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Post by d00bie on Mar 22, 2004 20:20:12 GMT 1
Why do people feel we have to play with wingers? Is it because they are exciting to watch when they are in full flow? Imo the midfield four should be the best players for the job, which first and foremost entails that they win and distribute the ball better and more often than the opposing players. Sammy does a good job in midfield on the left side, his disciplinary record shows what a thorn in the side he is to the other team, (it could also show he's a bit of a prat) sometimes you gotta use your brain Sammy (if you have one) The other midfielders we have at the club are good enough to play anywhere in midfield, just because they aren't naturally left footed doesn't mean that they can't play on the left, i myself played for years at left back without having a decent left foot like Sedge, but compensated by having to sharpen my close game up quite a lot. Look at Steve Stone for Portsmouth, never a winger in a million years but very successful on the right for them, the key to his game ..... finding space and being an intelligent crosser of the ball. If you've ever played footy you can usually spot the good players by the amount of time and space they give themselves on the ball, Martin O'Connor is one of the few Town players that seem to be comfortable in doing this. Wining the ball when it's in the air, our attackers and midfield don't win anywhere near enough it can be very infuriating, we have strength and height but time and time again we fail in this area, another reason why 3 up front doesn't seem to work, too much congestion, trying to play the killer ball when the penalty area is so crowded is very difficult, the key is the midfield, they have to win and take the ball at the opposition at pace (defenders hate that) nearly as much as they hate the (quality) ball over the top. Well glad i got that off my chest BTW gpricey beware the crunching tackle from the man who "won't run can't run" that centre circle will be mine [glow=red,2,300]Oldie 0wn@g3[/glow]
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2004 20:48:22 GMT 1
Wingers are very useful for attacking play. They can provide crosses that confuse the opposition defence and bring an element of skill and invention to the midfield that generally pulls the opposition players out of position.
Town definately need to play with wingers.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 22, 2004 20:55:55 GMT 1
Wide men should have the ability to take on a defender beat them down the flank and produce a cross that gets behind the defense and create goal scoring opportunities, Sammy does this Ryan tries but it never happens , so the alternative is try and walk the ball into the net and force it down the centre of play
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2004 21:00:23 GMT 1
Wide men should have the ability to take on a defender beat them down the flank and produce a cross that gets behind the defense and create goal scoring opportunities, Sammy does this Ryan tries but it never happens , so the alternative is try and walk the ball into the net and force it down the centre of play How many goals has Aiston set up this season? I bet its fewer than how many Lowe has set up. And Lowe has scored 11, Aiston has 1. Lowe is playing out of position but is still creating more!
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 22, 2004 21:09:08 GMT 1
Aiston adds more creativity causing defenders to make mistakes thus creating chances for others , Ryan plays best when he comes on as a sub.
Ask yourself you have picked 10 men your last decision is Aiston or Lowe who would you pick.
My choice would be Aiston for the reasons i've said above , and the whole of the conference would indicate that Aiston is the best WINGER in the conference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2004 21:16:29 GMT 1
I'd go with Lowe. He can be awful to watch at times but he scores more and creates more than Aiston.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 22, 2004 21:24:25 GMT 1
I would dissagree Ryan creates LESS than Aiston , when Ryan comes on as sub he's great, give him 90 mins and he's shocking. Aiston would definately be given the nod ahead of Ryan, Aiston is a permanent threat for 90 mins .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2004 21:28:07 GMT 1
Lowe set up Darby for the 1st against Leigh and his cross produced the goal against Telford (that's as far back as my memory goes!). Maybe he would be better coming off the bench but he still sets up more goals than Aiston.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 22, 2004 21:37:44 GMT 1
You obviously did'nt go to S'boro away where Aiston ran the show redmile was skinned alive,Daggers away crap result salop MOM aiston for creativity and continued to try,Northwich home and away absolutely destroyed them on his own remember the bookings against players that tried to stop him , and home to woking by far the most creative player on the pitch it a sending off to stop him, thankfully the damage had already been done.
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Post by d00bie on Mar 22, 2004 21:39:41 GMT 1
Fact still remains that we haven't quite got enough quality in midfield to either win the ball, produce the right ball, or score goals (apart from Lowe)
I think part of the reason we aren't getting enough return from our forwards this season is the service from midfield isn't what it could be (am i being kind)?
I just don't understand why people are crying out for "wide men" and "wingers" when what we need are ball winners with a decent touch on the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2004 21:49:34 GMT 1
"remember the bookings against players that tried to stop him" Probably the same sort of total as the number of bookings he has managed this season (OK, he hasn't been booked as much this season). D00bie is right, we need midfielders that can provide some sort of service to the forwards. On the whole, the goal return from our midfield this season is terrible.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 22, 2004 21:52:42 GMT 1
Lets not lose sight here at the club we have 2 wingers Aiston & Lowe(now fitz is @fgr), Aiston has more effect than Lowe, Aiston creates more , Lowe is great when introduced as a sub, if we don't use these 2 then lets put the ball down the middle or hit aimless balls up front where the knock downs are collected by the opposition, we need wide men perhaps our new lad from Man u can add an extra dimension like Potter did.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 22, 2004 21:55:56 GMT 1
You make an intresting case doobie but im not convinced With a player like Darby crosses are vital if we were to start winning game by a few goals. And i also belive that when we play we look better (personal opinian) I also agree that the left and right wide men dont have to be wingers but if we are bringing some one new in they mights as well be Ps doobie - i await you domination of the Center of the pitch - i play up fron so im guessing we may well come across each other when the game goes ahead!!!!
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 22, 2004 22:01:17 GMT 1
Players whose natural instinct is to play wide and run for the corner flag are need to give width and get behind a defence, it's easier to defend against play coming throught the middle all the time.
It would be nice to have more creativity in midfield, but you don't see many creative mids at this level, or higher for that matter.
One point about Sam that is overlooked is the outlet he gives the defence. When he gets the ball he usually holds it for a while, makes ground and sucks in defenders. Watch for how often the ball comes straight back when he is not playing
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 22, 2004 22:07:46 GMT 1
One point about Sam that is overlooked is the outlet he gives the defence. When he gets the ball he usually holds it for a while, makes ground and sucks in defenders. Watch for how often the ball comes straight back when he is not playing I'm glad others realise this as well, the sooner he returns the better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2004 22:24:44 GMT 1
I wouldn't disagree. You posed the question 'would I rather Lowe or Aiston?'. As it goes, I would have both in the team with O'Conner and (a fit) Tolley in the middle.
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Post by Mr T on Mar 23, 2004 15:31:45 GMT 1
I'm always surprised that we have to play with either 2 wingers or none. Why couldn't we just try playing with 1 winger (Sam) and 3 central midfielders, rather than playing someone out of position? Sam could always swap wings if necessary and Moss gets forward loads on the right anyway. Just seems daft that its either 2 or 0.
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Post by BringBackAuzzie on Mar 23, 2004 15:42:09 GMT 1
Tren are you reccommending sam gets a free role? I think sam is the most dangerous attacking player we have at the club. Whenever he has the ball at least two defenders get sucked to him, freein up space for other players to get into positions to set up or score a goal. He is the only player at the club who can get to the touchline and attempt a cross (IMO his crossing had been getting better before his injury.) Also he doesn't shy away from his defensive dutys and gives the midfiels a bit of bite. (in terms of battling qualities I think O'Connor and Tolley are sheep in wolves clothing.) The fact that anyone says they would prefer Lowe to Aiston on the wings is bizarre!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2004 16:55:52 GMT 1
"The fact that anyone says they would prefer Lowe to Aiston on the wings is bizarre!!"
Lowe 11 goals, numerous crosses resulting in goals. Aiston 1 goal, don't know how many crosses have resulted in goals? As i've already said, i'd play BOTH.
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Post by SurreyShrew on Mar 23, 2004 17:33:11 GMT 1
I think the fact that both Aiston and Lowe are inconsistent is the crux of the matter.
Aiston possibly has (or had) more potential, and there are games in which he can be outstanding, but for a player of his ability he really should have scored more than 1 goal. You'd have to take Lowe because of this.
You must have midfielders who score. Just look at the premiership. The best teams, Arsenal, Man U, have this and whereas teams like Southampton and Birmingham leave it all up to the strikers.
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Post by Mr T on Mar 23, 2004 17:58:47 GMT 1
I'm saying if we haven't got anyone capable of playing on the right wing then just play sam on the left and have 3 central midfielders. Not so much of a free role as he does well on the left wing anyway but if he isn't having the best of games on the left you could always swap him over to the right to terrorise a different full back.
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