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Post by GeorgieBlue on Jul 1, 2008 22:02:10 GMT 1
When you attend this year's hush, hush meeting on Thursday can one or two of you please be brave enough to stand up and say that the Prostar kit is awful - if indeed it is (hopefully they have come up with a decent design and a good use of our amber), as we don't want a repeat of last years fiasco.
Can someone also question the pricing policy for the pre-season friendlies as some West Brom fans have pointed out that you can watch them at other grounds for as little as six pounds?
I understand that a total smoking ban will be under discussion, will private functions and diners in the restaurant etc also be expected to walk out of the gates before lighting up?
If Mr Harris could provide stubbers like virtually every other club has done,there would be considerably less rubbish dropped.
At times the buy-a-brick areas have resembled ashtrays but the way that some of these bricks have already started to show excessive wear we wont be able to read them by this time next year let alone after ten years as advertised.
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Post by scooter on Jul 1, 2008 22:09:28 GMT 1
I am obviously not one of the chosen few
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2008 0:03:09 GMT 1
Just to clarify, a bunch of fans reps are getting an update from the chairman, John Harris and Rob Bickerton a week on Thursday.
Nothing hush hush about it, and I'll report back as per usual either that evening or the morning after.
I'll do my best to raise those points.
Cheers
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jul 2, 2008 7:34:17 GMT 1
And exactly who are the fans representing ? Come to think of it who chose the chosen few was it the chosen one who himself started the Clique oh so many years ago ? In essence I think its a good idea and would be an even better idea if all fans get the opportunity to submit questions. Whilst I appreciate you couldn't address each and every question the major and most re-occurring ones could be addressed and reported on. Will any announcement be made about Mr Stevenson at that meeting ? And I'm a little concerned about book balancing and all that, now it is obvious the money recently spent was not from Joe Harts fees are we sure they balance ? I look forward to seeing some minutes/notes etc
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2008 8:26:14 GMT 1
Just to clarify, a bunch of fans reps are getting an update from the chairman, John Harris and Rob Bickerton a week on Thursday. Nothing hush hush about it, and I'll report back as per usual either that evening or the morning after. I'll do my best to raise those points. Cheers Fans reps from what our kid? Who are they representing? Supporters organisations?
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Post by jamo on Jul 2, 2008 8:30:37 GMT 1
I get so confused about these collective names.
Is it a clique or a chosen few ?
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Post by ianwhit on Jul 2, 2008 8:44:04 GMT 1
I get so confused about these collective names. Is it a clique or a chosen few ? you must me gettting confused as you were one of those invited. it's pretty much a continuation of the meeting the club has had with the heads of the supporters groups over the years, osc, super blues, trust, b&a, asfc etc.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 2, 2008 9:04:37 GMT 1
From what I can tell from the invite it involves people from Super Blues, Official Supporters Club, Supporters Trust, Blue and Amber Fanzine, Away Supporters Club & Away Supporters Football Team.
I can't go unfortunately.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2008 9:11:03 GMT 1
With that in mind do you think (talking to all fellow B&A users here) that we need to put together an 'official' B&A Supporters Group? So we could at least try and get a representative invited to these meetings? I think this is something we should maybe look to as I'm (and I'm sure I'm not alone) am completely in the dark about these meetings...
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 2, 2008 9:17:34 GMT 1
With that in mind do you think (talking to all fellow B&A users here) that we need to put together an 'official' B&A Supporters Group? So we could at least try and get a representative invited to these meetings? I think this is something we should maybe look to as I'm (and I'm sure I'm not alone) am completely in the dark about these meetings... Something we have discussed many times and it has positives and negatives. Most people on B&A are affiliated to one or more of the above, so they are represented as such. I think the issue is communication before and after any meeting, rather than who is actually there at the time. The "ask the board" feature on shrewsweb seems to have died a death because there were not enough questions or there were not questions the club could / were willing to publicly answer. I personally think the best thing people could do would be to join the Supporters Trust and then contact their reps going to the meeting and ask them to represent your views / ideas. I am unconvinced we need another formalised group. The whole point of B&A is that it is an informal talking shop. If there were members or non members of some B&A group on here we would be accused of being a clique even more.
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Post by ianwhit on Jul 2, 2008 9:18:16 GMT 1
B&A have always been represented? Ant, Dave, Gareth, Glyn and even Jamo at the last one.
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Post by jamo on Jul 2, 2008 9:25:20 GMT 1
you must me gettting confused as you were one of those invited.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 2, 2008 9:25:41 GMT 1
B&A have always been represented? Ant, Dave, Gareth, Glyn and even Jamo at the last one. Ian i asked a question on Shrewschat about the kits being changed in the Summer, you said you would "ask upstairs" Answer?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2008 9:27:01 GMT 1
B&A have always been represented? Ant, Dave, Gareth, Glyn and even Jamo at the last one. Not sure that's really the case though Ian, if B&A are represented then how come we (B&A users) didn't know anything about the meeting until someone posted something here today (I gather not from the club or the B&A representatives)? If someone is there representing us then we need to know when meetings like this occur and what's going to be discussed. I suspect we don't because B&A isn't really seen as an official club? If it were the case then we should at least get an idea as to the agenda, what's to be discussed so that we can put any questions, concerns etc to the lads and lasses representing B&A? I don't think it works like that does it or? By the by, fair points TBH.
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Post by jamo on Jul 2, 2008 9:39:34 GMT 1
and even Jamo at the last one.
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Post by monkee on Jul 2, 2008 9:51:46 GMT 1
With that in mind do you think (talking to all fellow B&A users here) that we need to put together an 'official' B&A Supporters Group? So we could at least try and get a representative invited to these meetings? I think this is something we should maybe look to as I'm (and I'm sure I'm not alone) am completely in the dark about these meetings... Something we have discussed many times and it has positives and negatives. Most people on B&A are affiliated to one or more of the above, so they are represented as such. I think the issue is communication before and after any meeting, rather than who is actually there at the time. The "ask the board" feature on shrewsweb seems to have died a death because there were not enough questions or there were not questions the club could / were willing to publicly answer. I personally think the best thing people could do would be to join the Supporters Trust and then contact their reps going to the meeting and ask them to represent your views / ideas. I am unconvinced we need another formalised group. The whole point of B&A is that it is an informal talking shop. If there were members or non members of some B&A group on here we would be accused of being a clique even more. thanks Dave, the trust is a clique that everyone can join and its only 10 pounds a year. We are always looking for people to get involved in this sort of thing. If anyone is interested in taking their support a level further (couple of hours a month) in this direction. Link------> click here to join any questions , just pm me
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Post by ianwhit on Jul 2, 2008 10:33:26 GMT 1
Not sure that's really the case though Ian, if B&A are represented then how come we (B&A users) didn't know anything about the meeting until someone posted something here today (I gather not from the club or the B&A representatives)? . the meetings have never been a q&a type meeting. its a chance for the club to speak to fans about what is going on, then to have feedback and to get an understanding and idea of the thoughts of the fanbase as a whole. it always amazes me that people get so worked up about these meetings! to me it seems a great way for the chairman and board to get an overall idea of the thoughts and feelings of the fans.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 2, 2008 10:56:56 GMT 1
I should be there now by the way whits... just so you cater that 5 course meal we all get for another person The last meeting we went to with the commersial team was very positive, and im looking forward to the feedback from that, to see where the club are heading... And to be honest, the right questions and points do get asked in these meetings...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2008 11:59:02 GMT 1
Not sure that's really the case though Ian, if B&A are represented then how come we (B&A users) didn't know anything about the meeting until someone posted something here today (I gather not from the club or the B&A representatives)? . the meetings have never been a q&a type meeting. its a chance for the club to speak to fans about what is going on, then to have feedback and to get an understanding and idea of the thoughts of the fanbase as a whole. it always amazes me that people get so worked up about these meetings! to me it seems a great way for the chairman and board to get an overall idea of the thoughts and feelings of the fans. ...and idea of the thoughts of the fanbase as a whole? How do they expect to do that considering only a few fans are present and no one else knows whats being discussed? Its not the fanbase as a whole is it, far from it surely? Take the new badge, case in point. Did the club really get an idea as to what a fair few supporters think about the new badge? Clearly not... I think I read here previous that no one said owt against the new badge when they saw it in a past meeting. Clearly loads of fans dont like it. So how can those present give feedback for us all if they saw nothing wrong in the new badge or didnt express a dislike about it? Granted I can understand what the club are doing but when you look as to whats happened previous it doesnt seem to work in this format... If its not Q&A then why dont thay just inform us all what they are doing through the website? If they do want feedback then maybe it would be good of them to tell us what they are going to dicuss so us fans (all of us) can get a message to them through folk attending the meeting?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2008 12:21:49 GMT 1
B&A have always been represented? Ant, Dave, Gareth, Glyn and even Jamo at the last one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2008 12:24:46 GMT 1
Take the new badge, case in point. Did the club really get an idea as to what a fair few supporters think about the new badge? Clearly not... I think I read here previous that no one said owt against the new badge when they saw it in a past meeting. Clearly loads of fans dont like it. So how can those present give feedback for us all if they saw nothing wrong in the new badge or didnt express a dislike about it? That's not true. The fans present were told that the decision was set in stone and that nothing could be done to change the design. I'm sure the club are aware of the majority of fans' dissapointments with the badge as a result of people's thoughts on here, other forums, and the letters that people have surely written given their feelings on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2008 12:28:14 GMT 1
There was no consultation on the badge as AT said, and it's not on their radar to change it.
I don't even believe the club official who commissioned the badge liked it.
But Roland did.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2008 12:28:44 GMT 1
Take the new badge, case in point. Did the club really get an idea as to what a fair few supporters think about the new badge? Clearly not... I think I read here previous that no one said owt against the new badge when they saw it in a past meeting. Clearly loads of fans dont like it. So how can those present give feedback for us all if they saw nothing wrong in the new badge or didnt express a dislike about it? That's not true. The fans present were told that the decision was set in stone and that nothing could be done to change the design. I'm sure the club are aware of the majority of fans' dissapointments with the badge as a result of people's thoughts on here, other forums, and the letters that people have surely written given their feelings on the subject. Righto. Begs the question why they showed it to the supporters at the meeting then...
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 2, 2008 12:28:52 GMT 1
Agreed with Ant, thats what i recall, the Badge was changed with no consultation, and only opinian was saught, but nothing would change it.. (rightly or wrongly), at the time the of that meeting the club set out what was a sensible case for product registration and copyright to the fans present, some accepted it, some did not, and a day later it went public....
I also remember sir Chris Wynne having a good moan about it in front of the chairman, as did a couple of others if i recall... So not like the feeling of fans were not represetned at that particualr chat (however the badge was one of lots of things discussed at that one)
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Post by ianwhit on Jul 2, 2008 12:28:55 GMT 1
dave, i don't really understand you sometimes..you seem to think that the club should be some utopian state where every little part of the workings should be dicussed and out in the open?
the badge was explained at the time of it's released, if you look back the reasoning behind it is all there, you might not agree with it but it was explained.
there are so many ways that fans can give feedback to the club and get answers, you can email rob direct for one, questions on shrewschat will get answers when those answers are available.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 2, 2008 12:29:56 GMT 1
That's not true. The fans present were told that the decision was set in stone and that nothing could be done to change the design. I'm sure the club are aware of the majority of fans' dissapointments with the badge as a result of people's thoughts on here, other forums, and the letters that people have surely written given their feelings on the subject. Righto. Begs the question why they showed it to the supporters at the meeting then... Just to test the water Stutty, get an inital feed back, as i said it was not the focus of the meeting, the kit was to be honest, but they wanted to show the final thing.... intial feed back was much as feed back is now, positive and negative...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2008 12:32:05 GMT 1
Yeh, I liked the kit on first see - I even tried on the sample the chairman had with him and thought the material quality was excellent, and I stand by that. What we didn't see at the time was the quality of the badge and sponsors' logo which, in hindsight, it would have been important to see, because we all know the final finish was rubbish.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2008 12:42:31 GMT 1
dave, i don't really understand you sometimes..you seem to think that the club should be some utopian state where every little part of the workings should be dicussed and out in the open? the badge was explained at the time of it's released, if you look back the reasoning behind it is all there, you might not agree with it but it was explained. there are so many ways that fans can give feedback to the club and get answers, you can email rob direct for one, questions on shrewschat will get answers when those answers are available. Don't really understand that Ian. ...every little part of the workings should be discussed and out in the open? If the club are meeting with supporters then they are looking to do so yeah? This is what we are discussing, the club looking for dialogue with us the supporters. I'm only referring to topics that the club have come together with supporters to discuss (which are those which have been discussed in these meetings...not every little part of the workings). So not really sure what you mean by that. The people at that meeting are a few supporters who have been asked to attend. How do they represent the fanbase as a whole (your words) when they have had no chance whatsoever to ask us opinions on the topics to be discussed? Did anyone in that meeting know a new badge was to be announced so that they could gage the opinion of the vast majority of supporters? I just think this is a very good example. How can we (the supporters) expect the people who are attending these meetings (who are suppose to be representing us) know our opinion on certain topics when we don't even know what is to be discussed? And I wrote many an email to club about it and not absolutely nothing back from them, not even an acknowledgement that my email had been received. Just out of interest, if I join the official supporters club do they get an idea as to whats being discussed? I'm trying to understand the aim of these meetings because looking at the above I'm getting conflicting ideas as to what its about...
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 2, 2008 12:47:33 GMT 1
dave, i don't really understand you sometimes..you seem to think that the club should be some utopian state where every little part of the workings should be dicussed and out in the open? the badge was explained at the time of it's released, if you look back the reasoning behind it is all there, you might not agree with it but it was explained. there are so many ways that fans can give feedback to the club and get answers, you can email rob direct for one, questions on shrewschat will get answers when those answers are available. Don't really understand that Ian. ...every little part of the workings should be discussed and out in the open? If the club are meeting with supporters then they are looking to do so yeah? This is what we are discussing, the club looking for dialogue with us the supporters. I'm only referring to topics that the club have come together with supporters to discuss (which are those which have been discussed in these meetings...not every little part of the workings). So not really sure what you mean by that. The people at that meeting are a few supporters who have been asked to attend. How do they represent the fanbase as a whole (your words) when they have had no chance whatsoever to ask us opinions on the topics to be discussed? Did anyone in that meeting know a new badge was to be announced so that they could gage the opinion of the vast majority of supporters? I just think this is a very good example. How can we (the supporters) expect the people who are attending these meetings (who are suppose to be representing us) know our opinion on certain topics when we don't even know what is to be discussed? And I wrote many an email to club about it and not absolutely nothing back from them, not even an acknowledgement that my email had been received. Just out of interest, if I join the official supporters club do they get an idea as to whats being discussed? I'm trying to understand the aim of these meetings because looking at the above I'm getting conflicting ideas as to what its about... Spot on.
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