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Post by skipwithrob on Mar 1, 2004 21:24:52 GMT 1
Just seen Tinnos comments about the crowd, was he right? Is it on for first the manager and then the club captain to have a pop at the supporters after the crap we've had to endure?
Flaming heck Big Jim and Tinno were playing for us last season I wonder what they'd have made of the crowd then???
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 1, 2004 21:30:43 GMT 1
Go anywhere up and down the leagues and if the home side have either played poorly or are not winning when they are expected to and they'll be booed off. Tinson must have heard it at Macclesfield.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 1, 2004 21:33:39 GMT 1
or was the crowd booing the ref ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2004 21:34:43 GMT 1
I don't know why Quinny and Tinno are complaining. The fans have every right to boo if the standard of football being served up is unacceptable. Sometimes we have been terrible this season, and the booing has been well deserved. I can only think of the Accrington game where to booing probably wasn't in order.
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Post by Wrighty on Mar 1, 2004 21:35:05 GMT 1
Kind of similar to the debate last week really!
I find it embarassing unless really deserved (dagenham for example, where i didn't but could not argue with the overall sentiment)
Supporters should support
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Post by skipwithrob on Mar 1, 2004 21:41:51 GMT 1
I too find it embarrising that large sections of the crowd boo at half time.
However I also find it unnacceptable that the captain and the manager should see fit to attack the supporters, whom despite the torrid football that has been put on display, continue to turn out in their thousands, reguardless of the league position, the day of the week and the lies the board have told us.
It is completely unacceptable, especially from seasoned proffessionals.
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Post by Wrighty on Mar 1, 2004 21:46:07 GMT 1
yeah can accept your point to a certain extent as it has been fairly dreadful at times. How about supporters support, players play and managers manage and then we will all be happy. If only it was that easy
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Post by skipwithrob on Mar 1, 2004 21:51:56 GMT 1
I agree bring it up at the umbrella meeting
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Post by grinfish on Mar 1, 2004 22:13:17 GMT 1
Does anyone fork out their cash to go to the match especially to boo? No? Then something must be going wrong between the kickoff whistle and the start of the booing then!
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Post by ShrewsAde on Mar 1, 2004 22:53:55 GMT 1
when we have the equal best goals against at home of just 7 in 14 games (better than Arse Chel and ManU - and about 120 other teams in the top five leagues) - are we just not used to being one down at half time ?
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Post by ianwhit on Mar 1, 2004 23:19:03 GMT 1
don't think tinno was having a go, he was just saying he's disappointed to be booed off at half-time.
do people think players should just keep quite with their thoughts?
if anyones got shrewsworld you can here the full 7-minute interview with tinno, it's been on the site since saturday,
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 1, 2004 23:30:00 GMT 1
Ian maybe i'm wrong but the fans around me were booing at the ref, and the linesman (i was stood centre riverside) after there first half disgrace performance, maybe the telford fans might have joined in if was'nt for the fact they were one nil up,Tinno might have got the wrong impression thinking it was aimed at the players?, but to be fair shrewsbury turned out a poor first half.
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Post by peterjones1 on Mar 1, 2004 23:31:03 GMT 1
I didn't boo but I agree with TS I got the impression the booing was aimed at the ref and his band of merry muppets...
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Post by ginboomerang on Mar 1, 2004 23:36:30 GMT 1
if youv'e paid your money you have every right to boo if you find performances unacceptable, the correct response from the players is to produce performances that dont give the supporters anything to moan about. Maybe if we had booed louder and longer previously we wouldn't be in the Conference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2004 23:37:00 GMT 1
I also felt the fans were booing the officials not the players.
However I do reserve my right to boo when the town are playing poorly, I did so at half time against Scarborough last week as they were dismal for the first 45 minutes and felt they needed to know how poorly they were playing.
I'll only boo if I feel the team are playing incredibly poorly, I've only booed twice this season at half time last week and Dagenham.
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Post by ianwhit on Mar 1, 2004 23:40:01 GMT 1
my question is do you think it's wrong for tinno to be disappointed with people booing the team, and wrong for him to say it?
i was just going by skippy's first post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2004 23:46:14 GMT 1
As captain of STF tinno has a right to voice his opinions.
To be honest i didn't find his comments the slightest bit offensive and he was obviously speaking from his heart
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 2, 2004 0:21:32 GMT 1
Tinno's a top bloke he's always the last STFC player to leave the pitch home or away to applaud the fan's and make a point of it, in turn i also have alot of time for him for that reason especially at away games, however as a proffesional he must accept that the majority especially at home if not satisfied might boo or show there displeasure. But as i said earlier in this thread i feel the booing wasfor the officals and not the team.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 2, 2004 0:40:04 GMT 1
>>>But as i said earlier in this thread i feel the booing wasfor the officals and not the team. <<<
Not by me in the Riverside it wasn't. Quite clearly it was for the team judging by the comments that were added.
Lets be honest, we 'weren't exactly at the races' were we in the first half, as reported in the Star and as said by the manager. We let Telford run the show by not getting stuck in and claiming all the lose balls like they did.
I didn't boo but felt like joining in - and it did have the desired reaction.
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Post by rcj1959 on Mar 2, 2004 0:55:52 GMT 1
I'm going to stick my head on the chopping block here, but I dont think that Tinson has got a leg to stand on in this instance.I was one of many on the Riverside who was fed up of seeing a team failing to get off the starting blocks until after the half time whistle. We were one down to Scarborough before we began to play exciting second half football, likewise we were poor against Burton and then, to cap it all, in a match that had been built up all week as the BIG game, we had to watch a p**s poor Town side flatter to deceive. Where was the passion that we had expected? At half time we were 1-0 down to a second rate side that we should have been thrashing. Did Tinson expect us to clap them off the pitch on that showing? Perhaps he can tell us why Town cant perform for ninety minutes week in week out? Why we lose 5-0 to a side that is subsequently thrashed 9-0 by a side only just above us in the league. I know that every team has its ups and downs but Town are too inconsistent and our home form leaves too many unanswered questions and too many frustrated supporters who are fed up of being short changed by inconsistent professional footballers.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 2, 2004 1:11:15 GMT 1
What Tinno and Quinny have to realise(though not their fault) our fans are hurt after lat season and wont be cured until we are back in the Football League.
I didnt boo on saturday, I didnt think we played well, but Telford did their job on us and in the second half it changed.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 2, 2004 2:09:14 GMT 1
I thinkt he fans have the right to boo, just like they have the right not to boo
if they think this is bad just wait until we miss out on promotion (still likely)
hell hath no fury like a Shrewsbury fan tormented by 20 years of rubbish football results....
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Post by MartinB on Mar 2, 2004 10:25:05 GMT 1
Spot on TBH. I don't think Jimmy Quinn realises what we all went through last year, and to be fair why should he.
It's just if we missed out on promotion this year but had played really well people would accept it.
The fact is we are only playing well in fits and starts. The manager doesn't appear to know what is best 11 is and how he wants them to play.
The crowd got fully behind the team last year, look where it got us. I think everyone is trying to be supportive but we are not going to make the same mistake as last year.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 2, 2004 12:28:46 GMT 1
Ian, so why is it ok for Tinno to express his opinion, but not the fans As has already been mentioned, this game was built up and built up. There was a lot of expectation and rightly so. So far in my opinion, it was perhaps the biggest game of the season. Not just in terms of potential reward, but what it meant to the Shrewsbury fans. And what did we get served up? A complete load of Carp for the first half. The reality is that I wouldnt boo at half time if the team was loosing 1 or even 2 nil but where playing good football, look like they are trying and have some fire in their bellies. That however wasnt what happened on saturday. Its clear that their passion didnt match up to that of the supporters. Quinn cant moan either, he left our most pivitol player on the subs bench till half time.
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Post by soupie on Mar 2, 2004 12:40:19 GMT 1
Pab must have been watching a different game to me. The river levels were low, so I don't know where he saw the complete load of carp in the first half! The nearest I came to the fish on Saturday was the thought of having prawn sandwiches in the Executive Suite at half time (disappointed again!)
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Post by skipwithrob on Mar 2, 2004 13:01:35 GMT 1
I'm just dissapointed at their (Quinns and Tinnos) failure to understand what happened last season.
It is well documented, that no matter how many greviences people had last year about the side, our defense, our league position, the manager and team continued to get 100% support untill the end of the Carlisle game.
Once burned twice shy and all that. Footballers talk, the world of professional football is a small world. Maybe thats the problem, they expect the fans to be a patient as we were last year.
While I'll lose my temper and shout the occassional comment at the football (like begining of second half against Scarbrough) I do not boo. Last season i shouted down the people who were getting on KR and the teams back (jonah was one), they were right in the end, I was wrong and as a result I fully understand when people decide they are going to boo the team off after another inept first half performance.
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Post by skipwithrob on Mar 2, 2004 13:03:55 GMT 1
Also last season, unlike this season we were actually playing some decent football, we were dominating teams only to lose (like Macclesfield at home). It is harder to boo a team off if they have tried to play football and taken the game to the opposittion only to come unstuck. Maybe Big Jim should take note of this, many of us can tolerate a stuttering Town side and stuttering along in the league if the team is actually going out and taking the game to the opposition.
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