... but I also believe that STFC made the right decision in pulling out. This is a nothing tournament, the first home friendly needs a good team put out to avoid annoying A LOT more fans, and the season is just around the corner...
Could it have been handled better? Yes. But the same could be said of the tournament organisers who don't seem to have learned from last year
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Post by Jonah on Jul 25, 2010 21:58:11 GMT 1
Obsolute disgrace by STFC Regardless of the circumstances they should have seen the tournament out. A totally embarrassment 4 the club officials and more importantlymthe supporters who made the journey. GT please explain
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Post by bryncartwright on Jul 25, 2010 22:13:42 GMT 1
You know when someone says to you at work or in the pub etc etc "Oh you should of been there" Well I'm saying exactly that.We know the season is more important and the fitness of the players etc is the prime consideration. Not one of us would of moaned if Havant & Waterlooville had won fair and square.But the whole episode left a sour taste and could of been dealt with in a much more dignified manner. I'm not for one second disregarding your opinion about players fitness and GT decision it just would of nice to of known to save us and extra 3 hours traveling and petrol Dont get me wrong I would have felt the same if I was in your situation, it makes me wonder when GT and his coaching staff made the definite decision to go home after the semi final regardless, I feel in future maybe its best to stay away from densely packed pre-season tournaments and go on 2 or 3 match pre season tours of areas such as the West Country, Ireland and Scotland where were will know in advance what games will be played, I went on the Ireland 1999 tour and despite the awful football I had a bloody brilliant time in Dublin I don't mean to offend anyone and sorry if came accross as right patronising so & so but it was handled badly.Oh well i had a good week away
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Post by jaytee on Jul 25, 2010 22:25:27 GMT 1
Dont get me wrong I would have felt the same if I was in your situation, it makes me wonder when GT and his coaching staff made the definite decision to go home after the semi final regardless, I feel in future maybe its best to stay away from densely packed pre-season tournaments and go on 2 or 3 match pre season tours of areas such as the West Country, Ireland and Scotland where were will know in advance what games will be played, I went on the Ireland 1999 tour and despite the awful football I had a bloody brilliant time in Dublin I don't mean to offend anyone and sorry if came accross as right patronising so & so but it was handled badly.Oh well i had a good week away Nice down there, init, Bryn? I'm taking the dragon to do a Sunday to Toosday trip in the winter. I'm sure it will be appreciated.
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Post by DaveG on Jul 26, 2010 10:22:55 GMT 1
Reasons on both sides, I can understand pulling out but feel the communication could have been better.
It would seem a fairly simple and easy task to allow free entry to the Coventry/Tranmere game to any fan who presented their ticket for the Devon final that never was....Nice gesture from the club and would fairly quickly calm all but the most unreasonable....
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 26, 2010 10:26:28 GMT 1
That does seem a reasonable suggestion DaveG.
I've been on holiday and just got back so have missed most of the tournament. My first reaction is that this does not reflect well on STFC but it seems as if other clubs have done it and that there has been some flexibility in the rules.
If my memory serves me correctly though - didn't Town enter this competition before we had a manager - perhaps if GT had been appointed earlier (I know this wasn't possible) he would have looked at the friendly fixtures and realised the timing wasn't great and not entered in the first place.
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Post by mightyshrew on Jul 26, 2010 11:45:18 GMT 1
Out of interest if I want to make my feelings known to the club who am I best to e-mail, anyone know?
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Post by gay on Jul 26, 2010 12:02:21 GMT 1
out of interest, what would you have done if they had of lost to H+W?
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Post by DiglisShrew on Jul 26, 2010 13:19:05 GMT 1
That does seem a reasonable suggestion DaveG. I've been on holiday and just got back so have missed most of the tournament. My first reaction is that this does not reflect well on STFC but it seems as if other clubs have done it and that there has been some flexibility in the rules. If my memory serves me correctly though - didn't Town enter this competition before we had a manager - perhaps if GT had been appointed earlier (I know this wasn't possible) he would have looked at the friendly fixtures and realised the timing wasn't great and not entered in the first place. I would suspect that GT was being kept fully consulted before his official appointment !
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Post by blueblooded4ever on Jul 26, 2010 13:24:58 GMT 1
Would it have not been possible to have brought some of the youth team down on the friday night ,and to keep the cost down they could have swapped rooms with those who were going home. The account our young pros gave of themselves in the previous games I am sure the likes of Bradshaw,the two Taylors,Goldson,Hooman and any of the youth team would have relished the chance to cross swords in a final with premiership opposition.It would have shown the club to be honouring its responsibilities to the tournament having entered and reaching the final.I am sure the fans who had travelled down there would have given them a rousing reception.I do hope those who bought tickets will be"looked after"by the clubs as despite what Gary Neville thinks we the fans are the most important thing in the game.
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Post by mightyshrew on Jul 26, 2010 13:47:29 GMT 1
Plan was simple, or so we thought. We drove down Sat morning and watched the H&W game. Had we lost, drive straight back. As we all know we won so on the final whistle we drove straight from Tiverton to the coast. When we got there I googled some B&B's got a room. It was once we got in our room I sat down and thought I'd pop on Shrews Web to see GT's post match thoughts. It was then I read that we'd pulled out
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Post by gay on Jul 26, 2010 13:52:04 GMT 1
Plan was simple, or so we thought. We drove down Sat morning and watched the H&W game. Had we lost, drive straight back. As we all know we won so on the final whistle we drove straight from Tiverton to the coast. When we got there I googled some B&B's got a room. It was once we got in our room I sat down and thought I'd pop on Shrews Web to see GT's post match thoughts. It was then I read that we'd pulled out now i understand your frustration
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Post by eclipsechaser on Jul 26, 2010 14:10:41 GMT 1
pulling out of the comp is bad sportsmanship whatever reasons we have for moaning about the rules and sub and blackpool doesnt really make any sense when we make the tournament into a farce by pulling out at the very least we could have protested by fielding the away supporters v blackpool and giving them the dispespect they deserved I agree . We should have fielded a team from those fans who had gone to watch . That would have embarressed the management of the crack pot cup . Good idea for us to host our own comp. next time though .
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Post by DaveG on Jul 26, 2010 14:13:09 GMT 1
Plan was simple, or so we thought. We drove down Sat morning and watched the H&W game. Had we lost, drive straight back. As we all know we won so on the final whistle we drove straight from Tiverton to the coast. When we got there I googled some B&B's got a room. It was once we got in our room I sat down and thought I'd pop on Shrews Web to see GT's post match thoughts. It was then I read that we'd pulled out I understood from one of our fans that was down there that a club official told them before the game that win or lose they were going home. Could be wrong though.
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Post by eclipsechaser on Jul 26, 2010 14:15:03 GMT 1
Get used to it boys GT aint bothered about fans as you will find out more often than not. That is a pathetic and pointless accusation . Utterly groundless with no evidence , then or now .
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Post by slopat on Jul 26, 2010 14:29:22 GMT 1
no evidence i do believe GT saying "if we loose a few then so be it"
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