|
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jun 3, 2010 9:58:23 GMT 1
During the Industrial Revolution there was significant population movement from England to South Wales, many South Wales people must therefore have English ancestry. Some would also argue that historically Monmouthshire is an English county-- Discuss. Good post. The Cardiff accent has real Geordie influence from all the coal workers. Agreed about Monmouthshire: Chepstow got caught on the wrong side of the river. North Wales was the base of Owain Glyndwr and most of the welsh resistance to the English seemed to come from north of Aberystwyth. All the "lovely" castles that we go and see on School trips are ongoing signs of repression in the eyes of some locals. Conwy, Caernarfon, Harlech: all clear signs of the repression of the Welsh. It is interesting when you take the A5 into North Wales. From Shrewsbury you get to Oswestry, then Llangollen is a bit foot in both camps but by the time you get to Corwen there is a statue of Owain Glydwr, the pub is named after him, suddenly all the Plaid signs appear in the fields and you're in welsh Wales. Even the lakes are signs of English repression: Vrynwy, the other big resevoirs, flooding local villages to provide water for our cities. There is a lot of resentment. It almost reminds me of some of the Basque villages in the Pyranees, and how there is an undertone that stretches back hundreds of years. Or even the Catalan view of the Spanish. Like I have said on here previously: my late grandfather spoke welsh until he went to school. He then received the cane for speaking Welsh, as did every other child, until he learned English. That was in the 1920s in Wrexham. He fought for Queen and Country in the 1940s, but you can be sure he supported Wales not England.
|
|
|
Post by Dale on Jun 3, 2010 11:15:34 GMT 1
Monmouthshire is a beautiful corner of Wales, drove down the 'Wye Valley' road from Chepstow to Monmouth for the first time the other day, would recommend it to anyone on a warm summers day Shifting the subject slightly, I was thinking about the 'welsh colony' in Patagonia in Argentina, is this the only 'welsh colony' as such?
|
|
oranjemob
Midland League Division One
Posts: 486
|
Post by oranjemob on Jun 3, 2010 14:13:46 GMT 1
I have done about 600 miles on North Wales roads since this thread started and still (as posted early in the thread) not seen 1 Welsh flag on a car. I did se them. Honest. Several since as well - maybe I'm just unlucky.
|
|
|
Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 3, 2010 15:58:32 GMT 1
I'm currently on holiday in France where a 'Welsh' appears to be any form of cheese on toast.
The language thing does not only apply in North Wales. My Mum is from Flanders and we visit her home town regularly. However, we don't speak Flemish and if we try to speak French (one of the official languages of Belgium) you get a frosty reception. But if you speak in English people are perfectly happy to chat with you,
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 19:30:49 GMT 1
This kind of petty minded jealousy sums the Welsh up quite nicely IMO. Nice stereotyping. I enjoyed (and agreed with!) the first post but some of the contributions from our resident racist and eejits like Neil leave you scratching your head.
|
|
|
Post by constantinople on Jun 3, 2010 19:48:26 GMT 1
Just out of interest, does anyone on this board speak Welsh fluently?
|
|
|
Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 3, 2010 20:21:04 GMT 1
What I can never understand is the folk you meet from Wales and Ireland who can be anti-English but follow an English football club. Not Welsh football, not Irish football, follow our football. Can't understand that myself, if they hate us so much etc etc etc... I'm half Welsh anyhows and so don't have a bad word to say about the folk or the country...
|
|
|
Post by Ned on Jun 3, 2010 20:41:34 GMT 1
Just got back from a few days in Abersytwyth.... lovely country is Wales You are welsh and ginga you just dont count That will have done your dignity the world of good.
|
|
|
Post by jaytee on Jun 3, 2010 20:46:47 GMT 1
Just out of interest, does anyone on this board speak Welsh fluently? No, I don't. (Taken from blackadder).
|
|
|
Post by jaytee on Jun 3, 2010 21:00:57 GMT 1
Being serious. I spend a lot of time on the Welsh coast when I can. Never had a problem. My Cousins are half Welsh and come to Shrewsbury games. Where I live, we all mix in and there's no trouble. I know in the North, there can be, a lot of it is from misunderstanding.
I remember on Red Passion, before they played us one season, some Wrexham fans called at a pub on the way to the game. The post went like this.
"We were a bit nervous going in, we weren't sure what reception we'd get. It was even worse when I saw Shrewsbury shirts everywhere. They gave us a great welcome, we had a great night, it completely changed my views of the English".
|
|
|
Post by siabod on Jun 3, 2010 22:38:33 GMT 1
I have done about 600 miles on North Wales roads since this thread started and still (as posted early in the thread) not seen 1 Welsh flag on a car. I did se them. Honest. Several since as well - maybe I'm just unlucky. Not doubting you oranjemob also realise your original post was - who would have thought the thread would have run for so long?
|
|
|
Post by Liam on Jun 4, 2010 0:53:29 GMT 1
It doesn't half make me laugh when people in Shrewsbury get jingoistically anti-Welsh. I'm not talking about a bit of banter, which is perfectly normal given where the town is and goes with the cross-border rivalry, but more about the people (and there are plenty) who get properly arsey about the suggestion that Shrewsbury is anything other than 100% pure-bred English and there's a kind of racial boundary somewhere near Oswestry.
The entire Town is flooded with Welsh surnames which means there's plenty of Welsh in the bloodline (as plenty of Salopians on here have already testified). The schools I attended had dozens and dozens of people with names like Bowen, Cadwallader, Jones, Prior, Evans, Llewellyn, Bowers, Price, Parry, Woosnam, Thomas, Jenkins, Williams, etc, etc, etc and that's just off the top of my head.
The accent, as the Shropshire Tenor says, sounds Welsh to many outsiders, probably because it has a big Welsh influence on it what with Shrewsbury being so near to the border and being home to so many people of Welsh descent.
If you're a born and bred Salopian, the chances are there's a fair bit of Welsh in you, so trying to make out like they're some pathetic, alien species is a bit rich.
|
|
|
Post by neilsalop on Jun 4, 2010 13:26:21 GMT 1
This kind of petty minded jealousy sums the Welsh up quite nicely IMO. Nice stereotyping. I enjoyed (and agreed with!) the first post but some of the contributions from our resident racist and eejits like Neil leave you scratching your head. The boards all about opinions (IMO/ IN MY OPINION) and my opinion is based on 2 years in Anglesey and my mum being Welsh and the way people would come into Shrewsbury from mid Wales shopping in the late '50s when she worked in a shop in town. Although she understood a little Welsh, she didn't speak it, having grown up on 'the right side of the border'. When you recognise enough to know that you're being slagged off, but can't prove it or do anything about it, it is frustrating, so much so that my mum hated going to work on market days, because all the hags would traipse over the border and make her life (and no doubt many others) uncomfortable. As for quoting 'petty minded jealousy', maybe you'd like to defend the Sons Scum of Glyndwr, as you seem to think that I'm wrong about them. As for stereotyping, I take as I find and as I said I made a lot of good friends at college in Anglesey, but for every good 'un there were several not so good.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 13:53:38 GMT 1
[ Nice stereotyping. I enjoyed (and agreed with!) the first post but some of the contributions from our resident racist and eejits like Neil leave you scratching your head. Thats simply not correct gareth, surely that should read "idiots"
|
|
|
Post by neilsalop on Jun 4, 2010 13:56:30 GMT 1
[ Nice stereotyping. I enjoyed (and agreed with!) the first post but some of the contributions from our resident racist and eejits like Neil leave you scratching your head. Thats simply not correct gareth, surely that should read "idiots" Nice of the district nurse to join in and add to the debate in a considered manner
|
|
|
Post by Fingers on Jun 4, 2010 16:11:50 GMT 1
It doesn't half make me laugh when people in Shrewsbury get jingoistically anti-Welsh. I'm not talking about a bit of banter, which is perfectly normal given where the town is and goes with the cross-border rivalry, but more about the people (and there are plenty) who get properly arsey about the suggestion that Shrewsbury is anything other than 100% pure-bred English and there's a kind of racial boundary somewhere near Oswestry. The entire Town is flooded with Welsh surnames which means there's plenty of Welsh in the bloodline (as plenty of Salopians on here have already testified). The schools I attended had dozens and dozens of people with names like Bowen, Cadwallader, Jones, Prior, Evans, Llewellyn, Bowers, Price, Parry, Woosnam, Thomas, Jenkins, Williams, etc, etc, etc and that's just off the top of my head. The accent, as the Shropshire Tenor says, sounds Welsh to many outsiders, probably because it has a big Welsh influence on it what with Shrewsbury being so near to the border and being home to so many people of Welsh descent. If you're a born and bred Salopian, the chances are there's a fair bit of Welsh in you, so trying to make out like they're some pathetic, alien species is a bit rich. Nail on the head. It should be something to embrace, what do people living on the border of Poland and Germany get up to - is there much resentment. Seems a strange scenario of being so close when living so far away. I'm a Williams and my heritage is Welsh however I was born and raised in Salop and thats what i see myself as - a Salopian before all else. I support both the prinicipality and the country and can happily switch allegiances as and when it suits
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 18:18:08 GMT 1
Nail on the head. It should be something to embrace, what do people living on the border of Poland and Germany get up to - is there much resentment. I'm no historian but think they've had a couple of fallings out. Neil, I won't be responding to you as your post is utter garbage.
|
|
|
Post by jaytee on Jun 4, 2010 18:22:30 GMT 1
Anyway, why have we decided to get a big stick and beat the Welsh? Here's Scottish Joke. McDai and McTaffy were walking in the mountains. They came across a ewe with her head stuck in a hole in a fence. "Hoots mon, isn't it", said McDai. "I'm going to take advantage of this. Keep a lookout McTaffy". McDai got down to business, and when he'd finished, he said to McTaffy, " do you want a go, boy bach". "I'd better not," said McTaffy, someone might come". "Och aye the noo", said McDai, "There's no one around for miles". "Alright,", said McTaffy, "but I'm not sure the hole is big enough for my head". I got a million of 'em.
|
|
|
Post by monkee on Jun 4, 2010 18:45:18 GMT 1
|
|