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Post by OldGit on Mar 24, 2004 19:37:33 GMT 1
Feck me I can't believe some of the sanctimonious sh!te some people are posting on the board "JQ and his staff to have their contracts terminated with immediate effect"!! Get real, wot the feck is that going to achieve?? First a huge financial loss in the form of compensation. Second a complete destabilisation of the club at an absolutely critical time. Third, a huge smack in the face for the Director and his board. Last, a massive dent in the fragile confidence of the lads. I am really p**sed off at the whingeing going on. We are in 6th place, with 2 /3 games in hand over our rivals. We have a real chance of the play-offs, and the club is financially solid. Yes, there are plenty of areas to improve - particularly on the pitch, but if I were Roland or JQ and got sight of the letters being suggested I'd send them back saying "Feck off to Chester". If you want to write - tell JQ you are worried, tell him of your concerns, give him your thoughts - but above all tell him you are 100% behind the team!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2004 19:42:40 GMT 1
We do support the team 100%, Thats why theres so much anguish on this MB. Also we can all see we are not making progress, call it dejavu if you like. "Games in hand" that quote needs to be banned I suggest you take your blinkers off
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 24, 2004 19:43:41 GMT 1
Its gone on for far to long arses need to be kicked
This time last year we were saying the exact same thing, get behind the team blah blah blah, the fans have given 100% , enoughs enough. Remember weve got games in hand thingy to like that worked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2004 19:43:58 GMT 1
"Get real, wot the feck is that going to achieve??"
People said that about Ratcliffe last season, it achieved relegation. Though to be fair, if another manager had come in we probably would have gone down anyhows.
"but if I were Roland or JQ and got sight of the letters being suggested I'd send them back saying "Feck off to Chester".
This sort of thing always makes me laugh. Judging by the poll on here, 80% want Quinn out. That makes 700 or so who are for him. Would you like to watch home games with crowds of that sort? I'm pretty sure RW doesn't and any chairman who would say such a thing would clearly be a tw~t (or very rich and not in need of the gate receipts).
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 24, 2004 19:44:15 GMT 1
Read the initial post and couldnt quite think o how I would like to reply without sounding sarcastic.
Foxie did it for me...cheers Rob...spot on!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 24, 2004 19:44:53 GMT 1
Gooooooooo on you old goat...
...have to agree about the letter lads and lasses, not much use if you ask me that...might just come back and slap you in the face an all...wouldn't put me name to owt like that and I don't think it'll do any good...
...time for your nap now old'un...calm you down a bit eh?
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Post by pawlo on Mar 24, 2004 19:47:49 GMT 1
B*ll*cks.
Lets get something straight. There is a hugh difference between " the team " and "the club". Teams come and go, players sign and leave. The club has been going for a long long time and deserves better than this bunch, who in my opinion are no longer worthy of the blue and amber colours that many of us have loved for so long.
Its an utter disgrace what the directors over the years have allowed to happen to us. They have sat idly by wringing their hands whilst we the fans have suffered watching our beloved club sink from a once proud team to the slops we see served up today.
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Post by Old Gits Cataracts on Mar 24, 2004 19:48:19 GMT 1
Get your eye sight checked Old Git. We saw what happened last year and lost the Fecking lot. Have we got to leave it to late this season aswell. Unless you do have cataracts, you must have seen the e we are turning out every week. If we want to moan and be sanctimonious, well thats our choice. Rant Over
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Post by OldGit on Mar 24, 2004 19:50:40 GMT 1
Foxie / JP I am surprised at the pair of you giving support for the type of letter being mooted. Having met and had good discussions with you both I would've expected a more considered approach. Telling the Board to dismiss JQ w.i.e is absolute b******s. Making the point you are disappointed / fed up - fine, none of us is delighted - but the tone of letter being proposed is completely counter-productive and destructive.
No blinkers on me Foxie - just blue and amber-tinted specs
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 24, 2004 19:58:09 GMT 1
Im sorry if after all these years of being kicked up the backside I have just said NO MORE, but thats the way it is. I am 100% behind the players, I dont moan during a game (if I do its to myself), but things have to change.
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Post by stockportershrew on Mar 24, 2004 20:01:54 GMT 1
OG just out interest what do you think the approach should be? How long should we wait? We could give him the rest of season which seems logical up to a point but what grounds for optimism do you ahve that things will improve? I can see none - the team is going backwards, the tactics and tinkering becoem more baffling by the week. Many of the faults with this side were identified by supporters as early as October/November time. Yet little has been done to address them and we have gone on papering over the cracks hoping that, it will at some distant point, in time get better. This is not a one off -were being served up dross time and time again and people have had enough.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 24, 2004 20:05:35 GMT 1
yet again anything other than naive support is suggested to be in some way disloyal
I don't want a duff club in a cack ground with a rubbish team, a clueless manager and a two year boom or bust strategy that is swinging to bust by the day
I don't want any of that because I love my football club
I am angry because the incompetence with which all of it is being run
demanding better is not lacking loyalty, it is caring for what we hold dear
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Post by ST1Shrew on Mar 24, 2004 20:07:16 GMT 1
Some of the comments can only be described as VERY kneejerk.
We are, as has been said, still in with a very good chance of the play-offs. It's a cliche I know, but once in the play-offs it is a lottery - of that there can be no doubt! There is EVERY possibility, as Doncaster showed last year, that the best team in the play-offs WON'T go up. We scramble a couple of results and we are once again one of the best 92 teams in the country!
JQ is undoubtedly suffering due to the incompetence of the previous regime - be it KR.
It's very harsh to judge a manager and his team after less than 3/4 of the season.
Gradi was manager of a poor Crewe team for years (and I mean years); Ferguson was one game and one lucky goal away from the sack; Brian Flynn Wrexham to the bottom of the league and years of mediocracy before taking them to the brink of division one.
the trouble is when do you know you have the right man in charge? Those chaps mentioned were given a long time to build a club - not just a team.
I don't have faith in Cooke or Bates - but would be willing to give JQ a little longer.
The board have, after their previous two appointments, got a lot to prove. If JQ isn't a success - STFC aren't a success - the board aren't a success. Surely they will have to carry the can and step aside?!
If we don't make it up this year we will need, as a club, shaking by the balls and then will be the time that I will join in with the headhunters on this board.
Until then, starting Saturday at Edgar Street, I will continue to get behind the players, the team and JQ 100 per cent!
Being booed and heckled from the stands DOESN'T make players play better. They start playing with fear, they don't want the ball, they begin to hide, the team spirit goes, they don't want to play for the team, they just try and make sure they do their job without making a mistake and that's it!
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Post by stockportershrew on Mar 24, 2004 20:13:35 GMT 1
Crewe supporters tolerated gradi because they had a long term strategy, tried to play decent football and because he was honest. Do we have nay of these? Sure Quinn is suffering from hangover of previous seasons but as ac lub we don't have the luxury of time anymore. We perhaps have one more season to have decent go at the championship before things start to get a lot tougher.
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Post by OldGit on Mar 24, 2004 20:14:55 GMT 1
Stockporter - thank you for a reasoned statement, it does you credit. I agree that we are not doing anything like as well as our potential, and that JQ is the easy target. But, if you look at the teamsheet, with the exception of left back (where Lee looks a good prospect) and the midfield (where we've given too much away in terms of space and possession), there's not many faces you'd change. In fact everyone has shown that they can play at div 3 level at least - just not consistently. JQ must be tearing his hair out. He's tried a few new formations, he's tried to give players a chance to perform, he's had some crucial injury / suspension problems to try to patch up and he's made a few mistakes. But actually I think he's been let down badly by his players; Howie was at fault for the 1st goal last night and not gtreat for the 2nd - you can't blame JQ for that. We missed at least 4 top quality chances - again. And that's the problem - we've underperformed awfully. Otherwise we'd all be happy. All I'm saying is dumping it all on JQ and his staff is wrong - and terribly badly timed. Every manager deserves more than a season to make things work - and he certainly deserves more than player like Cramb seem to want to part with at the moment.
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Post by graedw on Mar 24, 2004 20:17:59 GMT 1
old git, we were beaten last night by a part-time team, a team that would be steam rollered in the last 15mins, a team of part timers that showed more heart, commitment and skill than we have all season, if that is acceptable to you then so be it, but the board, quinn and sidekicks need to know enough is enough or how many more leagues will we drop into, unfortunately i am dyed in the wool blue and amber and would probably watch them in the doctor ryman jewson league thing, BUT I DON`T WANT TOO, i want commitment tactics leadership on the pitch not shirking, apathy and arguments
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Post by OldGit on Mar 24, 2004 20:21:10 GMT 1
graedw - spot on. Yes we were out-performed - what does that tell you about the team? How come they let the Shots call the shots? Its about effort, commitment and heart - I don't think JQ lacks those, but I do wonder about some of the players.
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Post by stockportershrew on Mar 24, 2004 20:21:55 GMT 1
Sure the players have to accept their share of the blame. I do wonder though whether they are quite as good as we think they are. Sure they've played league football but lets face it most conference sides are packed with ex-league players some of whom have played at decent level.
The buck stops with management the players seem baffled by JQ and his tactics.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2004 20:24:35 GMT 1
Crewe supporters tolerated gradi because they had a long term strategy, tried to play decent football and because he was honest. Do we have nay of these? Sure Quinn is suffering from hangover of previous seasons but as ac lub we don't have the luxury of time anymore. We perhaps have one more season to have decent go at the championship before things start to get a lot tougher. StockporterShrew that is absolutely right. Soon the funding stops and we're in the shít, we haven't got time to hang around. And oldgit - the manager brings the players and it's his responsibility to bring in the right players, form the right tactics and motivate them for the big games.
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Post by kickinpretty on Mar 24, 2004 20:39:53 GMT 1
A managers job is to manage his team so that they perform to the best of their abilities, if the team are failing then that is a direct responce to the way the team is being managed.
The best and only example that needs to be held aloft as the proof that Mr Quinn is failing is in the complete nosedive of Luke Rodgers form.
We all Know what the lad is capabale of on a consistant basis, yet he is going backwards as a player and i would lay the blame for this directly at the door of Mr Quinn, the fact that this is the case also has serious ramifications for his ability to manage the other players too.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 24, 2004 20:41:59 GMT 1
The manager is responsible for recruitment and selection of players, team building and motivation - these are the areas we are making no progress in.
I don't want to go over old ground, but the imbalances in the squad have been crying out for action for months.
JQ was supposed to know what it takes to succeed in the Conference. From what I've seen it requires a core of big, aggressive committed players, so why do we run out looking like the cast of Snow White and the 7 Persons of Restricted Growth?
Why is it that players who came to us with glowing references from fans of their previous clubs are looking like pub players?
I agree with the view that changing the manager every few months is counter productive, but when the evidence points to continued decline what are we supposed to do?
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 24, 2004 20:43:42 GMT 1
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