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Post by stockportershrew on Jan 19, 2004 11:24:41 GMT 1
If only the team had improved as much as the programme Sean - whilst some of your points might be valid - is it necessary to pursue them on this messageboard. Aren't they better aimed at Ian directly via email. Anyway, at the moment, we've got much more to worry about than the programme.
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Jan 19, 2004 17:03:05 GMT 1
i must say the front cover was very catching this week nice use of colours with the white background i'm not just saying that now ask wynnie You did indeed Sir! Passed comment on it down the Telepost on Saturday. I have to say I think the programme has improved steadily over the last few years. Don Stanton slowly but surely improved it year upon year. This season is something else though. By and large it is for the fans by the fans. Incidentally, the previous 2 programmes suddenly contained my name by the article in large letters instead of small letters at the end of my piece. Great, apart from the fact that "Wynne" was suddenly missing the "e" at the end. We had a chuckle about it in my household (especially the in-laws, over at the moment), as did some of the lads down the Telepost. I rung Ian, had a little laugh with him about it and it was put right on Saturday. Ian knows how to spell my surname and it was just a little oversight. Easily done when under pressure. No problem. Well done Mr Whitfeld (intentional mispell - call it revenge ;D) Keep up the good work.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Jan 19, 2004 17:13:56 GMT 1
It's interesting reading all this. All the mistakes Don Stanton used to make.
There are things that need improving don't get me wrong, and I was going to drop E a mial when I have chance, and proof reading is one of them, but we are in our first year, and we can improve things.
The programme has improved 300% and should I think get best overall programme in the division, and I'm not just saying that because I write in it.
I think to be fair, E except the criticism for what is, lsightly out of hand, but a fair critique in some ways, Sean, understand that it does take a lot to produce the programme, and if you can help, great. Again this is what the Umbrella Group should be all about, getting fans to help the club.
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Post by welshshrew5 on Jan 19, 2004 17:17:59 GMT 1
Ade, after that, I'll gladly offer to proof-read your posts on this message board as well.
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 19, 2004 17:22:08 GMT 1
I think to be fair, E except the criticism for what is, lsightly out of hand, but a fair critique in some ways I'm all for people highlighting mistakes, that way i can learn and address them to put them right. what i have a problem with is the dan francis method i.e. straight on a messageboard and bang, bang, bang..... emails are far much nicer..
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Jan 19, 2004 17:22:34 GMT 1
I wish I could type proper. Spellings not brill, but one finger typing!!
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Jan 19, 2004 17:23:24 GMT 1
Actually looking at that again, that was fcukin awful!
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2004 17:43:40 GMT 1
i didn;t want to get involved in this argument but after that last from you ian i must
ian, when did you ever email me to complain about something i had done you didnt like ?
(or hadn't done )
straight on the message board new thread
on the other hand i have always mailed you if i have spotted something wrong
it has to work both ways
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 19, 2004 17:51:06 GMT 1
ian, when did you ever email me to complain about something i had done you didnt like ? that's becuase your evil and the cause of every problem.. you'll have to remind me of this one as it's age catching up with me.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 19, 2004 17:53:57 GMT 1
Is this the new 'Longest ever thread' now?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2004 17:55:11 GMT 1
too many to mention ;D
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 19, 2004 18:35:24 GMT 1
Can i point out that at the time my mother offered to help proof read the programme as did many other people.
Hoever I stated that my mother was a copy editer and inhouse proof reader at PDSA, whilst also being recognised by their union type people. Suffice to say she wasnt required. Yes I was indeed surprised, however, i just assumed that maybe someone had been taken on with the same/better qualifications. Thus it is a little disapointing to see so many mistakes in the programme. The offer of help was there from someone who was qualified and had been doing her job for 10/15 years at least, so once again we need to look at the club and its use of the resources it has to hands.
However I must admit it is still a mark or two up on last seasons.
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Post by faginy on Jan 19, 2004 18:43:33 GMT 1
good point rob, especially if your mum filled out a skills audit thingy
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 19, 2004 18:53:10 GMT 1
Of course she didnt. She doesnt like football and doesnt support STFC. However I did send a few emails to Ian clearly stating that she was likely to be the best that STFC could hope to come up with and that she'd be happy to help out.
I don't think I ever got a reply.....
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 19, 2004 20:03:29 GMT 1
Of course she didnt. She doesnt like football and doesnt support STFC. However I did send a few emails to Ian clearly stating that she was likely to be the best that STFC could hope to come up with and that she'd be happy to help out. I don't think I ever got a reply..... thought i'd replied to everyone who offered help with proof reading, if i didn't then i'm sorry. ever text page of the programme is proof read and the corrections added before being sent to the printers. what it has highlighted is that i need a few extra eyes to look at the pdf's when they come back, so there are a couple of people at work who will be doing that as well as sean, four people to look at the proofs should hopefully get the few of the mistakes out (i has 3 pages of a4 off my boss this morning and not even sean got that many)
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 19, 2004 20:04:11 GMT 1
i probably only straight the messageboard becuase you a hat
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 19, 2004 20:11:29 GMT 1
My point was you were offered someone who was over qualified and actually did what was required for a living,to help out, but chose to other people who perhaps didnt have the same qualifications to help out.
Its like signing an experienced striker from a team a few leagues above you and then just leaving him on the bench.
My mother has read brief parts of the programme and was horrified with not just typos, but punctuation and general grammar.
nevermind why have a proffesional when you can have some inexperienced helpers who do a bit of reading before they go to bed.
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 19, 2004 20:16:55 GMT 1
nevermind why have a proffesional when you can have some inexperienced helpers who do a bit of reading before they go to bed. jesus, anyone else want to join the queue? national have a pop week. if you remember the orginal email it said that we had someone doing the proof reading but they might not be able to do some due to pressure of time. in the end they are ok to carry on doing it. if you give the programme to a profesional proof reader they will have a problem with grammer, that's because it's written by the fans and they are not always trained writers.
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 19, 2004 20:26:27 GMT 1
You are side stepping the point. the club wanted this audit thing so that they could make use of fans skills. I offered a proffesional to do something that was required (and is done quite poorely). i didnt even get a reply. The standard of punctuation/grammer/typos is still quite poor. (pot kettle and black what with my poor grammar) this suggests that your decision was a poor one. It is little skin off my nose as the product you are providing is a representation of your work, and as such you and the club look silly when a players name isn't even correct. And as for have a pop at you week. Don't get all upity. You asked for help, got offered proffesional help, rejected, and so can not complain when people point out that the standard of grammer and punctuation is still poor. having said that, despite its failings it is still a better read than last seasons.
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Post by Impartial on Jan 19, 2004 20:51:37 GMT 1
Rob - is the offer from your Mother still there? If yes, get in touch with the fella and I bet Ian will be more than glad to use that fantastic resource?
If not, accept what he is saying regarding timeframes admitting mistakes, and give the guy a break.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2004 21:08:31 GMT 1
i probably only straight the messageboard becuase you a hat you really should proof read your posts before you post them just to make sure they make sense ;D ;D ;D
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Post by kickinpretty on Jan 19, 2004 21:11:10 GMT 1
Skip - How much does your mother charge as i need a proof reader for my web sites and possibly other media work.
Its not going to be overly regular and maybe just a couple of hours here and there.
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Post by Salop_Ian on Jan 19, 2004 21:26:10 GMT 1
It is spelt PROFESSIONAL!!!!!!
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 19, 2004 22:06:26 GMT 1
I offered a proffesional to do something that was required (and is done quite poorely). i didnt even get a reply. rob, you are having a pop because basically your saying if your mum had done it when you suggested then all would be fine and dandy, that's not right. when i asked for help i got around 9 replies, 4 from people who proof read for a living, as i said i thought i had replied to everyone and thanked them for there offers of help. as i've explained the whole thing is proof read, the errors that have been highlighted are ones from the way the printers actually set it in quark. as i've explained this wasn't picked up as i was the only one checking the pdf's back from the printers. it's highlighted that this isn't the best as errors have sneaked through so we've addressed this and will now have three extra people look at the proofs back. at the end of the season i'll review the whole thing and if i need your mums kind offer of help them i'll approach you. as with the grammer point i'm not really sidestepping anything, there are about 10 people who write an article for each issue, they all write differently, some better than others (the one who writes the youth profiles is useless). i'd be interested if your mum would look at the last issue and highlight what she's see to be wrong with it. i think i found 3 actual spelling mistakes that had slipped through, the rest were setting errors and silly mistakes such as pictures in the wrong place, which i've explained why.. if anyone wants to post a whole lists of mistakes on here i'd be more than happy to try and explain why they all turned up in the programme.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2004 22:14:37 GMT 1
skip does your mum know what joe hart and adam smith look like ? ;D sorry i just can't help it
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Post by Southern Fried Afro on Jan 19, 2004 22:26:08 GMT 1
Can anyone find any gramatical errors or spelling mistakes in my article
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Jan 19, 2004 22:32:18 GMT 1
I expect you used Microsoft Word Afro
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Post by Southern Fried Afro on Jan 19, 2004 22:36:07 GMT 1
Obviously, I didn't want to embarrass myself on my first article.
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Post by RuytonShrew on Jan 19, 2004 22:42:28 GMT 1
It was one of the best fans articles I've read in the programme, afro. I was very imprressed. If you do any more, maybe email Whitters a picture of you in the wig as most of the people buying the programme will not be users of this site and will have no idea who you are...
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Post by Southern Fried Afro on Jan 19, 2004 22:45:38 GMT 1
I've given him this picture for when I did beat the pro, so he may still have it, hopefully the halifax one will be a little more up-beat
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