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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2004 11:13:06 GMT 1
The TUFC fans have had a shock in the past few weeks regarding the future of their football club. I know it's an exceptional case but in the past week alone their fans have raised £25,000 to the cause through TUISA their independent supporters club. Over the past 12 months the users of B&A have raised £1,000. I think it's been a superb effort but I do believe we are capable of much more over the next 12 months and 12 months after that. One idea that someone posted a while back which we never got off the ground was a 'bonus ball' draw. People pay so much to pick a number between 1 and 49 each week/ month and if their number is the bonus ball on that week's lottery then they win a cash prize. B&A is a vast pool of knowledge and experience, I'm sure there are many other ideas out there too... What are everyone's thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2004 11:16:02 GMT 1
I think we should be doing more, I think we could be doing it as a collective, and I think we should be doing it to buy a supporter's representative a place on the Executive Board.
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Post by PeteD on Apr 2, 2004 11:48:33 GMT 1
Ant whilst i agree with you all the way i feel i must add, we have raised our money for fun!!we have enjoyed doing it and there has been NO pressure, i'm sure that if we were in the same sort of situation the users of b&a and the supporters of STFC would dwarf 25,000, Not saying that we couldnt do more just that the situ is different BTW bonus ball idea
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Apr 2, 2004 12:01:57 GMT 1
Ideas have to be practical and workable.
Fundraising is a lot of hard effort as I will vouch for (and I'm sure Ant) only too well!
Something like the bonus ball (whilst a good idea) is more workable for a group of people all together in the same place. The practicality of collecting £1 a week off a group of people spread around the country is not easy.
There is a bonus ball club in our office and the person who collects it all spends a lot of time chasing people up even tho' she only collects it every 4 weeks.
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 2, 2004 12:04:39 GMT 1
maybe it's better to work with the club on the exisitng things they do?
there is a weekly lukcy seven draw which cost £1.
i will be putting something up about it on the site later.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2004 12:09:31 GMT 1
To a certain extent I agree Ian.
However, for the amount of money supporters put into the club, our representation in decision making is negligible at present.
We need a voice at board level, and one way of doing that is to fund raise collectively, and then get ourselves a seat on the board. The club still benefit as the revenue is pumped into the club, but the supporters get a return on their money as well.
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 2, 2004 12:14:27 GMT 1
We need a voice at board level, and one way of doing that is to fund raise collectively, and then get ourselves a seat on the board. The club still benefit as the revenue is pumped into the club, but the supporters get a return on their money as well. surely that's what the umbrella group are striving for? you can't expect b&a to a voice on the board and the osc, super blues etc not to have one?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2004 12:14:54 GMT 1
Aye Gareth.
If we were to help the club Ian, the money would just be going into the accounts.
By raising our own cash we can buy real things to show what we've achieved by doing so. It might be some training kit for the youth team etc. but it would be something we could see.
Thanks for the comments so far everyone...
I think the bonus ball idea could be done if people paid for a few weeks in advance rather than on a weekly basis which, as you say Wynnie, would be murder on the person collecting the cash.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2004 12:19:26 GMT 1
Not at all Ian - but the way I would see it would lead to an elected supporters representative getting a place on the board via a cash injection by the fans (I'll donate my shares for starters.....).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2004 12:23:33 GMT 1
I still think it says a lot that I posted a question about finances on this board and we weren't able to answer any of them between us.
They're on the way to 'ask the board' by the way..... ;D
I guess what I'm getting at is why Colin Poole and Mark Peters have so much more decision making power than the people who pay to keep the club going.......
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 2, 2004 12:35:27 GMT 1
ant, i'm not saying don't do it but saying for starts it may be easier to work within exisitng frameworks.
as wynnie says it always seems to come down to one person to organise and that's a lot of work
gareth, you can have my shares as well, but you have to check as i don't think they are voting shares..
colin has the decision making powers as that is the way board have organised things. mark is the same as me or chris etc, ideas go through colin first and if all are agreeable off we go..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2004 12:42:37 GMT 1
Well that's the first I knew about any of that, and also what are voting shares?
The sooner we understand how the hell our bloody club is actually run:
a) The less we might moan b) The more we can do to help c) The fairer the representation of the people who actually run the thing.........
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 2, 2004 12:49:05 GMT 1
I agree with most of the things stated on here
I believe that the umbrella group is the primary way we can influence STFC and I also think sometime soon we will need to be thinking about a supporters trust
I also think that B&A is well represented within the umbrella group and this is positive
I would suggest that any fundraising should be based around what we do anyway
so for example, I don't really gamble much, I don't know what happens in a bookies, I am not really interested in a cash draw.
But if we all went to the telepost before a match for a pint and I was charged £1 to B&A funds to get in I would pay it, without any cash prize
The problem the OSC with their fundraising is that it appears to be outside of the normal life of me as a footie fan here in Shrewsbury, so I don't support their events
In a similar way the challenge for B&A as I see it is to get people to do things they are already doing, and make them chip in a couple of quid for the priviledge
stuff like a pub quiz / bowling / golf day all work for this reason
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Apr 2, 2004 12:53:19 GMT 1
My concern at the moment is the security of the youth academy, especially if we don't achieve promotion this season.
The ASFC fundraising body has already put over £2,000 directly into STFC this season through match sponsorship, ball sponsorship and player kit sponsorship.
We have put money into the fertilisation of the training pitches and we have money aside to give to the youth academy at the seasons end.
I have one last fundraiser I want to embark on for this season, which will be an end of season disco and raffle at the Telepost (providing we can get a date). Raffle prizes to include a signed football and new away shirt.
Full details for above will be announced very soon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2004 13:17:25 GMT 1
I can see your point Whitters but by working inside the current framework we wouldn't, at the end of the day, see anything tangible for our efforts. The money would go straight into the pot.
Of course the argument is why should we work inside the club's barriers when Mr Peters is being paid a very good wage at the club's Marketing Manager?
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 2, 2004 13:28:05 GMT 1
Of course the argument is why should we work inside the club's barriers when Mr Peters is being paid a very good wage at the club's Marketing Manager? so why should anyone use shrewsweb, shrewsworld or buy the programme as i'm being paid by shrewsbury? the draw thing is doable but you'll need commited people to do it, payments can be set up regualrly by somthing like paypal but then you'd probably have to look at lottery legislation and see how covered you are, but never say never.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2004 13:31:47 GMT 1
so why should anyone use shrewsweb, shrewsworld or buy the programme as i'm being paid by shrewsbury? Because we like you and think you're good at your job........ ;D
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 2, 2004 13:43:25 GMT 1
Because we like you and think you're good at your job........ ;D shucks........ you going to cardiff tonight ? sfa and glc!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2004 13:49:43 GMT 1
Nope I'm off to Yorkshire for a week.
The GLC are absolutely awesome! Silver Shadow is excellent.
Haven't seen the Furries for quite a while now - their gig in Bangor was one of my all time faves.
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Post by MartinB on Apr 2, 2004 14:08:12 GMT 1
Ian, difference is we knew you were a Town fan before you were employed by the club.
Mr Peters has to win people over. To do that he needs to come up with a great idea that boosts revenue or has the potential to increase the fan base.
I don't see kids for 50p more than the Family Stand to be such an idea.
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Apr 2, 2004 21:22:55 GMT 1
See the thread I started about Jo and the calendar!! It started as a joke but, as Jamo2 says, a NICE calendar could be a good little earner- and it could be a Football season calender (running from pre-season, perhaps) any notable fixtures marked on it, maybe. We just need a good photographer and someone with artistic flair. Photographers we have, don't we?
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 2, 2004 21:37:05 GMT 1
I think we should be doing more, I think we could be doing it as a collective, and I think we should be doing it to buy a supporter's representative a place on the Executive Board. A supporters trust is a must soon for our fans, B & A and the rest, it will be the only way we will solve the rumours, worry's and have an actual say in how the club is run, I know the board have put a hell of a lot of money into the club, they are lucky as far as i'm concerned to have the income to be able to do just that. The fans do the same year after year without a say in anything. Perhaps at the end of the season we should really look into it?
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Post by evo16 on Apr 2, 2004 21:42:21 GMT 1
a couple of years ago you couldn't get into the ground for people selling stfc fanzines. there was 'a large scotch' and 'the mighty shrew', plus a couple more i can't remember. i for one definately bought every single one as did alot of other people. i would have no problems paying £1 - £2 every match day, or once a month, to read about fellow supporters views on the world inside stfc or even anything to do with football. it would be nice to read a programme that has no bias towards quinny or the board.
i don't know if this is possible due to printing costs, sellers and of course getting people to actually write in it. all the same i'm sure b&a posters could contribute towards articles and maybe a deal struck for printing.
well its an idea, im not sure if its any good, but its still an idea!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2004 21:48:23 GMT 1
Chris, disco raffle is great idea, but why telepost, why not players lounge, it is big enough and we support the town even more with bar proffits, as long as they bring the prices down to meet telepost.sure the club would go for that and prehaps get involved....
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 2, 2004 21:48:47 GMT 1
I am very reluctant to join in with fundraising without any direct benefit to the fans - I have posted several times before that despite large amounts of money raised by various supporters' groups there is no fan involvement in decision making.
Things like giving money to the academy are very worthy, but is the money enough to finance it? If not and the academy is closed that money has been wasted.
If we were raising cash for decent toilet facilities for example I would be more willing to open my wallet.
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