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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 29, 2004 19:51:52 GMT 1
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Post by d00bie on Feb 29, 2004 19:58:49 GMT 1
It reads like they didn't attend because they were arrested or not allowed to go to the match, but i bet they were hooligans from Hull or Lincoln, of that i'm in no doubt.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 29, 2004 20:01:19 GMT 1
Its like Radio Telford read out a football fan had been arested ahead of the game yesterday, what they didnt say it was a hooligan who was banned from Shrewsbury Town centre on a match day.
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Post by RuytonShrew on Feb 29, 2004 20:12:00 GMT 1
In fairness JP, he is banned from the town centre on match days because of a football banning order. Are you suggesting it was a pure coincidence that he chose to break that order on the day of the Shrewsbury v Telford game?? Like it or not, there are isolated incidents of trouble connected with our club (the trouble on the day of the Hereford game wasn't in the ground but was blatantly football related) and we do ourselves no favours by denying the link as it makes it sound like we are trying to brush it under the carpet.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 29, 2004 20:20:52 GMT 1
Chris, what is the truth? He is a banned football hooligan or a football fan? The first option isnt it.
It is (im sorry but its true) the first thing the like of Cllr Fox and his merry men look out for so they can use against STFC and the move to Oteley Road.
Why is it they say Football fan and not Football Hooligan? Or is there not a difference?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 29, 2004 20:25:27 GMT 1
I'm always in the thinking that football hooligans are football fans...
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 29, 2004 20:34:28 GMT 1
Spot the difference!
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 29, 2004 20:35:44 GMT 1
Also came across this one ;D I suggest we now take up cricket too
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Post by RuytonShrew on Feb 29, 2004 20:42:28 GMT 1
Chris, what is the truth? It is (im sorry but its true) the first thing the like of Cllr Fox and his merry men look out for so they can use against STFC and the move to Oteley Road. You are right, Cllr Fox probably will try and use it. BUT, we should not be replying: "oh he's not a football fan, it's not our fault, all us good fans were in the ground" as that makes us sound like we are not doing anything to stop it. What we should be saying is: "Yes, sometimes there are one or two problems but the club is doing all it can to sort it out. The fan in question has been banned by the club and the courts. The club paid a lot of money to have the town well policed. Five arrests at an event attended by more than 6,000 people is a reasonable record. The game simply highlighted the passion for football in Shropshire so please stop stalling and sort out the New Meadow as soon as possible and give the town an attraction to be proud of."
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Post by Pilch on Feb 29, 2004 20:47:18 GMT 1
JP the only difference i can spot in those pictures is that there is an hooligan in the bottom picture with a huge hammer ps i've fined you for the oversized pic
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 29, 2004 20:49:06 GMT 1
That attraction is just around the corner.
But its still a pain calling a hooligan a fan. My brother in law knows or should I say used to know a few of our local hooligans and some had never been to a match, just joined in with the trouble.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Feb 29, 2004 20:53:04 GMT 1
Nice pic that JP sorry i'm going off topic(but at the same time trying to break the ice) lets hope that our cricket team can hit plenty of fours in future matches, is there a pic when one of our batsmen hits "one hundred" lets hope theres a line of ladies for that one ;D
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Post by ShrewsAde on Feb 29, 2004 21:00:12 GMT 1
Well if any of the councellors call it a football problem, just remind them it's actually a social problem, and it's their job to sort social problems out. Remember they were voted in to serve us, they are just servents to voice our requirements.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 29, 2004 21:05:39 GMT 1
JP_Shrew...why put those pictures up? What does that prove? How do know whether those in the top picture aren't in the second (if you get my meaning)? Football hooligans are football fans, unfortunately they also have another agenda...
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Post by Young_Shrewster on Feb 29, 2004 21:06:03 GMT 1
Did you see in that link were they said : A force spokesman said the group threw bottles and officers . They threw OFFICERS?
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 29, 2004 21:11:39 GMT 1
Stutty whether you or anyone likes it or not there is a difference between a football fan and a football hooligan. Yes a lot of football hooligans do have another agenda, they sometimes take in a game , usually were they intend to cause trouble.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 1, 2004 10:19:25 GMT 1
No JP_Shrew, I disagree...you'll find that there are certain football fans who are also football hooligans, simple as...
There were a fair few Chelsea supporters who were over here the other week who weren't exactly on their best behaviour...but they had flown in from London, were at the game and cheering on their side our kid...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2004 10:30:49 GMT 1
Some of the 'hoolies' may go and watch the games and support their team - however IMO any 'fan' who is prepared to risk their clubs reputation or who helps give their club a bad name is not a true football supporter
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 1, 2004 11:03:59 GMT 1
Well that’s all a matter of personal opinion int it and what you define as a football supporter...
What I'm suggesting is that these people are football supporters in that they do follow their team (in exactly the same way you and I do). However, they unfortunately see other unsavoury acts as part and parcel of the match day experience...
Look at Stoke, now that the away fan membership has been introduced the amount of problems at their away games has fallen big time...which shows that those that were causing problems were attending the game and supporting their team...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2004 11:09:08 GMT 1
What I'm suggesting is that these people are football supporters in that they do follow their team (in exactly the same way you and I do). However, they unfortunately see other unsavoury acts as part and parcel of the match day experience... There is a lot of truth in that Stutty although it's inevitable that some people get dragged along purely because they're looking to get involved in a fight etc. re: the definition of a supporter - I also find it hard to fathom that anyone would do anything to damage the reputation of the club etc. - but unfortunatley the hooligans don't think about it in that way.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 1, 2004 13:17:15 GMT 1
Whether they are Hooligans or Fans seems a little irrelivant to me. These are only labels and it is the publics perseption of what happened saturday that will count. I feel quite sure that on your average saturday nite more fights take place and there are more arrests for disorderly behaviour, but we dont get the call to withdraw the licence of any establishment selling alcohol, purely because the vast majority of people enjoyed a peaceful and entertaining nite out. Just like this saturday, when perhaps a dozen arrests where made, but 6000 people had a great ( ish ) time watching the football. I would like to do a poll ( if I new how )but there is one running, asking for predictions of the Sloppy star headlines. " 6000 enjoy match day gala " or " Fans run riot through town leaving carnage and frightened old ladies in their wake "
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Post by Mr T on Mar 1, 2004 14:59:41 GMT 1
It always gets on my nerves when these idiots are associated with football.
If there was no football match, would these idiots be valued members of the community? No they would just be fighting each other somewhere else.
They're not football fans, just idiots using football as a reason to fight with more people. If it wasn't football, they'd move on to fighting somewhere else.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 1, 2004 15:25:11 GMT 1
a fan is someone who wears club colours and goes to football matches when they can
40 people wearing stone island jumpers sitting in the rock and fountain until 4.30pm then deciding to chase Telford fans returning to the station do not fit into that category (didn't happen, just an example)
call them what you want but not fans
they may feel an affinity with the football club but we utterly wash our hands of anything to do with them and reject all that they stand for
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2004 15:59:32 GMT 1
Personally, I think that we are coming at this the wrong way, and that we are entering the realms of 'What is a fan', which is a pretty subjective debate.
There are lots of valid points made elsewhere, and like it or not, had there not been a football match in Shrewsbury on Saturday, the troublemakers wouldn't have been there.
Had Hull not played Lincoln on Saturday, there wouldn't have been 74 arrests.
Do these people watch Match of the Day? Play Sunday League football? Get excited when their team scores?
Some do. Some don't. That's why this is a tricky argument.
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