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Post by jamo on Jun 28, 2010 19:22:26 GMT 1
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Post by Dont believe the HYPE on Jun 28, 2010 19:45:09 GMT 1
Some kind of wind up I take it? Ricky Tomlinson needs a kick in the head let alone a march through the town, attacking workers then having the audacity to say he is doing it for the grater good. With a bit a luck the police will be on hand with a few choice baton charges, Oh if only Maggie was in power today.
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Post by jamo on Jun 28, 2010 20:09:31 GMT 1
I'm impressed that you think someone deserves to be kicked in the head.
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Post by jaytee on Jun 28, 2010 20:20:34 GMT 1
I'm a frayed I'm working in Clun all day on Saturday, but at exactly 10.30am, I will down tools and march up and down Riverside Gardens, (aka millionaires row), shouting such slogans as "The Proletariat shall rise against the Fascist dictators". That should liven the place up. I'm not letting the bloke working for me march though, he can get on with his work, the lazy git, or I'll dock his meagre pay even more.
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Post by andygroundo on Jun 28, 2010 20:43:16 GMT 1
For all those lovers of justice and the rights of the working man please feel free to join us and help right this dreadful politcal decision. A worthy cause Alan Not sure what I'm up to Saturday morning at the moment but will try and get along. Worth remembering that the other one of the 2 Dessie Warren died at 66 at blamed the medication during his jail term for his illness. www.guardian.co.uk/news/2004/may/01/guardianobituaries.politics
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jun 28, 2010 20:59:39 GMT 1
Perhaps you could invite Mr Grocott along Alan.
As for innocence do you no longer believe in British justice ?
The case was heard by an appeal court with no reprieve perhaps we should just accept these violent men who thuggishly stopped good Salopians from working are guilty after all and stop letting political bias rule our heads.
I note that no investigation was ordered under the previous Labour administration.
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Post by eclipsechaser on Jun 28, 2010 21:08:39 GMT 1
What is the political decision that you are marching against ?
The Right to bear pressed flowers in a Book ?
I'm all for standing up for the oppressed florists !
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Post by jamo on Jun 28, 2010 21:08:43 GMT 1
Cheers Andy, would be good to see you there. Expecting a crowd of 1000 plus with some decent speakers and a few beers at The Unison club afterwards. Dessie Warren never recovered from his treatment in prison and if nothing else deserves to have his name cleared posthumously.
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Post by jamo on Jun 28, 2010 21:26:20 GMT 1
Perhaps you could invite Mr Grocott along Alan. As for innocence do you no longer believe in British justice ? Good question, to which the obvious answer is of course I believe in Britsh justice. That is why I believe in this cause. There are many, many cases of the British judicial system getting things wrong with the decision only being overturned by campaigns and political pressure. This is just such a case. Whatever the rights and wrongs of that industrial action back then the indisputable facts are that 24 people were tried and convicted as a direct result of government interference and pressure. Couple that with the fact that those jailed were pressured to plead guilty in return for recieving suspended sentences only to be betrayed by the judge makes this a political cause and one that won't go away. See you there
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 21:45:38 GMT 1
Perhaps you could invite Mr Grocott along Alan. As for innocence do you no longer believe in British justice ? Good question, to which the obvious answer is of course I believe in Britsh justice. That is why I believe in this cause. There are many, many cases of the British judicial system getting things wrong with the decision only being overturned by campaigns and political pressure. This is just such a case. Whatever the rights and wrongs of that industrial action back then the indisputable facts are that 24 people were tried and convicted as a direct result of government interference and pressure. Couple that with the fact that those jailed were pressured to plead guilty in return for recieving suspended sentences only to be betrayed by the judge makes this a political cause and one that won't go away. See you there Sometimes its just best to let history remain history!! Jamo, these union things that you get so all heated about, do you agree with them, who is the geezer that is pulling the strings for the BA air steward's et al!! what do you think about his £150k a year salary paid for out of union funds..... would not say there in it for the worker would you?? or is it in his best interests for the strikes to continue as he will become the next union hero!! just looking at the inflation busting pay rises for the red men, seems like they have there noses in the trough as bad as MP's www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5960724/Trade-union-leaders-receive-huge-pay-rises-despite-redundancies-and-salary-cuts-among-members.html
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Post by shrewsace on Jun 28, 2010 22:44:45 GMT 1
Good question, to which the obvious answer is of course I believe in Britsh justice. That is why I believe in this cause. There are many, many cases of the British judicial system getting things wrong with the decision only being overturned by campaigns and political pressure. This is just such a case. Whatever the rights and wrongs of that industrial action back then the indisputable facts are that 24 people were tried and convicted as a direct result of government interference and pressure. Couple that with the fact that those jailed were pressured to plead guilty in return for recieving suspended sentences only to be betrayed by the judge makes this a political cause and one that won't go away. See you there Sometimes its just best to let history remain history!! Jamo, these union things that you get so all heated about, do you agree with them, who is the geezer that is pulling the strings for the BA air steward's et al!! what do you think about his £150k a year salary paid for out of union funds..... would not say there in it for the worker would you?? or is it in his best interests for the strikes to continue as he will become the next union hero!! just looking at the inflation busting pay rises for the red men, seems like they have there noses in the trough as bad as MP's www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5960724/Trade-union-leaders-receive-huge-pay-rises-despite-redundancies-and-salary-cuts-among-members.htmlSounds like 'the politics of envy' to me
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Post by vicscrashedurcar on Jun 28, 2010 23:03:53 GMT 1
'.. justice and the rights of the working man'.
What about the rights of the men who wanted to work on that building site in Brookside all those years ago, only to be confronted by the flying pickets.
Didn't a bloke lose his sight? All he wanted to do was turn up for work, do a days shift then go home. But just because a group of individuals don't agree with that, he gets injured? Now where's the justice in that?
The fact is, Tomlinson WAS pro-active in organising bus loads of men who would intimidate others into joining their cause.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2010 0:00:30 GMT 1
lets not forget the block through the windscreen thrown by pickets on the M4 that killed a taxi driver during the miners strike!!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 29, 2010 0:10:03 GMT 1
And then there was the gun powder down the chimnies during the strike in Sheffield during the nineteenth century.
Tranquilising drugs to awkward prisoners? Dear me!
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Post by Dont believe the HYPE on Jun 29, 2010 6:10:58 GMT 1
Perhaps you could invite Mr Grocott along Alan. As for innocence do you no longer believe in British justice ? The case was heard by an appeal court with no reprieve perhaps we should just accept these violent men who thuggishly stopped good Salopians from working are guilty after all and stop letting political bias rule our heads. I note that no investigation was ordered under the previous Labour administration. Exalted
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jun 29, 2010 6:35:49 GMT 1
See you there I shall hopefully be in the land of nod, I will let you "radicals" have your march and wave aggressive banners in the faces of good townsfolk going about their business in peace. Besides, look at it this way, you won't get past the first pub, Andy will stop to stamp on every garden and Pab won't get past the first chippy...it's doomed I tell ya !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2010 16:46:37 GMT 1
i wanna join the South West London Shrewsbury Defence Committee. never heard of this stuff before, imagine shrewsbury as a hot bed of trades union militancy sorry Jamo, sure its a good cause, but i will be keeping the red flag flying on ward 14 on saturday, but i hope it goes well.
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Jun 29, 2010 18:15:53 GMT 1
See you there I shall hopefully be in the land of nod, The fire in your heart is out commerade
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 30, 2010 8:45:10 GMT 1
Jamo, did the guy that lost his sight ever receive an apology from Tomlinson and Warren?
No agenda, just a question.
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Post by vicscrashedurcar on Jun 30, 2010 9:53:34 GMT 1
I don't think he ever did.
There was a programme on tv sometime ago where they both met for the first time since the incident, where Tomlinson made light of the injuries received.
The excuse being that 'these things happen'. The two men never shook hands.
To arrange & participate in a rally to demonstrate his 'innocence' is wrong. Tomlinson is guilty as charged & it's quite perturbing that any democratic party would think he was not.
Again, what about the rights of the working men who were non-party members. Or do they not have any??
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Post by thenewblueorder on Jun 30, 2010 10:08:01 GMT 1
i noticed Bob Crow is attending , will he be flown in by helicopter from his rather large house paid for by the hard up workers etc ?
Just heard on the radio Mr Crow is calling all affected by poss cuts to strike , will he strike , will he be able to pay the bills ?
Of course he will , he's just a fat cat with a red hat on .
Anyone for a counter demo ?
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Post by d00bie on Jun 30, 2010 10:13:50 GMT 1
The flying pickets were just lawless bullies using intimidatory tactics. And the out of work builders were no better
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Post by Minor on Jun 30, 2010 10:47:02 GMT 1
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Post by blazey on Jun 30, 2010 18:31:50 GMT 1
Was there last year. Will be there this year.
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Post by Dont believe the HYPE on Jun 30, 2010 18:52:15 GMT 1
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Post by jamo on Jun 30, 2010 19:24:54 GMT 1
Was there last year. Will be there this year. Well done comrade Ignore the predictables of B & A's right wing. Same old arguments, same old spiel, same old tired out rhetoric. What we should do brother is kick them all in the head.
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Post by shrewsace on Jun 30, 2010 19:29:05 GMT 1
At the end of the trial, and before sentencing, Des Warren and Ricky Tomlinson spoke from the dock. Both speeches laid out clearly their thoughts on how the trial had been set up to criminalise picketing, that it was a political trial.
Warren told the court:
Politically motivated interference by governments acting on behalf of and under political pressure from employers now means that no trade unionist can enter freely into negotiations with employers. They cannot withdraw their labour - the only thing they possess as a bargaining lever - without being accused of setting out to wreck the economy, of challenging the law. The building employers, by their contempt of the laws governing safety regulations, are guilty of causing the deaths and maiming of workers - yet they are not dealt with by the courts.
This is a just cause that all working and middle class people should support.
The demonisation and besmirching of workers who seek to defend their pay and conditions has made something of a comeback in recent years, and I imagine we'll be seeing plenty more of it, too.
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Post by vicscrashedurcar on Jun 30, 2010 20:40:02 GMT 1
There is nothing just about the intimidation of others to join a party when they have no desire to do so.
Where is the just in losing an eye for a cause you have no interest in?
Do you really agree that intimidation & a little GBH is allowed? IMO, joining in with this march is essentially accepting that it is.
These things happened, orchestrated by Tomlinson. It was really quite well-known at the time that you did as you were told (by these pickets). That's not right..
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Post by jamo on Jun 30, 2010 20:48:07 GMT 1
There is nothing just about the intimidation of others to join a party when they have no desire to do so. Where is the just in losing an eye for a cause you have no interest in? Do you really agree that intimidation & a little GBH is allowed? IMO, joining in with this march is essentially accepting that it is. These things happened, orchestrated by Tomlinson. It was really quite well-known at the time that you did as you were told (by these pickets). That's not right.. Well done. Great research.
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