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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 18, 2004 18:35:00 GMT 1
by Booing? less of that rubbish Jimmy, you are sounding more like Mick Jones by the day! I would suggest the opposition were given the advantage by: 1) playing yourself 2) playing 4-3-3 with no pace up front 3) playing such a poorly executed long ball game 4) leaving Sammy on when obviously injured 5) not giving Tolley a run out 6) leaving Street and Edwards outnumbered in midfield The fans this year have been awesome, amazingly commited, positive, vocal, travelling the length and breadth of the country to watch a very disappointing team We have seen one good, many mediocre, and a few dire performances. We deserve better than this, and blaming us in any way is just lazy and cowardly. We'll be here long after you've gone, and if you dare to blame us for your shortcomings you are gonna find yourself a pretty lonely man soon Most dissappointed.
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 18, 2004 18:44:04 GMT 1
Unfortunately some of the stuff he's coming out with recently is all too reminiscent of Ratcliffe!
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Post by R6ix on Jan 18, 2004 18:46:27 GMT 1
very harsh words mr throb, but painfully true non the less. we put up with being s**t last season , this season we have no reason to be nor expect to be
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Post by Theoneandonly on Jan 18, 2004 19:03:46 GMT 1
Anyone read "A large scotch"? It has some of the stupid things Ratcliffe used to say- favourite was "When our 2 centre backs play, we don't get beaten" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 18, 2004 19:06:27 GMT 1
I don't think Ratcliffe ever blamed us though
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Post by shrewforever on Jan 18, 2004 19:24:34 GMT 1
Steady on Throb,me old mate,I dont thing he blamed the fans did he? I got the impression he was dissapointed with the booing and said they could be more patient......... I agree with you entirely hes bang out of order with comments like those,but he didnt blame us for a cr@p performance................that was the pitch.In fact I dont seem to recall him saying it was even a poor show,in fact it was a point gained If he did blame the fans I'll stand corrected so then please disregard this post.
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 18, 2004 19:27:25 GMT 1
Ratcliffe traits ...
Blaming the pitch...
Talking up and being happy with poor performances...
Thinking that two points dropped is a point gained...
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 18, 2004 19:35:38 GMT 1
it was on the radio that Quinn has asked fans to be more patient because booing "hands the impetus" to the opposition
which in effect is saying Accrington tried harder because we booed our team, and so we are part of the problem
which in effect is saying we are partially to blame
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Post by shrewforever on Jan 18, 2004 19:42:28 GMT 1
umhh.........remind me never to upset you Throb
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 18, 2004 19:46:31 GMT 1
he he he, I really am not that scary at all, far from it, just a disillussioned football fan!
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 18, 2004 19:47:01 GMT 1
He blamed us rather than saying "Our performance was poor and quite rightly the fans were'nt happy"
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Post by shrewforever on Jan 18, 2004 19:57:14 GMT 1
Final thing on this from me...........I have to admit last night after the game I was very disapointed with another ppp(thats not short for The Prof...interesting coincidence though )............. I was giving Martin B the sp on my mobile and he said"Well I hope you deal with your anger ok and safe trip home"...... I said "I'm not angry Mart,just bloody dissapointed.frustrated and confused" When I got in I heard JQ's post match.................then I was angry,and still am...........crassly idiotic comments.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 18, 2004 20:02:37 GMT 1
i totally agree with that Shrewsforever, I was just about coping with another dire display when I heard the Quinn Reaper (Copyright, SeanBrosely 2004) on the radio and I just thought, this guy is living in some sort of dream world
I am not falling for it, the players aren't either
then the headline sports story on the radio today was that quinn is saying the fans need to be more patient and we handed the impetus to accrington. That is just not true. We handed the impetus to Accrington about an hour before the game when the teamsheet was given out with his name on it, and a formation that put our best attacker and an 18 year old with Streety against a five man midfield.
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 18, 2004 20:05:53 GMT 1
Final thing on this from me...........I have to admit last night after the game I was very disapointed with another ppp(thats not short for The Prof...interesting coincidence though )............. The charlatan ;D
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Post by shrewforever on Jan 18, 2004 20:15:29 GMT 1
Cant think why I never saw it earlier Professor Didnt know about the radio stuff today Throb,that is rubbing salt in the wounds,no need for it............. We all make mistakes JQ included...............should come clean and admit yesterday was a balls up.Been telling us all season teams will come to the Meadow and spoil games and try to stop us playing................and what answer do we have.................none.
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Post by MartinB on Jan 18, 2004 20:22:45 GMT 1
Anyone who went to Accrington knew what they were going to be like on Saturday. If their keeper was time wasting in the first half of a HOME game he was always going to be worse away from home.
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Post by Nick on Jan 18, 2004 22:35:21 GMT 1
Spot on Martin. OK it was a poor performance from Salop, but remember Accy Stanley ARE the form team in the Conf ATT. They came for the draw, packed midfield, and worked their nuts off. I defy any "Quality" team at any level to break down a team like that. Their manger also complained about the pitch, intresting that. I say again but some folk on this board have got it in for JQ, and only look at negatives. WISE UP.
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Post by ShrewsAde on Jan 18, 2004 22:50:46 GMT 1
I agree with you Dave (TBH)
when you watch a game at home against Accrington Stanley, you expect at least one shot on target in the first half.
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Post by Get into em on Jan 18, 2004 23:06:10 GMT 1
Spot on Martin. OK it was a poor performance from Salop, but remember Accy Stanley ARE the form team in the Conf ATT.....but some folk on this board have got it in for JQ, and only look at negatives. WISE UP. you're absolutely right Nick. Shrewsbury Town should be s**ttin themselves of Accrington Stanley shouldnt we? total rubbish - when we're happy to get a draw with teams like that STFC are dead. they were pathetic and us awful. ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. JQ needs to sort many things out, not least; whether he should play, the formation that is best, sensible subs. yesterday saw all 3 of those WRONG.
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Post by Tony_HullShrew on Jan 18, 2004 23:33:21 GMT 1
If my memory serves me correctly, Quinn said that he had heard that the Accrington manager had used the booing of the Town players in his half time pep talk. Too right. If I was him I would have said get out there and kick @ss while the Town players are down in the dumps still. Get the fans booing more and the Shrewsbury players will never recover. If I was a Town player, I'd say is it worth it to go out there and get booed - its only half time! Personally I think that the fans behaviour (and I wasn't booing) will have done more harm than good and won't make any player want to stay at the club. I'm sorry, If we lose Duane Derby, Kevin Street, Jody banim, etc we won't necessarily get as good as replacements, and it is the good players that will move on, not the the mediocre.
As for the game, I saw good defending from both sides and the only team that looked anything like scoring was us. This was against a team currently firing on almost all cylinders and beating league opposition (until last week). OK, not the brightest of games, but we had our periods of putting pressure on, mainly lacking anyone in the box to pass to. We made our mistakes, but we are a team clearly in a play-off place, still in contention for the title (note that we got more points than Hereford or Chester) who played a mediocre game. I can't think that any other team's supporters in this position would be booing their team and calling for the manager to be sacked. It is plain crazy. Yes, we need to play better than we did to progress to retain our position or progress, but a couple of dodgy games and being close to the top of the form table does not mean the end of the world. As for comparisons with Ratcliffe, we did take a tumble down the table at the end of the season, but I don't remember our form in the earlier half of the season being as good as this season. I also note in the NLP that the Accrington manager reckoned that we would have played better if the pitch had been better (most manager's would have blamed the pitch only for their own team's performance).
Rant over!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 18, 2004 23:56:03 GMT 1
Well I didn't agree with the booing. (that's as positive as this post is going to get Ian Whitfield).
The first half was split into two.
We started quite positively, but this turned around about half way through. Firstly, the Accrington defence finally notice of the goalie and started to play much further up the field. Secondly, Aiston got nobbled.
I think the lack of pace upfront allowed the defence to do that.
Some people have questioned the application in yesterday's game. I think that is wrong. Everyone tried to turn in a performance for 90 minutes, at no stage did we sit back and not try to make the breakthrough happen.
And in the second half things were really no better. Accrington did throw another defender on and so we did have more possession in their half, but we should have responded more positively with the second half substitutions. Moving Street out wide was not the answer. Last 20 minutes cried out for Glenn Tolley's ability to get past people and cross the ball. And I think it would have given young Edwards a further filip (he showed how special he is even in these straitened circumstances).
No this game, for me, was there for the taking but the bench didn't want it.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2004 0:05:24 GMT 1
the ref should have booked their keeper early on in the 2nd half
he was doing every time wasting trick in the book
checking with the lino to see if he was in the right place coming to meet the ball boy and then accidentally missing the throw from the ball boy/fan goal kicks from the opposite side
they were all at it one player deliberately threw threw the ball a mile over the keepers head when giving it back
there should have been a few yellows and a lot more than 3 minutes added on
sour grapes maybe, but it gets to you
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 19, 2004 0:07:24 GMT 1
No this game, for me, was there for the taking but the bench didn't want it. Quinn said in his post-match interview that he changed it to 4-4-2 when O'Connor came on in order to "tighten up a bit", that tends to support what you're saying there Sean
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 19, 2004 0:07:38 GMT 1
I could almost sense a tear then Pilch
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 19, 2004 0:39:34 GMT 1
I don't want Jimmy Quinn to be sacked, but I do want him to stop playing
If I was at work and 4,000 people who paid my wages booed my poor efforts it would spur me on to improve what I was doing
If it just makes them all upset and play even worse, then they obviously don't have any backbone and should not be playing professional football
again, the fans who booed (and I didn't at half time) get labelled as traitors when actually all they did was care about our club SO MUCH that a dire performance hurt them
judging by Quinn's comments in the press and the players second half response that dire performance didn't hurt them. They are taking the mick out of STFC if they think that is good enough and i shudder to think what our younger fans think football is all about, we are being grossly short-changed and vocalising that is our right
then we add all the weird and wonderful rumours emanating from the club and we know whatever is happening it is pretty chaotic, and I fear what happens on the pitch is just the tip of an ice berg
We have a coach who is not qualified to coach and a physio who is not qualified to be a physio
don't the fans have a right to question what is going on?
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Post by Baafly on Jan 19, 2004 16:21:11 GMT 1
It's all about expectation, isn't it?
Prompted by being at a low footballing level, fuelled by a terrific pre-season, ignited by hanging on to our best young players... In all my years of supporting Salop, I've never known the fans to have such a high level of expectancy.
And if that expectancy is not matched by on-pitch performances then, inevitably, expectancy turns into impatience, frustration, and even anger.
But we've seen a lot of football, haven't we? We know that a journeyman team that works its collective nuts off can, and frequently does, stop and even turn over a collection of more talented players. It used to be us doing it in the old Division 2. Now it's Margate, Stevenage, Leigh RMI, Tamworth and Accrington doing it to us.
When you're watching the preliminaries of a European club competition game, how often do you hear an expert (be it a manager or ex-player) say "It's vital that Blighty Utd close down and frustrate Real Fancydan and subdue their crowd"? Are they talking pure excreta? These are men who know what it's like to play in front of a lot more people than we've ever got at Gay Meadow. They should know what they're talking about.
So when an under-dog team comes to the best-supported, best-financed club in the Conference and, not only do they quieten the crowd down, but they get them booing their own team after a mere 45 minutes, they must be rather encouraged, wouldn't you think?
I know it's difficult, but we should try and restrain our frustration and impatience. Getting on our players' backs not only puts more pressure on them, it boosts the opposition as well.
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Post by True_Shrew on Jan 19, 2004 16:54:30 GMT 1
Totally agree Baafly, spot on.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Jan 19, 2004 17:29:43 GMT 1
Thing is when did the Town fans boo! Half time and Full time! And not everyone did! And what about all the singing we did, or is JQ deaf as well as being a not very intelligent person it seems, allegely plimmer now sitting firmly on the fence!!
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