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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 18, 2004 19:06:34 GMT 1
And I made a genuine offer to help.
I am afraid that the sort of bulls**t attitude that Ian has displayed over the last month or so too typical of the club. It should be challenged more.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 18, 2004 19:13:49 GMT 1
hey Sean, if I told you that you had that sort of attitude would you then accept my offer of help?
Cos I doubt Ian will if that is what you think about him
The bottom line is the programme is a phenomenal improvement and all you mention are little typos. yes they are silly mistakes, and slightly annoying, but don't you think Ian must cringe the moment he sees that mistake, he doesn't need you to tell him!
if you genuinely have a problem why not email him or go and see him about him, why slag him off in an open forum?
I have been over to help Ian proof read the programme once when I could, at other times I can't help, but the Guardian is famed for having typos and that has lasted a good few years!
if you want to see improvement you need to engage with these things and make positive suggestions, not just try and point out anything remotely bad about it, that doesn't reflect well on you
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 18, 2004 19:16:03 GMT 1
Little typos
;D ;D ;D
I think one of the points I made was it wasn't little.
Ian isn't the only one who work long hours. If its too much he should stop. That is in his power to control. He may deny that - but its true. At a certain point he has the right to say its the end of the workign day.
Having started by making a joke about these things - what is actually revealed is that there are some logistical problems that need to be resolved.
Would that have come to light with a touchy-feely email? No.
That's three times in barely a month me and Ian have had a pop at each other. Fair enough. Heat light and some illumination too.
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Post by Dale on Jan 18, 2004 19:21:30 GMT 1
imo i think the programme is the best read we have had for years but if we used a local printing firm instead of giving money to a firm that in turn sponsors telford we would have time to proof read it properly.the current firm we use had their works do the night before a match and then we didnt get them till the second half. Are there any decent printers in Shrews? Taws printers are based in Halesfield near where I work, (and I think I can remember seeing a large tent with loud music pumping out of it next to their factory as I left work one night near to the Farnborough game) but at least theyre a bit closer to where the programme was previously printed AND edited, which was Lichfield.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 18, 2004 19:30:22 GMT 1
Little typos ;D ;D ;D I think one of the points I made was it wasn't little. Ian isn't the only one who work long hours. If its too much he should stop. That is in his power to control. He may deny that - but its not true. the printer put his middle name up instead of his first name, remind me again at what point that was Ian's fault? In this post you are now questionning whether Ian should be doing his job, and questioning whether he is being truthful or not In my opinion using this forum for both those suggestions is absolutely bang out of order and you need to sort it out. If it's such a big deal to you send Roland a letter asking for Ian to be removed from his position, you could even offer your own services as our new media manager? In the absence of that eventuality could you get down off your high horse and give the guy a break
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 18, 2004 19:33:53 GMT 1
As I say I started this thread as a joke. Ian trots out with the usual seige mentality. That's up to him. I can take that and dish it too if that is the way he wants it.
I'm aware of the explanation David. I can read. But can you? I am suggetsing, taking up Phil's point, that Ian works too many hours. And I am saying, as someone who works 50 plus hours of week (out of choice) that if Ian has a problem with the hours he works he can control that.
You're riding pretty high in the saddle yourself.
There are logistical problems that effect the proper proof reading before final print. How does it stop happening?
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Jan 18, 2004 19:39:57 GMT 1
If you are making jokes Sean try these ;D ;D
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 18, 2004 19:41:46 GMT 1
David, lol, I must be in trouble, only my Mother calls me that!
I don't know how to stop it happening, but you and whitters have got so much good to give to our club it is just such a waste to see energy wasted in this sort of way
sit down with Ian and have a pint some time, discuss what people can do to help him and work through the logistical issues of getting 20+ people contributing to a 48 page magazine in the space of a week
then let us know what conclusions you have come up with how we can all help
there, that's a bit more constructive!
can you feel the love in the room? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 18, 2004 19:42:03 GMT 1
I think people should try reading my posts. And in Ian's case as someone who knows me - ;D shouldn't be necessary. And in fact - wouldn't make any difference in this case.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 18, 2004 19:48:27 GMT 1
just email him next time!
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Post by Salop_Ian on Jan 18, 2004 19:57:25 GMT 1
Given that imperfect postage stamps are often more valuable than ordinary ones, perhaps football programmes with typos will also be a big money spinner. ;D **
** Note: The grin smiley indicates that this comment should not be taken seriously.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 18, 2004 20:56:28 GMT 1
Blimey, like a bunch a women the lot of ya... ;D
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Post by guest on Jan 18, 2004 20:57:30 GMT 1
phew good job sean didnt mention the ryan lowe picture on page 20.
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 18, 2004 21:42:31 GMT 1
Bullsh*t Ian. Yes. I can be at the ground on Thursday evening after work. quarter to seven. Which entrance do I use? excellent response there sean.... anway, cheers for the offer, don't need to be at the ground i'll email it across, don't like hanging around the ground late at night far too many strange noises...
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 18, 2004 21:50:36 GMT 1
I am afraid that the sort of bullsh*t attitude that Ian has displayed over the last month or so too typical of the club. It should be challenged more. what bulls**t attitude is that then? i'm here posting on an unoffical board to try an explain things which i think i do quite well. yep people might not like the way i reply but .... them. if you email, speak or phone me i will deal with any questions you have, and i will deal with it in a professional way, but do you really explect me to do the same when there is so much s**te posted on here. personally i think there are people who will always knock anything the club does, it's just their nature. that part of it does get me down. take the station end opening, lot of people happy but then some have a knock at not being able to move between station and riverside, away ticketing the tamworth game seemed to wrk ok (though we nearly didn't sell all the tickets) but still people have problems and want it changed for the next time.... it's just a funny situation to be in.... the thing with you sean is you never really read anything, you just go straight back in. 3rd post i explained the reasons behind the mistakes but that doesn't seem to be good enough for you, either that or you ignored it or couldn't be bothered to offer an opinon.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 18, 2004 22:08:39 GMT 1
I have so much faith in the information printed in the programme that I have spent the weekend thinking that for the last 6 months or so I had mistakenly been referring to Fitz as Ian.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 18, 2004 22:16:57 GMT 1
Bulls**t again Ian - if this carries on we're going to have to call in Dynorod.
I have read your ****ing explanation as my posts have proved. Clearly there is a problem and as I have said I will help to proof read unless your question about the Thursday evening was a p**stake.
i've explained the bulls**t attitude. Its that nonsense seige mentally that everyone at the club eventually exhibits - including you.
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Post by DRASFounder on Jan 18, 2004 22:27:39 GMT 1
Now now chaps, can we not drop this from here and let you both sort it out between yourselves. It has got to the stage where you are both having a go at each other and its best not done here in public..... Lets let this thread die now eh and put all this energy into helping and supporting our team DRAS DRAS DRAS
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Post by timgallon on Jan 18, 2004 22:29:17 GMT 1
lads this is getting way to personal and no need for that language either, especially on a sunday ;D
On the issue raised about mistakes i do agree that typos and errors are annoying and embarrasing. The fact is that as a result the programme loses a bit of credability.
On the issue of proof reading Ian its really a golden rule that whoever writes something should not proof read it. As you go along you tend to check it over and over again and sometimes when you come to the final reading your mind skips certain bits cos you think youve checked it before.
Its essential that the proof reader is someone that hasnt been invloved in its preparation or has read it before. Therefore Seans offer should be taken up. I am also prepared to proof read as well Ian if you like.
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Post by Dale on Jan 19, 2004 0:33:41 GMT 1
I didnt know you could get that angry Sean Does he have a point about the 'club's siege mentality' attitude though?
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 19, 2004 0:37:40 GMT 1
Yes, i'd also go along with that, "siege mentality" is a fair comment in my opinion
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 19, 2004 0:46:31 GMT 1
It is true that the club has a siege mentality, most club officials I have met exhibit it, especially when we the fans dare to questions their decisions
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 19, 2004 1:29:00 GMT 1
I have read your f**king explanation as my posts have proved. Clearly there is a problem and as I have said I will help to proof read unless your question about the Thursday evening was a p**stake. well it's the first time you've noted it. the whole programme is proof read and this happened this time, the majority of mistakes are down to timing problems that meant the proofs back from taws were late or not received, this was a one off. if as you say you started this thread as p**stake then you didn't do it very well, and the question that comes to mind is why? and no i wasn't taking the p**s asking for you to read the proofs, so consider yourself on board. as are about 2 other people at work who find nothing better than race each other to find the first mistake and then see who can tell me first, what joy that is.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Jan 19, 2004 2:18:23 GMT 1
Sean... you are totally out of order mate
I used to run the STFC womens website and help Ian with the 'old' site and it over 35 hrs a week.
With Ian doing the now official site too this season he has had to find time to do the programme too. He has taken a pay cut and Im giving him my time free of charge doing the feature pics of the players instead of charging about £3000 for the lot.
He is constantly battling with the management and club getting exclusive stories so the fans know to trust the website instead of the local papers.
Get off his bloody back.
There have been teething problems with the printers, but you have a go at them because they sponsor Telford.. BIG WOW. So if u were a tottenham fan u wouldnt use O2 if they were the cheapest or refuse to drive a rover car if u were a blues fan.?
steve the guy who puts it together is a town fan actually.
There is a problem so I sincerely hope you will help the poor guy and Ill make damn sure ur hard work does not go unnoticed and proof reader - sean will be in the programme credits..!
Happy..?
;D
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2004 2:35:19 GMT 1
i must say the front cover was very catching this week nice use of colours with the white background
i'm not just saying that now ask wynnie
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 19, 2004 10:21:06 GMT 1
No Ian, I didn't start it as a p**stake, just making light of a few things in the programme - not all of which were mistakes.
As the webmaster of the official website Ian you are the messenger, however over the last few weeks you've started to become the message. Wading in and taking potshots at fans who say things that you don't like. Of particular concern to me were the poor and stupid commenst you made about the fans' reaction to the dagenham defeat.
Further to that you have emailed me within the last few weeks telling me that you were going to withdraw a regular feature on the website and it was all my fault.
Before you start abusing paying customers you need to look in the mirror, and be mindful of the position you hold.
There are things that I have said on this messageboard over the last few months that echo things that people say to me. And have no illusions about this Ian - people who we both know.
I'm sure you know that you hav no way of shutting me up.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 19, 2004 10:47:40 GMT 1
I cant belive this - the programm this year is much better than before. I used to complain bitterly about all the mistakes last year (as witters will testifiy) but instead of constianly moaning about the programm i now help with the directions page as i use them every week why not help out and make it more accurate - so i did. Also had a artical in last week which was resonably good and quite negative (would that have got in las year - No)
I say well done the program, its a good read every week.
PS witters i will get the last bunch of directions off to you in the next week.
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 19, 2004 11:02:23 GMT 1
As the webmaster of the official website Ian you are the messenger, however over the last few weeks you've started to become the message. Wading in and taking potshots at fans who say things that you don't like. Of particular concern to me were the poor and stupid commenst you made about the fans' reaction to the dagenham defeat. Further to that you have emailed me within the last few weeks telling me that you were going to withdraw a regular feature on the website and it was all my fault. I'm sure you know that you hav no way of shutting me up. maybe that was because you constantly said i was lying about injury updates about luke. comments made after dagenham were my own feelings at the time. so it's ok for you to come on here and put whatever you think but not ok for me? sounds fair does that. why would i want to shut you up? blimey, don't get paranoid there sean it's a free world and you can say what you like, just don't expect me to agree with it. What feature am i going to pull?
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Post by Norge on Jan 19, 2004 11:11:24 GMT 1
Why not have two sign ups Ian? One when speaking on behalf of the club. One on behalf of Ian the supporter. Nothing to do with this thread i know but just a suggestion. PS, Did have a giggle at the Ian/Matthew error but if this is his middle name then i can't see a problem in this affecting the player in any way but on the whole the programme is superb and is a credit to STFC.
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 19, 2004 11:20:24 GMT 1
Why not have two sign ups Ian? PS, Did have a giggle at the Ian/Matthew error but if this is his middle name then i can't see a problem in this affecting the player in any way but on the whole the programme is superb and is a credit to STFC. I'd rather just use my own name, at least people know it's me but i can see your point. i know, got the programme on saturday went to the middle page and my heart just dropped.... i'm keeping out of fitz's way
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