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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 26, 2004 10:10:51 GMT 1
Just a quick one to say where are all the defenders of Cramb now?
After the FA trophy game I came on here and declared that Rodgers and Darby should play and that cramb was not the answer. I said that if he could prove me wrong i would apologise to a few people for my comments but look what happened - The Accrington game - absoultely rubbish game from Cramb and then on Sat at Halifax - yes we did not score but rodgers and Dearby looked really good in my eyes and give a bit of time could do damage in this level, and cramb came on and did not (again) look intrested/bothered
I hate to be right about this but his time is up and should consentrate on getting some form back, otherwise - its funds for a new player?
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Post by scooter on Jan 26, 2004 10:22:53 GMT 1
So if you were right about Rodgers & Darby why didn't we score ?
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Post by welshshrew5 on Jan 26, 2004 10:24:11 GMT 1
Hmm, I was disappointed with Crambs attitude when he came on too Pricey.
But whilst Darby did some good things first half ( a couple of times holding the ball up keeping possession) he didn't win a thing in the air, gave away stupid free kicks and disappeared totally second half.
Rodgers/Cramb for me!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 26, 2004 10:29:02 GMT 1
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Post by Norge on Jan 26, 2004 10:38:56 GMT 1
and Loony Pete He'll take it personally
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2004 10:46:37 GMT 1
The point is though you're not right Glyn ;D
No two strikers have looked comfortable together yet. Rodgers was by far the best player on Saturday and although Darby made a couple of nice runs/flick-ons and hold-ups he was still far from playing to the ability that he should be
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Post by petetheloon on Jan 26, 2004 11:02:37 GMT 1
Cramb has more goals this season than all the other strikers put together!!!
What does it take for him to get some credit off some people?
Just because he looks like he is not bothered doesn't mean that he isn't. People see a lot of Jemmo in crambs style of play and simply don't like it for that reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2004 11:23:01 GMT 1
"Cramb has more goals this season than all the other strikers put together!!!"
Er...no.
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Post by faginy on Jan 26, 2004 11:38:28 GMT 1
"Cramb has more goals this season than all the other strikers put together!!!" Er...no. well that depends, if you count quinny's goals then he hasnt.... anyway, dont want to say too much on this thread as my appreciation of Crambie as a quality footballer got me a nomination for the Bullsh*t Awards!!! Like shrewforever says, when fit, Cramb is as important to the team as Tinson, O'Connor or Rodgers.
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Post by petetheloon on Jan 26, 2004 11:41:30 GMT 1
I was discounting Quinn.
Rodgers 8 Banim 1 Darby 1
Total 10
Cramb 12!!!
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Post by faginy on Jan 26, 2004 11:45:03 GMT 1
Rodgers has got 9 to be fair, but point still well made petetheloon ;D CCAS
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Post by Local Lad on Jan 26, 2004 11:50:02 GMT 1
Just because, Cramb chooses not to race after useless balls, and knacker himself out, (unlike Ryan Lowe)
and uses a little common sense, with regards to the offside rule Luke before saturday had been caught offside 51 times, chesters highest player was 23 times, some people see this as a lack of effort on crambs part.
Cramb is an intelligent footballer, he knows what he is capable of, and what balls are worth chasing, he's not the best striker, otherwise he would be playing in the premiership, but he is our top goal scorer, and i think the majority of fans recognise that our best play comes when we get the ball is kept down. which you get from Cramb.
Some people may liken him to Jemson, but so far i believe he has turned up for training, he gives advice to younger players (Joe hart on saturday, he told him to get back in goal at half time, which would make some of you happy), and he has not told everyone (including the disabled section) to F**K OFF.
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Luke is not interested in playing for us anymore, and Banim has put on weight since he joined us.
Darby has come from a second division team, and that i have been led to believe is reflected within his wages
Id have to say that i think we get value for money with Cramb, and that you are entitled to an opinion, but until someone else starts scoring, the idea of getting Cramb out is ridiculous
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Post by Norge on Jan 26, 2004 11:53:09 GMT 1
And Steve Watts has one
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Post by welshshrew5 on Jan 26, 2004 12:00:11 GMT 1
Some good points, but I'd also note that Cramb has been impotent in too many important games. His attitude on Saturday was poor especially compared to Rodgers.
Rodgers/Cramb for me please.
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Post by mancshrew on Jan 26, 2004 12:27:26 GMT 1
i have to admit that much as i wind petetheloon up every week about Mr Cramb he gives us that bit of creativity up front and is often in the right place at the right time - his goals record speaks for itself
i would much rather see town play football with cramb upfront rather than "hoofball" up to some big bloke
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Post by PorkyShrew on Jan 26, 2004 12:33:45 GMT 1
the thing wiv cramb... people NEED to give him the ball!!!! he is similar to sammy... when he is not given the ball he drifts out of the game!
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 26, 2004 12:35:58 GMT 1
Very similar to Jemson.
Cramb should start for me!
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Post by Wrighty on Jan 26, 2004 12:41:39 GMT 1
the problem with Cramb in my eyes is that he reminds me rather of a lower league Andy Cole. Yes he may score goals but it is the number of opportunities he takes to score them is a problem. Whilst at Man U it was not too much of a problem as someone would usually score if he did not, unfortunately in the Conference where a lot of teams play us to get a point we need to make the most of the few opportunites we get.
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Post by Liam on Jan 26, 2004 12:57:25 GMT 1
I'm the first to admit he's been rubbish a few times this season, but can anyone name a singel one of our strikers who hasn't?
What does annoy me, and when I feel the criticism is unjust, is when we put Cramb on and then proceed to hoof high balls at his head - of course he's going to be useless if you use him like that, because he's not that type of player!
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Post by True_Shrew on Jan 26, 2004 12:57:40 GMT 1
Oh come on Grpicey, I saw you face light up when Cramb came on for Derby In all fairness, Cramb wasn't that effective when he came on but it has to be the Cramb/Rodgers partnership everytime for me, they will get goals.
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Post by Paul Williams on Jan 26, 2004 13:54:19 GMT 1
You are biased against Cramb GPricey- you slagged him off after the FA Trophy game when he was one of our best players and now you slag him off after a late substitute's appearance against Halifax, hailing Darby (who everyone thinks is playing poorly) and Rodgers is the way forward, a combination that produced 0 goals at the Shay. Central strikers must must must score goals- Cramb has 13 ! I am not sure what the best partnership is but he will be part of it.
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Post by Evo10 on Jan 26, 2004 14:00:49 GMT 1
If Crambs so crap, why when I asked Jody Banim in town who he thought the best striker was at the club (apart from himself), he said Cramb. Maybe you think Banim is 5hite aswell? ? You can tell the team arn't doing aswell as expected because people just come on here and slate the players instead of getting behind them, disgraceful.
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Post by Evo10 on Jan 26, 2004 14:08:43 GMT 1
If Crambs so crap, why when I asked Jody Banim in town who he thought the best striker was at the club (apart from himself), he said Cramb. Maybe you think Banim is 5hite aswell? You can tell the team arn't doing aswell as expected because people just come on here and slate the players instead of getting behind them, disgraceful.
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Post by StrettonBlue on Jan 26, 2004 14:16:42 GMT 1
For me Cramb is a class act and just like Jemson will never be fully appreciated.
Why as fans do we always look at players weakness's instead of their strenghts. Beckham has not got a left foot, Cramb looks lazy ?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 26, 2004 14:19:54 GMT 1
Intresting - i had been waiting to post this thread all weekend so i did at about 9am and then went out of my office untill just now and i have to say there are some valid points.
But i have to say a few more things - would the result have been different yesterday if cramb was playing - I doubt it
Has cramb played well away from home since ohh Late November - No
This is not a witch hunt i said i would wait 2 weeks before bring this back up and revaluate my opinian (im not that closed minded you know) and there was simpley nothing in the last 2 weeks of any positve note from Cramb!!!!! - Its True and you cant deny that.
Also if you refer back to the original post then i think he is a good player but just not the best we have
And True Shrew - You know that was not my face lighting up it was anger that he was faffing about up front again in a game we had to win
Anyway - i have to say that i can slate whoever the hell i like - Remember people Colin Cramb is not going to give a damm what i say and will never here of this and also the people around me on sat at the game will back me up that i do not constanly rant at player rather I save that till im in a safe place to voice my consernes like on here or at home!!!!
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 26, 2004 14:24:13 GMT 1
Cramb is a class act and the only player in the team with the vision and speed of thought to unlock opposition defences, our problem is we don't play to his strengths often enough, i.e. ball to feet rather than hoofball
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Post by Yonkooo on Jan 26, 2004 15:05:17 GMT 1
I can't undertand people attacking Cramb. OK he has his weaknesses but remember he is our top scorer. If you want to direct anger at any of our strikers look no further than Mr. Darby. 1 goal in 9 games; inabilty to head a ball;general lack of interest: is a long way from being adequate.
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Post by gregtheshrew on Jan 26, 2004 15:13:15 GMT 1
I think Cramb is this years Jemson.The one player who divides fans and causes heated arguments amongst us.I rate Cramb and would play him and Rodgers for now,at least until Darby shows some form anyway.
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Post by Jonah on Jan 26, 2004 15:21:55 GMT 1
Class act Cramb but not used to his full potential.
Poor mans Denis Bergkamp in my eyes. :-*JQ give him a free role to influence. Let Luke do the chasing.
Cramb/Rodgers no question but they must be given time to forge a partnership.
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 26, 2004 17:24:18 GMT 1
While Cramb can be a class act, he does have a tendancy to make Sam Aiston look consistant (in that he drifts in and out of games so much).
However someone said Rodgers was caught offside so often and thus not very intelligent. Rodgers game, unlike Cramb is based on playing on the last man, the majority of the time there is nothing between him and the last man.
Also the time that Luke Rodgers is no longer interested in the club and giving his all will be the time he has been sold, his workrate is amazing, be it tracking back or chasing hopeless balls.
As for chasing hopeless balls, well defending starts from the front, and if the team are playing a pressing game, then the strikers will be required to chase long balls.
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