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Post by Nickjonesy on Jan 19, 2004 13:17:38 GMT 1
I placed a bet pre- season that was a double; Town to win the conference and Baggies to win 1st division. Am I being naively optimistic, but I've already started planning spending the £1200 winnings The baggies have played awful and still find themselves within a four/ five game run of a clear lead (as do Town) Optimism is something that is infectious- a little of it in the stands could have a positive effect on the pitch We don't have to play like Arse or Man U, just a little better than Accy or Burton
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 19, 2004 13:19:47 GMT 1
'i wish there was some geordie or maccam spirit in some of you'...
What's that supposed to mean?
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Post by fabrinelli HUFC on Jan 19, 2004 13:20:13 GMT 1
As a Hereford fan looking in on your conversation I would say that as a whole your team has under performed. Your team showed how they can play when you quite frankly ripped us apart (HUFC). I would have to say that your performance that day was amongst the best i've seen from any opposition this season.
It sounds to me like you've got the skill but the desire and effort is lacking?
I think that the statement that your only 5th because of the bad quality in this league is a little harsh to the conference. You, as we did, thought we'd cake walk this league and thus jump straight back into the third division and it hasn't happened. Hereford are challenging for top spot which means (going by points) that we have played better than you yet we have lost to the likes of Burton Leigh and Tamworth-if the quality of this league is so poor why is it we lose these games yet we can beat Exeter, Aldershot and draw with Chester at the Dive Stadium?
Your fifth because you have some very good skilled players that will look good even when they're playing bad, unfortunately if the same players played to their max then you'd be realistically challenging at the top. Your fifth because you have skill, your not top because your players are not realising their own potential, and if they are, then they are choosing not to show it.
I'd say your in with a shout at the title, even if its a long shot but the play-offs look your most likely route to the football league.
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Post by Stockportershrew on Jan 19, 2004 13:25:46 GMT 1
agree with some of your comments about lack of desire and I can't comment on your individual performances. I do rate Hereford as the best footballing team in the division. However, the quality of teams outside the top7/8 is mediocre to say the least. We've got points with dismal displays e.g. Leigh. Which in the third division we'd certainly have lost.
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Post by fabrinelli HUFC on Jan 19, 2004 13:36:10 GMT 1
You've played poorly against Leigh etc and got points-your fifth. We've played badly against Leigh etc and lost yet we're second.
At the end of the day Hereford have a tiny squad with not one single player costing anything and having known this pre-season and being offered a play-off spot I'd have most certainly taken it.
Hereford have had GT as manager in the conf and we've done rather poor in all the seasons before this so why is it this season we are top? What i'm saying is the same teams (roughly) ae in the conf this season as have been in the last 6 or 7 so if the quality is so poor why is this the first season HUFC are challenging? The conference is not of a bad standard otherwise teams in the bottom three would not be able to get the results they have against a second placed team such as Hereford United.
Anyway, heres to a good game at Edgar Street-off to get my ticket from the club office today.
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Post by fabrinelli HUFC on Jan 19, 2004 13:38:35 GMT 1
should say challenging for the top. Musn't get presumptuous.
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Post by Paul Williams on Jan 19, 2004 13:55:31 GMT 1
Well Done FabHUFC- a balanced view to offset the negative posts that are appearing more and more on this board. What is wrong with everybody? You know what has typically happened to relegated clubs into the Conference clubs over recent years but for some reason you expect us to canter back into the league at the first attempt. Perhaps the other HUFC fans and Donny fans will tell you just how close they have finished to being relegated further on a couple of occasions. A 0-0 draw against one of the Conference's in form teams, a pitch which did not help our game, a point nearer Chester--- and it's the end of the world. Perhaps the moaners should lower their expectations a bit and really show some positive support!
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Post by Tyler on Jan 19, 2004 15:41:19 GMT 1
What's this, a whole 3 pages of football discussion without someone jumping in saying something like
"You're s**t and we're gonna p**s this crappy league"
Must admit I was absolutely convinced we (CCFC) would win the league a few weeks ago as we were playing the best football I'd seen us play in many a year. Saturday's dire performance at Forest Green has put a bit of reality back into me though. I still think we'll do it, but it only takes a few more performances like that and we'll be screwed. Hopefully MW will sort it out, but at the end of the day it's still there to be won (and lost) so I wouldn't give up hope no matter how bad you think you are playing.
Looks like it could go to the wire!
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Post by CCFC on Jan 19, 2004 17:14:08 GMT 1
It wasnt a point gained by you
It was 3 points thrown away by us.
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 19, 2004 17:58:43 GMT 1
Having seen the reasonable, the bad, the good and the downright shockingly crap this season, I would concur that the Conference is indeed a worse league than all the Conference fans make it out to be.
As for challenging etc.. Well maybe the reason Doncaster didnt challenge, was because they were skint, had no squad, part of the ground had been burned down and the chairman had be convicted of attempted fraud. Chester, had a crackpot chairman, fans who were boycotting home games, had just sold their best striker (beckett) and had gotten rid of a decent manager Atkins, they also lost Moss to us and Doherty(?) to Rochdale amongst other players. they were skint.
My point is STFC are actually in a stronger position now than they have been nefore, there is money there to spend, gates are/have been on the up, we have actually improved our squad whilst losing the deadwood and keeping the quality, yet still the team underperforms. We've all herd rumours that all is not well at the club, that the same problems that helped bring to the end KRs' time at the club are still prevelnt this season.
The point is we have one of, if not the best squad in the Conference, yet you look at the Exeters,Herefords,Aldershots who have less money, smaller gates, smaller squads, somewould argue they were also inferiour teams, and you look at what they are achieving.
They are achieving the same as STFC, but are a far smaller scale, this league is rubbish by and large, and something somewhere in the STFC equation doesnt add up, because from my experience 2+2 doesnt equal 7.
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Post by fabrinelli HUFC on Jan 19, 2004 21:11:14 GMT 1
How naive are you?! Myself and a CCFC fan have both tried to express reasons why you should optimistic about the rest of the season-in some ways offering words of encouragement and then you turn around and say we are inferior-its nice to know the respect is mutual;cheers mate.
Secondly, whilst still in with a chance of winning the conf your fans are very downbeat, whilst offering words of encouragement and optimism, I must state that after your remarks I should comment on your positionin the table.
If this league is so rubbish why are you 5th? It doesn't matter what you say-you are 5th because your not good enough to be 1st-4th. Hereford, Exeter and Aldershot are not inferior. We may have smaller squads, lesser attendances and not much money but does that make us inferior. All three are above yourselves-not something that would happen if they were truly inferior.
What you have to get over is the fact that you are not a football league club anymore, you are in the conference just like Hereford, Exeter and Aldershot as well as teams such as FGR and Leigh. You are where you are because its the level your abilities are at. You seem to be stuck in some sort of football league bubble and I hate to tell you this but it burst last season. We are not inferior; it could be argues that you are inferior (which is not my personal opinion) because you have the funds and are still failing. The discussion on here is credit to your fans as its a sensible football thread, its just a shame that you have to spoil it with such outrageous comments.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Jan 19, 2004 23:06:48 GMT 1
Were 5th and playing sh*te mate , god knows what will happen if we ever hit form.
Is 5th good enough to give us a lottery chance of going up ?
This league is crap, were playing crapper every week yet results still seem to go our way!! and we remain in the playoffs.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 20, 2004 0:05:43 GMT 1
S'right Duncan. How can a team be fifth, within touching distance of the leading teams, having had one excellent performance?
When we were in a similar position in the 3rd a few seasons ago you approached most games thinking we're going to get 3 points out of this game. The quality of play then - by and large - was clearly better.
I can only conclude that there is a clear gap this season between the third and the conference whatever other team's fans may say.
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 20, 2004 13:01:10 GMT 1
I never mentioned Chester City.
Have any other club got the resources to match STFC (apart from CCFC)? No, has anyother club spent as much as us? No.
What I said was supposed to be a compliment to what you're teams are achieving under difficult circumstances. You are in a CVA for crying out loud. I was also pointing out the apparent mismanagement at this club.
Look at Man United, they make sure that they put their resources to good use, thus making sure most clubs cant touch them, that is what we should be doing but are not.
As for this league, I think we are playing worse lthan last season. Which says it all......
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Post by Sprog HUFC on Jan 20, 2004 17:11:02 GMT 1
Unless you are very lucky and get the promotion that you do not deserve, you will soon learn that the Conference is as hard to win as Div 3.
Just look at the teams that get promoted from the Conf, they nearly always finish in the top half, or better, of Div 3. No coincidence surely? If the conf is so bad why do these teams do so well after promotion?
Also a point about superiority. You judge attendences as a part of that, our crowds are similar as a matter of fact. You must remember that it is an AVERAGE figure that is given, the main reason yours shows as a few hundred more than ours is that we 2000 to your place and made the crowd up to 6,500!
Thank you please!
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Post by PorkyShrew on Jan 20, 2004 17:16:44 GMT 1
hmmm theres far to much writing to read on this post!
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Post by stockportershrew on Jan 20, 2004 17:40:02 GMT 1
what I was arguing that overall the league as a whole is weaker. Sure I don't doubt that some of the best sides in the conference would more than hold their own. Nor am I arguing that we are too good for this league etc. far from it. We look a very ordinary team at times and I amazed how find ourselves in 5th position which seems to me to suggest that the league doesn't have strenght in depth.
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