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Post by crossroads on Nov 15, 2007 17:58:41 GMT 1
Ask GP's UP!! Quite an emmotive one this one!!
What do you failures think of this then?
Could someone add the link, Mine wont work...IM A FAILURE!!!
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Post by nickjonesey on Nov 15, 2007 19:24:53 GMT 1
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Post by Browny on Nov 15, 2007 19:48:41 GMT 1
Re- The Last Question.
He says we might have to wait until next year for the younger players to get better, last year it was wait until we had a better playing surface. He is always asking us to wait another year. What happens if we do consolidate this year, say finish 12th and then we are medicore again next year, what will be his excuse then? I hate waiting.
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Post by WestonSMareShrew on Nov 15, 2007 20:12:43 GMT 1
Hats off to GP great Ask Gary, Fantastic answers. Has my full support, Keep up the Good Work Gary. Just need all the Supporters to get behind the Squad and not on their backs, and we might even get somewhere. notworthy notworthy notworthy
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Nov 15, 2007 20:20:55 GMT 1
I agree fair play to him.
I'm prepared to give the guy a chance, so I'm prepared at the roth of friends of mine to nail my colours to the Peters mast for now (which is probably worse than a vote of confidence). We have improved each game (I didnt see Darlo) though, but we are nowhere near where we were even ten games ago, and for me that is the most frustrating part.
I dont see the sense in change for change sakes. Always believe long term, but you musnt be afraid to question when things arent going right. Like everything you get extremes. Whats concerning me is that it is going to take a hell of a lot to get everyone back on side, and I have my doubts that the current team can do what we did twelve months even with a fit Cooke, Davies, Jones etc. But I live in hope. Fortune favours the brave.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Nov 15, 2007 20:23:51 GMT 1
Hey thanks for trying to answer my question Mr Peters.
Big game Barnet Gary
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 20:25:04 GMT 1
In Peters we trust!
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Post by fac63 on Nov 15, 2007 20:31:13 GMT 1
He certainly talks the talk. I must admit, I'm beginning to think that he will get it right, eventually. STFC aren't like other clubs, so let's not panic and get shot of our manager and then regret it down the line.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 21:01:40 GMT 1
"Are you going to consider the 2 years 11 months of progress or are you jsut going to look at the 10 games".
I love that quote.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 15, 2007 21:41:16 GMT 1
Re- The Last Question. He says we might have to wait until next year for the younger players to get better, last year it was wait until we had a better playing surface. He is always asking us to wait another year. What happens if we do consolidate this year, say finish 12th and then we are medicore again next year, what will be his excuse then? I hate waiting. Well I know I've written off this season, we just have to sit tight and see what comes about next time around now. Which, I agree, as a supporter is frustrating...its going to be a long wait. I guess after the trip to Wembley and the move to Oteley Road we expected more, its disapointing to see how the season has gone so far. The one and only highlight could well be an away win at bottom of the table Wxm... So I guess its down to whether folk are prepared to wait for next season and see if Peters can deliver then... Thats how I see it anyhows...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 21:42:51 GMT 1
You've already written off this season Stutty? I know we're in a terrible run but teams show time and time again in this division - ourselves and Bristol Rovers as great examples, that you don't need a good first half of the season to achieve things overall.
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Post by shrewsace on Nov 15, 2007 21:59:51 GMT 1
On the subject of stability and long term planning, did anyone hear Simon Jordan's views on the subject.
Speaking on Sky Sports this morning he said something along the lines of 'the idea that sticking with one manager in the hope it will bring stability continuity is complete rubbish, just look at Crewe, they stuck with Gradi for years, they might have brought through a few young players but where did the football club go? Just up and down , up and down.
I've always been of the opinion the bloke is a complete prick, although did have a grudging respect for his refusal to pay agenst fees but for that ridiculous statement he should be forced to wear a sandwich board which reads 'I KNOW **** ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL' for the rest of his sorry days!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 15, 2007 22:06:46 GMT 1
You've already written off this season Stutty? I know we're in a terrible run but teams show time and time again in this division - ourselves and Bristol Rovers as great examples, that you don't need a good first half of the season to achieve things overall. Very good runs Ant, no doubt about it. Superb run and a great achievement getting to Wembley. But twice in two seasons? I just think thats asking too much of the manager and players our kid...I just dont think we can expect the same this time around... Hope I'm wrong, mind...
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Post by soupie on Nov 15, 2007 22:14:37 GMT 1
Not just us Stutty.
This time last year, 3 of the final top 7 were 12th or lower. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 22:18:45 GMT 1
You've already written off this season Stutty? I know we're in a terrible run but teams show time and time again in this division - ourselves and Bristol Rovers as great examples, that you don't need a good first half of the season to achieve things overall. Very good runs Ant, no doubt about it. Superb run and a great achievement getting to Wembley. But twice in two seasons? I just think thats asking too much of the manager and players our kid...I just dont think we can expect the same this time around... Hope I'm wrong, mind... Me neither - but we started that run in 17th place at the turn of the year - we've got 6 weeks until then.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Nov 15, 2007 23:09:19 GMT 1
On the subject of stability and long term planning, did anyone hear Simon Jordan's views on the subject. Speaking on Sky Sports this morning he said something along the lines of 'the idea that sticking with one manager in the hope it will bring stability continuity is complete rubbish, just look at Crewe, they stuck with Gradi for years, they might have brought through a few young players but where did the football club go? Just up and down , up and down. I've always been of the opinion the bloke is a complete prick, although did have a grudging respect for his refusal to pay agenst fees but for that ridiculous statement he should be forced to wear a sandwich board which reads 'I KNOW **** ALL ABOUT football' for the rest of his sorry days! Just shows what Jordan knows about football. Crewe is the worst example he could have chosen. They have punched above their weight for years since Dario over. Just look at the size of crowds they get too. From 1969 to 1982 they were stuck in the bottom league, Division Four, and were regulars up for re-election. No such thing as relegation from the bottom league in those days. In fact their highest finishing position during the period above I have quote was 12th in the 76/77 season. 14 seasons of finishing in the bottom half of the bottom league with 12 different managers before Dario and stability. Since 1983, 9 seasons in the bottom league, 8 seasons in the third tier and 8 seasons in the second tier.
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Post by jayshrews on Nov 15, 2007 23:21:36 GMT 1
Best Q&A ive read from Gary notworthy
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Nov 15, 2007 23:38:30 GMT 1
On the subject of stability and long term planning, did anyone hear Simon Jordan's views on the subject. Speaking on Sky Sports this morning he said something along the lines of 'the idea that sticking with one manager in the hope it will bring stability continuity is complete rubbish, just look at Crewe, they stuck with Gradi for years, they might have brought through a few young players but where did the football club go? Just up and down , up and down. I've always been of the opinion the bloke is a complete prick, although did have a grudging respect for his refusal to pay agenst fees but for that ridiculous statement he should be forced to wear a sandwich board which reads 'I KNOW **** ALL ABOUT football' for the rest of his sorry days! Just shows what Jordan knows about football. Crewe is the worst example he could have chosen. They have punched above their weight for years since Dario over. Just look at the size of crowds they get too. From 1969 to 1982 they were stuck in the bottom league, Division Four, and were regulars up for re-election. No such thing as relegation from the bottom league in those days. In fact their highest finishing position during the period above I have quote was 12th in the 76/77 season. 14 seasons of finishing in the bottom half of the bottom league with 12 different managers before Dario and stability. Since 1983, 9 seasons in the bottom league, 8 seasons in the third tier and 8 seasons in the second tier. Crewe were a laughing stock before Gradi and were one of the clubs usually quoted to illustrate the iniquity of the 'old pals act' which assured their continued undeserved re-election to the League.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 16, 2007 9:15:29 GMT 1
Not just us Stutty. This time last year, 3 of the final top 7 were 12th or lower. :-) Welshshrew Righto...then maybe I'm being a tad premature... Up the Town!!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 16, 2007 11:07:08 GMT 1
That is a good set of answers and he has cleared up a few things for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2007 11:49:53 GMT 1
Re- The Last Question. He says we might have to wait until next year for the younger players to get better, last year it was wait until we had a better playing surface. He is always asking us to wait another year. What happens if we do consolidate this year, say finish 12th and then we are medicore again next year, what will be his excuse then? I hate waiting. Hate to see the size of your credit card debt then
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Post by Namur on Nov 16, 2007 16:27:34 GMT 1
I think GP is well within his right to criticize some areas of the crowd and to label them 'failures'.
It's not arrogant, it's true. Some people are failing the team IMO.
Much is made of 'the 12th man' but it can easily work against a team if the home crowd is on the players backs after 10 minutes.
One one or two occasions recently I've felt embarrassed by the actions of some of our support.
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Post by champagneprince on Nov 16, 2007 18:19:22 GMT 1
Well we can go on forever arguing for and against Gary Peters. Likewise he can continue to defend himself and his team.
The bottom line is though that the fans will get behind the team if there is some flair and excitement (as in the 20 minutes versus Walsall). People work their nuts off all week and want to be entertained, the people paying his wages are choosing to do that watching Shrewsbury Town FC. He has a duty to entertain them and to get realistic results that the fans are happy with.
At the moment the fans are seeing neither and if it continues then more and more fans will question his position.
I'll be cheering him on until the New Year but if we're in the bottom 4 and still playing unexciting football then i'll be calling for his head. Thats my personal tolerance level, but others will be far less lenient than myself and others will be more lenient. Every fan has a right to his opinion. GP should stop defending his position and just give us the results and football that we want.
Anyone can talk the talk and work hard in their job but you've got to walk the walk as well (which up until now GP has done more than satisfactorily although not outstandingly). In the entertainment industry you also need to entertain people as well !!!
Come on GP, tomorrow is a big day. Exciting football and a 2 or 3 nil win will get the fans back on side !
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Post by Minor on Nov 17, 2007 11:40:18 GMT 1
I think GP is well within his right to criticize some areas of the crowd and to label them 'failures'. It's not arrogant, it's true. Some people are failing the team IMO. Much is made of 'the 12th man' but it can easily work against a team if the home crowd is on the players backs after 10 minutes. One one or two occasions recently I've felt embarrassed by the actions of some of our support. Those 'failures' probably work hard all week EARN £250 to take home and pay their way and then spend £?? at STFC to watch players , most of whom are no doubt being paid considerably more than that, show a lack of interest, endeavour or whatever on the pitch, so I would point out that the 'failures' are more than entitled to give out a bit of stick, because no doubt if they performed their job in a sinilar fashion they would be getting their P45 pretty sharpish, also if GP continues to spout forth in such a manner he will soon start alienating considerably more of the 'failures' who hand over their cash to keep him getting his monthly pay cheque.
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