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Post by stockportershrew on Jan 21, 2004 11:43:45 GMT 1
Excellent post Gareth.
Matt you came on here last year and had a go at the fans then. Why do constantly have a go at the fans? Yes we moan but blimey we've been given plenty of ammunition. Just remind yourselves about what davefromalty posted a couple weeks back (I'm paraphrasing here) "the fans have been crying out for a bit of success for the last 15 years... the club ought to be down on there knees to thank us"
As for the fans not doing anything absolute tosh as Gareth has pointed out. For a start most of us on here are handing over hundreds of pounds each year to the club with very little in return but we keep doing it because we love the club just as much you do matt.
Sorry matt but your post is one of the most annoying I've seen in a long while.
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Post by gregtheshrew on Jan 21, 2004 11:46:25 GMT 1
It would appear this post divides the fans more than Mr Jemson used too.
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Post by True_Shrew on Jan 21, 2004 12:54:20 GMT 1
Your avin' a laugh Matt, wtf gives YOU the right to have a pop at fans of this club? Just because some fans are not as prominant as other does not mean that their not doing there bit, get off your horse and open your eyes a bit wider Matt.
It's a shame that you posted such nonsense really because some of your post was thought provoking and sensible, but you've just shot yourself in the foot BIG TIME.
Plimmer, Whitters, the B&A boy's (the list is endless) do a fantastic job of helping this club out but they don't have shout to the roof tops what a great supporters they are- it's called dignity and I seriously suggest that you should get some.
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 21, 2004 19:41:56 GMT 1
"Everyone on here is part of a group, a community. Ok we know each otherwell and slag people off but how many off us has made the difference, supported the cause..?"
Well I think the way season ticket sales. away followings and home attendances is a good indicator.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 21, 2004 21:04:49 GMT 1
There seems to be an assumption that because people complain on the message board they do not support the activities of the club - this is rubbish as other posters have elequently demonstrated.
What is an unofficial board for? I think it's for fans to get things off their chests and to debate with other like minded people. (it also provides light relief, but that's another subject).
If I am posting on something I take seriously then I will try to do so in a way that will provoke other people to take notice and respond. That means that opinions will be more strongly stated than they would be in the ebb and flow of normal conversation.
The thing that has really upset people recently is the managers' comments about patience. This shows both a lack of respect for the fans and knowledge of our recent history and I think we are right to raise a stink about it.
I've often written that a club needs stability, in fact I was writing that last February in defence of KR! This means that I am now very sensitive about keeping quiet when things appear to be going wrong.
But, like the rest of you I continue to turn up a games, cheer on the team, buy the programme and Golden Gamble tickets and spend money in the shop. (I also remember donating my pocket money to the floodlight fund about 50 years ago, so you've a long way to go young Mr Ashton!)
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 21, 2004 21:25:07 GMT 1
Surely Matt's original post was the result of consuming some mind-altering substances? It made slightly more sense than a Jim Morrison poem. What I was waiting for last night was his contribution to the Chic Bates thread - sadly it never happened. Matt put his money where his not inconsiderable mouth is with Meadow Memories. Good work. Bit like Simon with the TOFFS shirt. Although I am still waiting for a DVD version. However there were too many nods and winks on some of his posts during the summer which left people who were not in some sort of a loop scratching their heads. I particularly remember the warning shot across the bows in May about not criticising the board and then the ballistic "Weak, weak, weak" post when Chic Bates was brought back. Good posts from Gareth, Stutty and Dave Alty. There's no reason to be mawkish. As long as people want to play football and others want to pay to watch football there will be a Shrewsbury Town Football Club. Our opponents on Saturday prove that.
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Post by texmexshrew on Jan 22, 2004 2:46:37 GMT 1
The only thing missing from Matts original post was the normal rhetoric we endure along the lines of: "I've watched/photographed football in every continent, in 80countries on the planet. I know Sepp Blatter, Steve Perryman; Have watched countless Premiership games/teams in training" blah blah bloody blah. Sorry but that BS doesnt qualify your opinions any more than mine, Ants, Bally or my wifes. We all have different Ideas about how the game should be played, our club run etc and most of us respect others opinions. We dont attempt to belittle each other.
"None of you care do you..? "
Thats BS and you know it.
"What is the fan of 2004 doing..? nothing."
Nothing? are you sure? Not enough maybe. Only now are fans finding a voice and a welcoming ear within the club. That combination itself can hopefully forge a great bond and togetherness between Club and fans, and hopefully drive the club on to success both on & off the field/
"We are a conference club because we have been run like a conference outfit for years. We have a shabby stadium."
Not sure where you were going with this. Maybe its a statement which should be aimed at the Board?
I agree with Stuttys sentiments almost entirely. (though that doesnt make them right!!!) Just happen to think that his post contains the most sense on this thread.
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Post by Mrs Mopp on Jan 22, 2004 3:55:39 GMT 1
Just by reading the posts you can tell which two posters are whitters drinking buddies, whitters can give criticism but not take it, the toys come flying out of the pram. BUT just like us they are town fans, but what do they do for the club that most of the users on here wouldn't do? Many on here could and would do Shrews web for nothing without yapping on about being 88 grand out of pocket and as for taking pictures who needs a pro? there are two users on here, pilch for one and the other... name escapes me at the moment who are never without a camera, I am sure they would love to help out. Matt will you be asking Shrews web to remove your photos anytime soon? Then there is the umbrella groups, Matt, Wrighty are you on it? Where can I find out? A general question to those on here excluding whitters When did you all last pay to watch town play at home? If the answer is Saturday then you do really care. If not then you are probably like one of those irritating commentators that say "that was worth the admission fee alone" how do you they know that? After reading Sean’s post I chased up this Chic Bates thread and its funny that a lot of guests have posted, has someone got it in for Chic but are too scared to use their own name? I mean why would a guest suddenly bring it up. whitters ? Matt? wrighty ? A player even? If it is someone we know I think the admin on here should reveal who it is, I really hope it isn't but would love to know especially if it turns out to be a hypocrite. I am always wary when a guest starts a thread about a player, they usually turn out to be wind up by why oh why start one about Chic ? come on if you know something come out with it and say who you are.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Jan 22, 2004 3:57:36 GMT 1
Look... The responses to my initial out cry have been fantastic.
I do admit to provoking thought and comments and adore reading peoples feelings about a club that is quite frankly my life.
The basis of my post was that when I kind of joined up with Ian, that the vibe we had was amazing and it was so much fun and indeed cool when we used to post on the origioinal mailing list.. that Im the guy with whitters in a pub some where and whitters in the guy with the norwegian coat.
We used to meet so many incredible fans and despite out league status, the energy and vibe brought home what shrewsbury town meant to me.
What I meant in the post was that over the past 9-10 years the ineternet has moved on and that now-a-days there are many people logging on to blue and amber that dont realise the effort me and ian put in to the old ShrewsWeb.
It really saddened me that people were slagging off Ian in a way when in the past he was the orchestrator of the origional internet front for shrewsbury town.
OK I havemy own job and do a lot for the club unpaid and I never do things for the glory of doing things but it really frustrated me when users of this marvellous site were having a dig at Ian.
Everyone has their own feelings about the club I love. But I was just making the point to the older users of the internet that.. why have we resorted to what we are doing now and having a go at Ian when quite frankly he doesnt deserve any of the abuse he was receiving.
id do ANYTHING for ant and I did out of my own time and good will the pictures to promote the blue and amber t-shirts which my amazing friends kelly and jo.
Im not going on but one of the contracts I have is with Charlton and I know what the fans did for that club that over a period of time has become very dear to me.
I get angry when only the same people seem to be doing something extra for the club when every fan could find extra time to do something more positive for STFC.
Stuttgarter.. I Know I dont always feel the same about what you post but you are dead right.
Im just like be positive and support the club. in the past the fans did so much for STFC especially in the 60s. I just want to make the point that its easy to critisise but it takes a special person to do something extra special.
Plimmer.. you deserve an OBE..and i just prey that others would do something in their own way and make STFC a force in this town which I personally feel is lacking.
Im not and would never crisitise ANY fan paying their money to watch STFC. Every fan has their own lives and commitments, however at this time in 2004 the likes of Plimmer need YOU the FAN to go that extra mile and do something positive.
I know I had an amazing relationship with Kevin Ratcliffe and feel very frustraed in knowing what went on and Im sorry if I anger people on my beliefs. Kevin is an amazing person and I shall never publically give reasons on why we went down but we did.
Lets move on. The Gay Meadow is a dying ground. We NEED a new stadium. Im not knocking ANYBODY but sincerely feel we need to make an extra effort to move to a new ground.
Im a very positive person inside. I get angered and frustrated like ANY fan. Im not questioning ANYBODYS loyalty, but just commenting, WE are the people and the people need to make things happen.
Hopefully NO-ONE will critisise me for saying this. I just want everyone to step up a gear and do something positive instead of lambasting poor Ian Whitfield when he now has a dream job and people are critising him when really he is banging his head against a brick wall.
Forza Shrews. My best friends are STFC fans. You are all extreanly special. But look at what is happening to our club. Lets make this new stadium happen. The people of Charlton did. Why cant the people of Shrewsbury do the same.
Thats all Im saying. Im sorry for p**sing people off but some things have got to be said.
Matt
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2004 9:43:05 GMT 1
Just by reading the posts you can tell which two posters are whitters drinking buddies, whitters can give criticism but not take it, the toys come flying out of the pram. BUT just like us they are town fans, but what do they do for the club that most of the users on here wouldn't do? I am sure they would love to help out. Matt will you be asking Shrews web to remove your photos anytime soon? Then there is the umbrella groups, Matt, Wrighty are you on it? Where can I find out? A general question to those on here excluding whitters When did you all last pay to watch town play at home? If the answer is Saturday then you do really care. If not then you are probably like one of those irritating commentators that say "that was worth the admission fee alone" how do you they know that? Look at how many fans contribute to the matchday programme and Shrewsweb, it's hardly a close circle. And as for whitters not paying to get into a game, remember he's in the ground well before anyone else and well after too, working. I don't think you appreciate how much work Whitters puts in for what he gets back. What utter rubbish. Shrewsweb is now run full time. It has to be. I believe every club under the PTV banner is run full time because of how time-consuming it is. There is no way someone, alongside a job, could run Shrewsweb to anywhere near the capacity it is run by Whitters. Not to mention the effort that Whitters has put in to it as a hobby in the previous years. I think you're well off the mark with that one!! And as for the photos - again rubbish. Whitters has already asked Telford_Shrews for use of some of his pics in the matchday programme but there is a difference between the quality of general/ ground shots and photos of the players. You will notice a markable quality needed for the match action pages ensuring people don't moan. You'd have also noticed that this season Whitters has a new photographer for the programme. And guess what? She's a Town fan. And I bet Ian has saved the club a lot of money compared to what the last photographer was getting for a similar contribution. I know a lot of people exception to the first post my Matt but this one by 'mrs mopp' is one of the worst I've ever read on B&A. Culminated by the fact that's it posted by a guest and then has the never to criticise others for posting as guests! Jesus! I've got a horrible feeling the post was just a wind up eyeing for a reaction - well you got it!
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 22, 2004 10:22:25 GMT 1
Just by reading the posts you can tell which two posters are whitters drinking buddies, whitters can give criticism but not take it, the toys come flying out of the pram. BUT just like us they are town fans, but what do they do for the club that most of the users on here wouldn't do? i can take critismn, that's what my jobs about to an extent. look at the work i produce and then ciritise if you feel right. but expect me to reply if i think it's unjust, and that's not throwing toys out of the pram.. why does everyone accuse me of throwing my toys out of the pram if i argue with someone, very strange. and i take it your a regular on the board hiding behind a guest login of mrs mop, why?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 22, 2004 13:08:39 GMT 1
this thread gets better ps i'm sure ianwhit would love my pics of fans scoffing for the programme
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 22, 2004 19:54:32 GMT 1
why does everyone accuse me of throwing my toys out of the pram if i argue with someone, very strange. Not its not Ian because you're always arguing with people. There's one aspect that mrs mopp didn't point out: Ian Whitfield Matthew Ashton Ian Matthew Fitzpatrick They are all the same person.
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Post by Reverend on Jan 22, 2004 20:14:28 GMT 1
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 22, 2004 20:19:32 GMT 1
What has jealousy got to do with it? The main problem I have with Ian Whitfield is the attitude he showed towards fans on this messageboard after the Dagenham & Redbridge game. He lost a bit of my respect then. Although my respect, of course is something he neither needs or craves, I'm sure. As for the Programme. Any mistake detracts from it. Have you ever heard the proverb, speak quietly and carry a big stick? No? I didn't think so.
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Post by Reverend on Jan 22, 2004 20:31:54 GMT 1
Are you in charge of any staff in the work you do? If so may I suggest a man management course!! Do you think Whitters takes great delight with any mistakes he makes, NO. Encouragement is way forward, your continual barracking is totally unjustified and unwanted. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. Not really a proverb but as it’s been handed down through the generations to aid the mind against bullies I thought it apt. Spelling and Grammar checked by Microsoft office word 2003 Just for you Sean
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 22, 2004 20:34:56 GMT 1
If you're going to have a battle of wits with me, then at least arm yourself.
I don't bully and I don't barrack. Simple as.
I suggest you have a lie down before you switch back from your other user name to reply to this post.
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Post by Reverend on Jan 22, 2004 20:37:17 GMT 1
;D Me fight why?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 22, 2004 20:39:51 GMT 1
And bless you.
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Post by Reverend on Jan 22, 2004 20:44:27 GMT 1
I have no other name, i share a Pc, in fact we have two Pc's but as my Daughter seems to be super glued to her's,I have to take my chances whilst programs like the Simpsons are on.
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Post by Reverend on Jan 22, 2004 20:57:32 GMT 1
I don't have to ask perission to log of do I have to go cup of ta to make would love to say its been lovely, but never mind.
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Post by shrewforever on Jan 22, 2004 21:26:30 GMT 1
Even though I contributed very early on ............I'm with Pilch now on this one..............
Better than Eastenders.......dont stop now
this should run till Xmas............................
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 22, 2004 21:31:27 GMT 1
this should run till Xmas............................ Unlike Quinn
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 22, 2004 21:55:41 GMT 1
To be honest lads there has to be a better way of spending your evenings and, in all truthfulness, Saturday afternoons. The internet is an entirely inconsequential medium deserving of less of my attention during my own time than it is does during work. Its only redeeming feature is that it costs less than going to the Gay Meadow, and unlike watching Shrewsbury Town you can do it in the warmth and nothing happens when you go off to the toilet. I can't even come on here and get away from talk about political parties. So I think I will And get myself a nice hot mug of ta. Whatever that is.
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Post by Wrighty on Jan 22, 2004 23:13:10 GMT 1
Just by reading the posts you can tell which two posters are whitters drinking buddies
And? Would you not stick up your friends if someone was giving them a slagging? Also, due to the fact I am Whitters' friend i can see how much hard work he puts into his job for very little praise (which i hasten to add he never asks for). I reiterate what i said before. The programme is in its infancy give it a chance and stop being so picky. The thing is you pick on an easy target because he has a public profile and in my eyes is the wrong man to target. As for constantly throwing his toys out of the pram, B*****t. He is indeed working for the club but that apparently means he is not entitled to an opinion. Again rubbish. He was a Town fan long before i met him and is more than entitled to his say. There is no-one more passionate about the club not least because it is his employer. As we inched towards relegation last year the man was scared s****ss about losing his job. We could leave the ground and cry into a pint after relegation last year whilst still knowing we had a job on Monday. It was not so certain for anyone employed by Shrewsbury Town at the end of last season. It looks rather like I will be forced to justify myself. I am not invloved directly in one of the umbrella groups at the moment but that does not mean I do not want to be involved in the future. I went to the initial meetings but due to the fact my work often means huge amounts of mileage and also staying away, I thought it would be better for people to commit who had the time and who could garauntee they would be there. I am not one to commit to something that i will not be able to give the amount of time to that it justifies.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 23, 2004 0:48:17 GMT 1
can I just add at this point that this is all getting very very silly I don't care who is friends with who, who doesn't like what about who or what people said about who and when 1) if you've got a problem tell the person to their face or by email, don't slag them off on here 2) use your own username 3) no historical events or current actions determine who loves shrewsbury more than others and who doesn't. our love for our club is a prescious thing, and not something anyone else can prove or disprove. IF you were there in the beginning be proud of it, if you are there now be proud of it, if you wear the blue and amber, be proud of it we share more than we disagree on, come on guys, it's time to let this go and move on, bit more respect, let's talk to each other as people and remember the fanbase is only as strong as we are are when working together Dave
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Post by boardhousewife on Jan 23, 2004 1:24:03 GMT 1
hes a luvy this mattsnapper good entertainment value tho one more for the gipper
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Post by mr1972 on Jan 23, 2004 1:52:54 GMT 1
blimey this thread is out of hand - Ian made a mistake in the programme - big deal
Most of the people of this board can't put 5 lines together without making a mistake.
I remember when getting a digest mail a day with more than 5 posts on it was something ... That does ofcourse make my post more relevant than the kids of today !!!
Lighten up everyone - January's nearly finished and we can all start drinking again ...
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Post by Pilch on Jan 23, 2004 2:45:43 GMT 1
this thread may just make the archive i'm not sure who to reply to and what to say but i'm sure deep down everyone will agree that ian does a great job with the website and all that goes with it and of course the programme as for the odd mistakes ok its funny when you spot one as it is in any magazine/paper but whats the big deal ? half the programmes i have seen this season have been out of date/ black & white and also full of errors we had a welsh keeper at woking 'Clan Dunbavin' i remember andy davies asking me earlier in the season if i knew any telford fans to check if their squad numbers matched the ones ian had and if a certain player was still on their books or not the telford fan wasn't much help a seemingly simple task like that could be a nightmare how long would it take you to sort out next weeks hucknall squad and get a few pics and some history on the side ? as always ian only needs to ask if he needs a hand with anything WE DO ALL CARE ps as for errors the funniest i saw was when a newspaper printed nigel benns pic in the paper instead of a rape suspects photofit and whilst out jogging he broke his hand on a chaps face who was attempting a citizen arrest on 'benn the rapist'
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 23, 2004 10:47:16 GMT 1
DreamTeam has nowt on this...
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