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Post by BigBadSagi on May 18, 2010 13:15:06 GMT 1
"No - Never, I would only buy Official STFC Mercendice"
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Post by SY3 on May 18, 2010 17:28:41 GMT 1
Yes i would definetely buy one. In fact i am already measuring my chest up.
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Post by gay on May 18, 2010 17:31:09 GMT 1
can u define the badge?
I'd term the badge seen on shirts from 1971 onwards until 1980 as 'loggerheads' - three heads and STFC stitched below -
only in 1992 did the 'shield' badge make an appearance and there were 2 versions of that - three heads in a shield with floret salopia underneath
for the retro shirt, i think the 70s one is more suitable
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Post by onthetrain92 on May 18, 2010 18:05:03 GMT 1
can u define the badge? I'd term the badge seen on shirts from 1971 onwards until 1980 as 'loggerheads' - three heads and STFC stitched below - only in 1992 did the 'shield' badge make an appearance and there were 2 versions of that - three heads in a shield with floret salopia underneath for the retro shirt, i think the 70s one is more suitable Totally agree there, I don't like the lionheads badge from 1997 to 2007. I don't mind the loggerheads shild stfc badge 1992 - 97, The shrew badge i was brought up with as a kid 1983-1992 so to be honest I actually like that badge. My favourite has to be the riverloop badge as i also have images of it being warn in my mind or others wearing or using stuff wioth the badge on. I'd go for the riverloop badge or 3 plain leopard loggerheads with stfc underneath. Surely one of these badges could have been adopted instead of clippy and copyrighted. Anyhow how did clippy get copywrited when surely microsoft own the image or even the lion tap pub on the wyle cop as that is the spitting image more so than the queen's spitting image lookalike!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2010 21:43:17 GMT 1
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Post by jaytee on May 18, 2010 21:52:30 GMT 1
The club are monitoring this thread. I would like to think a compromise could be reached before any decisions are taken. None of us wants to damage STFC. They must know the overwhelming feeling. It's not too late to sort this out.
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Post by monkee on May 18, 2010 22:17:03 GMT 1
The club are monitoring this thread. I would like to think a compromise could be reached before any decisions are taken. None of us wants to damage STFC. They must know the overwhelming feeling. It's not too late to sort this out. to be fair , 60 odd people are not going to overwhelm anyone. how is it likely to look if the club did a u-turn over 60 people on a messageboard with over 1000 members?
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Post by jaytee on May 18, 2010 22:24:13 GMT 1
The club are monitoring this thread. I would like to think a compromise could be reached before any decisions are taken. None of us wants to damage STFC. They must know the overwhelming feeling. It's not too late to sort this out. to be fair , 60 odd people are not going to overwhelm anyone. how is it likely to look if the club did a u-turn over 60 people on a messageboard with over 1000 members? O.K., let them carry on. I think a few of us know others who are unhappy to part with money for something they don't agree with. There is a good chance a loggerheads shirt will outsell the official version.
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Post by monkee on May 18, 2010 22:39:41 GMT 1
to be fair , 60 odd people are not going to overwhelm anyone. how is it likely to look if the club did a u-turn over 60 people on a messageboard with over 1000 members? O.K., let them carry on. I think a few of us know others who are unhappy to part with money for something they don't agree with. There is a good chance a loggerheads shirt will outsell the official version. not with those numbers. what i mean is, that nobody is going to listen to less than 100 people on this. 500 maybe, if this gets off the ground, maybe the number of shirts sold should be made public, then the club may be able to make a financial decision on it.
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Post by jaytee on May 18, 2010 22:54:51 GMT 1
I don't want the club to be damaged by this, but it's a pretty good cross section of feeling.
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Post by monkee on May 18, 2010 23:13:40 GMT 1
I don't want the club to be damaged by this, but it's a pretty good cross section of feeling. you know i love you and the last person i want to argue with on here is you, but it isnt even 10% of the b&a membership and a tiny proportion of the wider fanbase. I am playing devils advocate on this as i really dont care for the loggerheads or the current badge or any of the other badges we have had.
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Post by jaytee on May 18, 2010 23:32:01 GMT 1
I don't want the club to be damaged by this, but it's a pretty good cross section of feeling. you know i love you I'll just go and go and slip into something more comforable....anyway, We'll see. I won't buy the lion, I've said so. It means nowt to me.
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Post by monkee on May 18, 2010 23:46:51 GMT 1
I'll just go and go and slip into something more comforable..... a coma?
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Post by neilsalop on May 19, 2010 9:55:10 GMT 1
My missus works for a company doing their embroidery. I've already got a jacket with an 10'' x 7'' Loggerhead badge on the back and it would take her about 30 minutes to get it reduced to a size to fit onto a shirt. If someone on here can get something going regarding a Joma shirt I'll be willing to buy one, but if not I'll just get the missus to do a couple of tees, polos and maybe even a Joma shirt.
BTW Block 18 Shrew, it would be worth pricing up a few more companies as £4 a badge isn't cheap.
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Post by shrew4life on May 19, 2010 11:47:46 GMT 1
To save you spending your cash I think the best way to do is to compile a big list of everyone who wants one and then they can pay you the money first. Add a couple of extra quid onto the price though then that way the "profit" made will hopefully be enough to make a few more shirts to display and sell outside the ground and also hand out small leaflets with a picture of the shirt, the price and information on how to order one. Just an idea.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 19, 2010 11:58:24 GMT 1
to be fair , 60 odd people are not going to overwhelm anyone. Just a bunch of geeks on the internet Marcus. Hook, line, sinker.
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Post by monkee on May 19, 2010 12:28:54 GMT 1
to be fair , 60 odd people are not going to overwhelm anyone. Just a bunch of geeks on the internet Marcus. Hook, line, sinker. nope, didnt understand that one either dave. a private joke maybe? you know yourself that if you are going to change things to the way you want them, you need weight of numbers or at least the impression of numbers. a thread on a messageboard is just not going to do it, especially if it lists the amount of support in 2 figures. even the facebook group only has less than 10% of a match day attendance. I am surprised to see so many members of different supporters groups on there, you would have thought they would have got some sort of campaign going if they feel that strongly about it. my point is that it is all about numbers, nobody is going to listen to such a small group unless they get out there and get some support from the wider fanbase. Blue and amber is not the whole fanbase(can anyone give me a better name than that, i dont like the word "fanbase"), i think we are sometimes guilty of assuming that this site is.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 19, 2010 12:35:30 GMT 1
you know yourself that if you are going to change things to the way you want them, you need weight of numbers or at least the impression of numbers. a thread on a messageboard is just not going to do it, especially if it lists the amount of support in 2 figures. Nope, to make things the way we want them we evidently need to make them ourselves, just like the bar scarves, just like Shakey did with the Toffs shirt. People keep saying we are small in number and we don't represent everyone: show me a place where anyone has ever suggested that we do? And considering we are so small in number, so inconsequential, "just a bunch of geeks on the internet", then why do people within the club go through this site with a toothcomb and one by one pick off people it thinks are being critical? So anyway, all of this is an aside. You don't want a shirt because you don't like the loggerheads. Fair enough.
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Post by monkee on May 19, 2010 12:50:27 GMT 1
you know yourself that if you are going to change things to the way you want them, you need weight of numbers or at least the impression of numbers. a thread on a messageboard is just not going to do it, especially if it lists the amount of support in 2 figures. Nope, to make things the way we want them we evidently need to make them ourselves, just like the bar scarves, just like Shakey did with the Toffs shirt. People keep saying we are small in number and we don't represent everyone: show me a place where anyone has ever suggested that we do? And considering we are so small in number, so inconsequential, "just a bunch of geeks on the internet", then why do people within the club go through this site with a toothcomb and one by one pick off people it thinks are being critical? So anyway, all of this is an aside. You don't want a shirt because you don't like the loggerheads. Fair enough. you have mentioned the "just a bunch of geeks" line a few times now, was it something you think i said? i never said that you represent anyone other than your own views. the question was raised as to whether the club would listen and change things, it is my opinion, that if people want it changing back, you will need bigger numbers. do you really think that the club actually does go over every thread with a fine comb? they always look a little to busy when i am there(admittedly i only really deal with the media department), sure maybe people there do have a look, but a fine comb? bit dramatic imo. Who have they picked off? nobody has been banned from going to matches have they? The people running the fanzine had a little hassle recently but that was to do with the fanzine, not the mboard. oh and i dont like or dislike the loggerheads, or the lion, i am just not fussed. the only badge i didnt like was the shrew.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 19, 2010 14:35:16 GMT 1
you have mentioned the "just a bunch of geeks" line a few times now, was it something you think i said? No, I don't think it is something you said. But "it is just 60 people", it won't make any difference feels like it comes from the same underlying idea. If B&A is such a small percentage of the fanbase and so inconsequential then why are you even commenting on it? It doesn't matter. or maybe it does? In which case why do people make such a big fuss over stuff? Either it does not matter so is not worth the comment or it does matter so it is worth the comment. That is not aimed at you really: it is far beyond that, it is just your point on this thread raised the issue in my head. Sorry if you got caught in the crossfire of my thoughts.
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Post by nickjonesey on May 19, 2010 15:10:54 GMT 1
Looking at the numbers now, I make it that 88% of all respondents would buy the shirt with the loggerheads on.
The other 12% wouldn't.
If (and it is if) that was a true reflection across the fanbase then the club has a decision to make.
A 125 year tribute shirt with the latest (and one of the most contentious) badges on might just find its sales limited. Perhaps only 20% of supporters who could purchase one would buy this version. The poll above does not really investigate why the 'no's' wouldn't buy. Is it because they don't have the money or never buy them or fundamentally don't want to buy any unofficial merchandise? Would they buy the official version?
How about running a poll with the right options and actually providing some useful figures to the decision makers? Could you open the voting to guests and publicise it across other sites (Shrewschat/ shrewsTrust/ SuperBlues etc)?
As it is a one off, why not use one of the really old badges?
Anyone know what Arsenal did with their dark red one?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 19, 2010 15:23:40 GMT 1
Nick Set out the poll you would like and I will set it up in replace of this one... However its only ever going to be a B and A vote on here, unless someone starts one on Shrewschat, and then the Trust and Super blues members can vote on either...... However this all comes down to, who will sort this, organise this and run this.... I personally think the best way to do it is to get a limited 50 shirts done, which im 100% confident you could shift, and then let the news of the "traditional" 125th shirts build and then go for another run if required... As i said im just an ideas man
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Post by monkee on May 19, 2010 15:24:37 GMT 1
you have mentioned the "just a bunch of geeks" line a few times now, was it something you think i said? No, I don't think it is something you said. But "it is just 60 people", it won't make any difference feels like it comes from the same underlying idea. If B&A is such a small percentage of the fanbase and so inconsequential then why are you even commenting on it? It doesn't matter. or maybe it does? In which case why do people make such a big fuss over stuff? Either it does not matter so is not worth the comment or it does matter so it is worth the comment. I dont know the answers for other people but for me, most of what goes on this board is not that important in the grand scheme of life, but if people didnt comment on relatively unimportant things, the board would be a very quiet place. i wasnt trying to say, "haha, you are too small", i would have said that if thats what i wanted to say, i was trying to bring a bit of reality into the conversation. people dont seem to understand why the club wont change back and i was just giving an opinion of why, numbers. I wasnt making a fuss, merely expressing a view that if people want to change something, it takes more than the people already gathered and some more organization. i am not the sort of person that let people labour under an assumption that i think may be incorrect. Maybe i am wrong, i dont know what goes on at the club so maybe this and the facebook group will work. just because i am not fussed either way, i dont have a right to speak?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 19, 2010 15:36:22 GMT 1
just because i am not fussed either way, i dont have a right to speak? Of course you do. Welcome to B&A.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 19, 2010 15:38:04 GMT 1
Monkee
What if it was only 60 people that wanted it, and then it got sorted and those 60 people got what they wanted out of it and were happy with the shirt they have for next seasons 125 celebrations (much like the fans how brought the B and A tee shirt when we left the meadow and not the clubs stuff)
Whats the problem with that...
I would say there is a good chance of this happening at that scale at the least, and who knows where it goes from there, start of a recapturing of the loggerheads, and traditions of the club that they seem so happy to have ditched with little consultation and care???
Like you I dont have much of a right to speak on behalf of anyone, but I KNOW that at least 60 people would want it, and who knows they might get there wish?
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Post by monkee on May 19, 2010 15:51:53 GMT 1
Monkee What if it was only 60 people that wanted it, and then it got sorted and those 60 people got what they wanted out of it and were happy with the shirt they have for next seasons 125 celebrations (much like the fans how brought the B and A tee shirt when we left the meadow and not the clubs stuff) Whats the problem with that... I would say there is a good chance of this happening at that scale at the least, and who knows where it goes from there, start of a recapturing of the loggerheads, and traditions of the club that they seem so happy to have ditched with little consultation and care??? Like you I dont have much of a right to speak on behalf of anyone, but I KNOW that at least 60 people would want it, and who knows they might get there wish? there is no problem, people can wear what they like, i never said anything like that. I was adressing the point that was made about the club changing their mind, and what i think would be the best way of doing it. the club did show the badge to some supporters reps before the move, i was there. hardly massive consultation, but nobody said anything about it at the time.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 19, 2010 16:00:10 GMT 1
I remember that meeting, to be fair I was there, and some people did take on the clubs message of the copyright issue at the time, but it was one of a number of things discussed and even then some folks were non to pleased as I recall..
I dont think this is really about clippy Long term... its about next season...
Fact of the matter is a RETRO shirt with a Microsoft Lion on just does not cut it... At all...
The proposals to offer an alternative are attractive to me and a fair number of other people I would suggest...
It looks likely that this idea will now move forward to a fesabilty stage...
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Post by monkee on May 19, 2010 16:08:16 GMT 1
I remember that meeting, to be fair I was there, and some people did take on the clubs message of the copyright issue at the time, but it was one of a number of things discussed and even then some folks were non to pleased as I recall.. I dont think this is really about clippy Long term... its about next season... Fact of the matter is a RETRO shirt with a Microsoft Lion on just does not cut it... At all... The proposals to offer an alternative are attractive to me and a fair number of other people I would suggest... It looks likely that this idea will now move forward to a fesabilty stage... i remember it very differently, nobody was unhappy with the badge or the shirt at the time, i even remember one person saying it looked great although i wont name the person. The meeting wasnt really about that though and it was more of an aside.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 19, 2010 16:14:05 GMT 1
At that meeting no-one knew it was clipart.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 19, 2010 16:58:34 GMT 1
Possibly 60 people is not a market that the club would consider, but it is a decent market for an individual with entrepreneurial spirit to aim at.
Judging by the number of Toffs shirts I've seen at games I believe there is a good market for retro/loggerheads merchandise.
How many bar scarves/loggerheads badges have sgd/Stutty sold?
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