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Post by wiganshrew2 on May 13, 2005 10:51:38 GMT 1
What is the most annoying stereotype? Footballers must get really p**** off with being strereotyped as "thick". There's one or two of our lads with degrees or similar, isn't there? And some who are planning to do one. Certain jobs- hairdressers get stereotyped as thick, yet many run their own business and are very astute. Naturally, I get annoyed with the "You're only fit for the scrapheap- saga holidays, T.V. ..etc" You tend to get when you're older! I was reading what that Scottish woman said, who, at the age of 60, was called in to turn round a tough failing school- the one at which Phillip Lawrence was stabbed. She made a good point- she said the press would referred to her as a "battling grandmother!" - and she said they wouldn't say that about a man. Well- they never referred to Michael Howard as a "battling grandfather" did they? And he IS a grandfather! That was precisely the reason I kept my age a secret for so long!!!! If I'd said straight away- I'd have been written off - and consigned to getting my husband's dinner and baby-sitting the grandchildren. When you're young you can be stereotyped as scatterbrained, irresponsible and loopy- and when you're older people suspect senility!!! People dismiss young ones' opinions and say "It's past your bedtime!"- stuff like that. Yet I've known 12 year olds say things that are deep, reasoned and would put some older people to shame. At what age does anyone get taken seriously? 18- 40 , maybe? One thing I can say, it is possible, at any age, to establish credibility in your work. That's one reason I don't want to give it up for quite a while. There's a lot of mutual respect at work, for anyone who's earned it. AND- it puts me in contact with young people, and kids who want someone to listen to what they have to say. I'd say, forget age, forget job- take people - and that includes the under 16s- for what they are. However- I don't mind being the B&A grandmother. I love my family and I'm proud of them- and that's as much of an achievement as anything.
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Post by rob on May 13, 2005 11:13:15 GMT 1
having a skinhead makes you a hooligan apparantly Also the idea that young people are naive and stupid. A lot of older people would be surprised at how on the ball and politically active a lot of young people are, having said that they still wouldnt acknowledge it Oh and about how easy the young people of modern society have it in comparrison to our parents and grandparents. Granted we dont have to work down a coalmine, granted we have greater protection under the human rights etc... But there are still alot of pressures on young people, not least this idea of testing young people every sodding year, almost as if they were a component in a machine. The amount of stress thsi causes young people from the age of 10 right up to A-Levels (after 3 solid years of exams) is not condusive to raising and moulding well rounded individuals who will be of benefit to todays society.
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Post by wiganshrew2 on May 13, 2005 11:35:24 GMT 1
having a skinhead makes you a hooligan apparantly Also the idea that young people are naive and stupid. A lot of older people would be surprised at how on the ball and politically active a lot of young people are, having said that they still wouldnt acknowledge it Oh and about how easy the young people of modern society have it in comparrison to our parents and grandparents. Granted we dont have to work down a coalmine, granted we have greater protection under the human rights etc... But there are still alot of pressures on young people, not least this idea of testing young people every sodding year, almost as if they were a component in a machine. The amount of stress thsi causes young people from the age of 10 right up to A-Levels (after 3 solid years of exams) is not condusive to raising and moulding well rounded individuals who will be of benefit to todays society. Absolutely! You're spot-on about the pressures. I went to a Gramar School- and we weren't "tested into the ground" like the students of today. End of term tests weren't so official and nerve-wracking. My son-in-law plays golf with a teacher from Wolverhapton. This guy is nearing retirement age - and he's known the times when it wasn't so pressured. He thinks there's FAR too much pressure on young people today. The irony of it is that they say exams are being "dumbed down" and so on. I took Cambridge Board GCEs - it was THAT far back!! And I can't see it- I didn't have to do loads and loads of coursework. We just had exams and a lot of guidance in how to answer the questions. I really do feel for kids and young people today. Even the very young kids are tested on their ability to write for a certain "audience" and to understand about genre and register. And yes- I DO avoid saying "in the old days... you don't know what it was like, you've got it soft...etc... " I tend to think it was DIFFERENT- but not harder. I'd hate to have had to put up with the pressures young people have today. Perhaps some older people think younger ones are naive - because THEY were at their age!!! It's a bad preparation for life. Young people are more clued up and that's a good thing. As for judging people on what they wear! I remember only too well when I came home for the holidays in Hippy clothes and my mother shouted at me and said people would think I was pregnant. You couldn't dress unusual in Market Drayton in those days. So the memory is still sharp in my mind- I wouldn't do it. Except say, if I was a bit worried that Leah, for example, was wearing something that sent out the wrong "message" and would compromise her saftety. But- by the same token- it's VERY annoying when a younger person can do something forgetful when rushing- forget car keys or something- and it's O.K.- but if you do that and you're older you get accused of creeping senility!!!! All of which tells me that we can ALL learn a few lessons in respect for each other. (I'm still learning- every day- and it's the kids who are teaching me!! )
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Post by jamo on May 13, 2005 11:40:17 GMT 1
Also the idea that young people are naive and stupid. A lot of older people would be surprised at how on the ball and politically active a lot of young people are, having said that they still wouldnt acknowledge it . MIAOW...... ;D 1-0
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Post by wiganshrew2 on May 13, 2005 11:44:41 GMT 1
No, Jamo- no cattiness, no contest- this is just a debate between intelligent people!!! Some good pints have been made. I certainly don't look to score any points- just understand- and learn.
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Post by rob on May 13, 2005 11:46:10 GMT 1
its systematic of society as a whole, not just you jamo
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Post by tattooshrew on May 13, 2005 11:58:27 GMT 1
I have three earrings in each ear, some large very visible tattoos, guess what people think what I am! Have even had the police try to prevent me from getting to GM on one occasion for no apparent reason other than the way I look. People do treat me a bit differently now I dont have a skinhead though. You really cant judge a book by its cover.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2005 12:01:17 GMT 1
I hate the stereotype that students are lazy people who don't do any work. Ok - maybe this is true for media studies students (Kidding ) but in general being a student can be reasonably tough if you're studying a tough subject and want to do well.
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Post by mike-in-cairo on May 13, 2005 12:16:26 GMT 1
why is it that black people are often given the label of ' having a chip on their shoulder' ?!
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Post by WindsorShrew on May 13, 2005 12:30:29 GMT 1
I have very recent experiance on this subject, whilst job hunting recently after completing 24 years with HM Forces.
At an interview i was told "you do realise we dont shout at people here to get things done"! TV and poor news media coverage have given people a poor and negative view of Britains Armed Forces.
Often highlighting the few idiots like those taking pictures of Iraqi abuse as the norm, what about the tens of thousands of others risking life and limb daily saving lives and helping people.
There are some incredible people in all 3 arms of the Forces, kind, caring and utterly professional. I count myself extremely lucky to have served with such men and women.
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Post by scooter on May 13, 2005 16:12:15 GMT 1
I have three earrings in each ear, some large very visible tattoos, guess what people think what I am! Have even had the police try to prevent me from getting to GM on one occasion for no apparent reason other than the way I look. People do treat me a bit differently now I dont have a skinhead though. You really cant judge a book by its cover. At one time my brother would get searched and questioned when going into the Meadow because he was wearing his leather jacket. When he didn't wear it he always went straight in Doesn't happen now, he is older and hardly ever goes to a match. It always used to amuse the rest of us though.
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Post by pawlo on May 13, 2005 16:15:58 GMT 1
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Post by scooter on May 13, 2005 16:18:53 GMT 1
You are all just geeks sat at your computer anyway
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Post by islay malt on May 13, 2005 16:33:03 GMT 1
I have very recent experiance on this subject, whilst job hunting recently after completing 24 years with HM Forces. At an interview i was told "you do realise we dont shout at people here to get things done"! TV and poor news media coverage have given people a poor and negative view of Britains Armed Forces. Often highlighting the few idiots like those taking pictures of Iraqi abuse as the norm, what about the tens of thousands of others risking life and limb daily saving lives and helping people. There are some incredible people in all 3 arms of the Forces, kind, caring and utterly professional. I count myself extremely lucky to have served with such men and women. Now this post is really funny. Not taking anything away from the substance of the argument - I was 'involved' with the MOD for over 15 years and recognise how many superb people serve their country. However - WindsorShrew, he/she who, as much as anyone, promotes the ludicrous steriotype of United fans being 'Southerners' who don't give a "feck" about other clubs who might be in trouble, is maybe the last person who has the right to complain when others steriotype him/her. I guess,Wiggy (I really enjoy your posts, by the way) you can guess which steriotype annoys me the most
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Post by WindsorShrew on May 13, 2005 16:47:50 GMT 1
FAO ISlay Malt. You are way off the mark, when did I say Man Utd fans are "southerners" and when did I say "don't give a feck about other clubs being in trouble". Let me tell you "I didn't" I suggest you do a little more research into your facts before you misquote other members. At the end of the day this is a Shrewsbury website so why do you have to keep going on about Man Bl**dy United, may I suggest if you care for them so much you go on their website for collective moaning therapy.
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Post by soupie on May 13, 2005 17:25:58 GMT 1
It can't all be bad, that bloke Glazer probably lives as close to old Trafford as a lot of other Man Utd fans, they could always share a ride......
A post by Windsor Shrew on the Glazer thread. I think that sums up the first part of what Islay Malt is saying
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Post by lazyshrew on May 13, 2005 17:39:10 GMT 1
Ive got a few that have annoyed me...
I remember one teacher a few years back in year7 saying "young people shouldnt have opinions"! thats the worst comment i have ever heard from a teacher. Teachers are supposed to be encouraging not patronising.
There is a newsagents near the Gay Meadow (the one that sells the matchday programmes) and the older bloke who works in there will stare at any young people and he is also very rude to young people, he is under the impression that all young people are going to steal from him.
Generaly its the attitude of a minority of adults towards younger people that offends me. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX
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Post by izzitme on May 13, 2005 19:10:26 GMT 1
LazyShrew That newsagent takes that attitude with almost everybody who goes in the shop. I deliver his post some days & he is the same with me. If I could avoid going in there I would
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