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Post by stfcfan87 on Jun 4, 2010 16:15:16 GMT 1
If he's out I prefer to see Sol Campbell brought in than anyone else. He might be a bit long in the tooth now, but he's just had an outstanding 2nd half of the season for the Goons (before any smartalec makes any comparisons, he wasn't with Secombe, Milligan, Bentine and Sellars. I know he's old, but not that bloody old). Dawson's been training with the squad for the last month. Campbell's been off on holiday not playing or training.
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Post by Tux on Jun 4, 2010 16:16:45 GMT 1
Looks like Gerrard is captain then. Sucks for Rio. Hoping he can make the euro. carragher ? surely ledley king would start ? Carragher is a far better player then king. Apart from the goal King was atrocious in the friendly. Plus King has injury issues himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 16:20:07 GMT 1
You are so Liverpool biased it is un-true!!
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Post by Tux on Jun 4, 2010 16:22:40 GMT 1
Not sure how you dreamt that up?! Nothing like supporting the team... I refer you to Mr. Carragher's book. Something along the lines of he would rather miss a penalty for England than Liverpool. Wouldn't have had him anywhere near the squad in the first place. Oh, and as for supporting the team, get over yourself mate. What's wrong with that? He owes everything to Liverpool. Obviously he is going cares more for liverpool then england. Especially the way he was disgracefully treated by England's 2 faced and pathetic fanbase even before that comment and penalty miss. What matters is that Carra still gives his all when playing for england and is solid 99% of the time for england. He is far superior to the other options available.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 4, 2010 16:23:08 GMT 1
I would argue King is a better defender than Carra, certainly based on form, but King should not be a regular unless he can give assurances he will be available in every game. If not, and it seems he can't, then he should be used as a stop-gap
Losing Rio means we're going to have to fashion one new centre-half partnership at short notice, which is hard enough let-alone two!
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Post by Fingers on Jun 4, 2010 16:29:34 GMT 1
Ok, these guys are supposedly professionals and should be able to slot into a formation with differing personnel.
This does not happen.
Would the following back four work?
Johnson Carra Terry A Cole
You have two v good combinations in place who play domestically together. As for Terry and Carra as a centreback pairing, if we lose we know it wont be for them not putting their bodies on the line.
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Post by Tux on Jun 4, 2010 16:33:46 GMT 1
You are so Liverpool biased it is un-true!! If you seriously think King would be a better option then you are clearly biased yourself. King in his friendly was awful defensively. It was just a complete mess and he was having circles run round him. Plus the guy has loads of injury concerns regarding his leg.. No way is he fit enough to start every game. When Carragher came on in the friendlies the team looked far more stable in terms of defense. Plus Carragher is not afraid of putting himself on the line. Not to mention that Carragher has far more experience playing at a higher level due to consistently playing Champions league football. The pairing of Terry and Carragher would be a great one. Both highly experienced players who have played at the highest level for a long period of time and both both prepared to put themselves on the line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 16:41:05 GMT 1
Read what you've put - "Carra is far superior to the other options". All have pros and cons. King has had a great season whereas Carragher has not, yet the latter has had more experience playing in Europe. I'd be happy with Carragher to start but take your Liverpool tinted glasses off once in a while owd lad!
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Post by Bilbo on Jun 4, 2010 16:41:44 GMT 1
So Heskey has injured Ferdinand in a training session... Probably the best contribution Heskey will make all world cup, that's our defensive crisis solved.
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Post by bradley on Jun 4, 2010 16:43:50 GMT 1
I am not a fan of Carragher, but believe he should line up alongside Terry. The reason being is that Johnson is the biggest liability in defence, while he is excellent going forward, defensivly he is easily beaten which puts a lot more pressure on the central defenders. Carragher has played with Johnson all season so should be able to read his game better
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Post by africanshrew on Jun 4, 2010 16:44:19 GMT 1
Carragher and Terry will be solid against most teams but do they lack the pace required against the very best?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 4, 2010 16:46:03 GMT 1
King, could do a job, but if he plays all three group game, then basically he wont play again, and thats if he got through those three games.
I can see it being a mix and match situation with King and Carrager getting a game or two in the group stages....
The latter stage games and who plays then will probs be judged on that... but at the end of the day, its not whos a better player between the 2 of them... its how much worse are they that Rio???
IMO not that much, and there will be little change in the solidity of the back line really...
Heskey must be getting loads of greif from the rest of the lads now... cant see him starting now either... and Crouch with the 9 shirt too...
So much to talk and discuss about with the world cup!
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Post by Tux on Jun 4, 2010 16:47:47 GMT 1
Read what you've put - "Carra is far superior to the other options". All have pros and cons. King has had a great season whereas Carragher has not, yet the latter has had more experience playing in Europe. I'd be happy with Carragher to start but take your Liverpool tinted glasses off once in a while owd lad! What I'm saying is though that Carragher has had far more experience playing at highest level due to consistently playing in the champions league. Plus is fully healthy and can consistently play many games in a short period of time. Plus Carragher was way more stable defensively then king in the friendlies. King is a good option to have but the lack of experience at the highest level. His major injury problems and performance's for england in the friendly just puts me off him. Carragher has had a poorish season but his standards although has had a better 2nd half of the season and is slowly returning to form. Yea I know I am a tad liverpool biased but I honestly believe Carra would be a better option to start. Plus he is bound to work better with Johnson thus being able to cover for his mistake better then king would.
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Post by ambergambler on Jun 4, 2010 16:55:27 GMT 1
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Post by monkee on Jun 4, 2010 17:04:36 GMT 1
Carragher has been poor this season from what i have seen. he has lost any pace he had if the amount of shirt pulling he does is anything to go by. this is an opportunity to get Dawson in the squad and get him some real international experience.
in defence of carragher, saying you care about your club more than your country doesnt mean he doesnt care.
Question for Samtheshrew, what would you rather, town go up or england win the world cup?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 4, 2010 17:05:51 GMT 1
Bad news, if only for the possibility that it takes Upson a little closer to playing against the world's top strikers.
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Post by samtheshrew on Jun 4, 2010 17:10:35 GMT 1
Carragher has been poor this season from what i have seen. he has lost any pace he had if the amount of shirt pulling he does is anything to go by. this is an opportunity to get Dawson in the squad and get him some real international experience. in defence of carragher, saying you care about your club more than your country doesnt mean he doesnt care. Question for Samtheshrew, what would you rather, town go up or england win the world cup? Very difficult to answer, as either way I could be criticised. However, I would probably say England win the World Cup, because we only get this chance once every four years, whereas the Town will have another 3 shots at promotion before the next World Cup. That is assuming, however, you mean this season, or ever. Also, asking me is different to asking someone who plays for England, as they should care and want to succeed with both teams regardless. Sorry for the delayed reply, was out.
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Post by Tux on Jun 4, 2010 17:11:52 GMT 1
Bit off-topic but is there any news regarding Barry's injury? Carragher has been poor this season from what i have seen. he has lost any pace he had if the amount of shirt pulling he does is anything to go by. this is an opportunity to get Dawson in the squad and get him some real international experience. in defence of carragher, saying you care about your club more than your country doesnt mean he doesnt care. Question for Samtheshrew, what would you rather, town go up or england win the world cup? He had poor first half of the season but had an improved 2nd one. He's actually gotten a bit faster. Rafa stated that around mid-season he did some laps and that he was faster then he was in 08-09. I wouldn't mind Dawson but I doubt he would make it due to Cappello's obsession with experience.
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Post by monkee on Jun 4, 2010 17:13:52 GMT 1
Carragher has been poor this season from what i have seen. he has lost any pace he had if the amount of shirt pulling he does is anything to go by. this is an opportunity to get Dawson in the squad and get him some real international experience. in defence of carragher, saying you care about your club more than your country doesnt mean he doesnt care. Question for Samtheshrew, what would you rather, town go up or england win the world cup? Very difficult to answer, as either way I could be criticised. However, I would probably say England win the World Cup, because we only get this chance once every four years, whereas the Town will have another 3 shots at promotion before the next World Cup. That is assuming, however, you mean this season, or ever. Also, asking me is different to asking someone who plays for England, as they should care and want to succeed with both teams regardless. Sorry for the delayed reply, was out. was pretty quick all fair comments but i was trying to show that whichever you pick, you still care about the other i would go for england too tbh, as you say town have plenty of chances over the next few years, and the world cup is quite close so it seems more important at the moment. lets hope its both
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Post by monkee on Jun 4, 2010 17:16:06 GMT 1
Bit off-topic but is there any news regarding Barry's injury? Carragher has been poor this season from what i have seen. he has lost any pace he had if the amount of shirt pulling he does is anything to go by. this is an opportunity to get Dawson in the squad and get him some real international experience. in defence of carragher, saying you care about your club more than your country doesnt mean he doesnt care. Question for Samtheshrew, what would you rather, town go up or england win the world cup? He had poor first half of the season but had an improved 2nd one. He's actually gotten a bit faster. Rafa stated that around mid-season he did some laps and that he was faster then he was in 08-09. I wouldn't mind Dawson but I doubt he would make it due to Cappello's obsession with experience. on experience alone he should win the place but i dont like the amount of fouls he gives away, dangerous at this level.
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Post by bradley on Jun 4, 2010 17:20:49 GMT 1
If England suffered a further injury to a player before the competition started, are more call ups allowed, or are they limited to one only ?
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Post by shrew4life on Jun 4, 2010 18:15:58 GMT 1
I wasn't that confident in Ferdinand anyway but I would be less so with Carragher. He does seem to commit a lot of fouls and always seems to score own goals. If king can stay fit I would be happy with him or Dawson. I don't rate Upson at all and think he is lucky to have been selected over Dawson. It's such a shame Jagielka wasn't called up as I think he is a superb defender.
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Post by poolieshrew on Jun 4, 2010 19:03:08 GMT 1
Reality is what ever combo Mr Capello plumps for at central defence it is going to be the weak link in our side that will be exposed in the later rounds and quite possibly the group stage . Upson is way off international class, both Carragher & Ferdinand were better defenders 4 years ago and had inconsistant seasons, Kings injury problems are well documented and he looked edgy in the warm up game.Dawsons lack of international experience means he probably wont see any action but could actually be the best option as hes had a solid season, continues to improve and actually has a touch of pace which we need with Terry the other incumbent. Cant see many clean sheets especially with Joe Hart looking like hes not our number 1 so hope our gameplan is attack minded!
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Jun 5, 2010 0:09:01 GMT 1
Ferdinand getting injured by Heskey the cock is a big big blow. Its still beggars belief how the hell he even made the 30. Bent, Zamora, Walcott and a few others could've done a much better job up front. Carragher King, in fact is one of the best defenders in the premiership and I have full confidence in him to do a job even though I would've preferred Ferdinand. Upson deserves a chance instead of Carragher. His club had a crap season which has reflected bad on him really which it doesn't deserve to be and the goals are rarely his fault. Upson for England has been quite good and a recent game away win to Germany where he partnered Terry they were quite solid. Meanwhile result of the day - France 0-1 China ;D Cisse, Anelka and Henry up front are way past it.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 5, 2010 0:46:57 GMT 1
Ferdinand getting injured by Heskey the cock is a big big blow. Its still beggars belief how the hell he even made the 30. Bent, Zamora, Walcott and a few others could've done a much better job up front. Do you know anything about football? Heskey's not the most talented footballer in our squad by a long shot, but the stats don't lie- when he plays, Rooney and our team as a whole play better. Bent might have scored goals this season, but stick him up front with Rooney and watch as we completely fail to hold the ball up and invite pressure. Football isn't as simple as picking the players who score the most goals.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 5, 2010 7:36:13 GMT 1
up front. Carragher His club had a cr@p season which has reflected bad on him really which it doesn't deserve to be and the goals are rarely his fault. Yes because Matthew Upson led West Ham to glory this season ddn't he
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Post by mrbunny on Jun 5, 2010 8:29:12 GMT 1
His name is Rio and he's watching from the stands.
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Post by shrewswolf on Jun 5, 2010 9:23:19 GMT 1
It's bad news, cos I think Upson is ahead of King, Carragher and now Dawson in Capello's eyes. And Matthew Upson up against Ronaldo, Messi, Tevez, Villa, Fabiano just isn't a good thought, if we make it far enought to play them. His club underperformed this season, and so did he. For me, Dawson would've been in anyway so I'd put him straight in.
And yes, Ferdinand is overrated, it's not a loss like Rooney or Lampard would be.
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