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Post by Bilbo on Apr 29, 2005 7:53:48 GMT 1
I have put this messege on the main board because I think a few on here would like to read the answer to my question Sister Pab, You are working in the NHS at the moment and I was wondering if Michael Howard and his party get elected next Thursday would this scenario happen if their policies are put into place? Their idea for the NHS is to offer the public 1/2 the cost of an operation if they go private. Now would this cause cue jumping by the better off? Would it cause a bigger delay for the less well off because the consultants will be presurised to complete their private work? And finally will this policy drain funds from other parts of the NHS as the better off start taking advantage of this cut price cue jumping scheme? I only ask because you probally understand more than most of us
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2005 8:23:32 GMT 1
I have put this messege on the main board because I think a few on here would like to read the answer to my question Sister Pab, You are working in the NHS at the moment and I was wondering if Michael Howard and his party get elected next Thursday would this scenario happen if their policies are put into place? Their idea for the NHS is to offer the public 1/2 the cost of an operation if they go private. Now would this cause cue jumping by the better off? Would it cause a bigger delay for the less well off because the consultants will be presurised to complete their private work? And finally will this policy drain funds from other parts of the NHS as the better off start taking advantage of this cut price cue jumping scheme? I only ask because you probally understand more than most of us Bilbo owd lad, I'm guessing you're not a Tory sympathiser because that set of questions is heavily loaded and you're only going to get one answer from them... not fair at all.
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 29, 2005 8:26:10 GMT 1
Bilbo owd lad, I'm guessing you're not a Tory sympathiser because that set of questions is heavily loaded and you're only going to get one answer from them... not fair at all. Well can you you argue against them Ant? It crossed my mind after watching QT last night and Hoowards answers
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2005 8:29:19 GMT 1
Well can you you argue against them Ant? It crossed my mind after watching QT last night and Hoowards answers If you are that confident that the Tories policy is that bad you can ask totally un-biased questions and get a fair response, with arguments from both sides. Or are you slightly worried that the Tories may make big gains in the election next week?
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Post by OldGit on Apr 29, 2005 8:29:57 GMT 1
Cue Jumping? is that what snooker players do to keep fit
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 29, 2005 8:34:40 GMT 1
I haven't really got any biased towards a party I used to be an actice member of the Labour Party and even stood for Harlescott in 94 for Councillor, but lost to Eileen Sandford. I resigned from the party because I was dissalusioned with Blair because believe it or not I thought he was turning a Socialist paty into another form of Tory. My so called loaded questions are genuine and I need a reply. Can you answer them Ant to save me waiting for Sister Pab?
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 29, 2005 8:35:31 GMT 1
Cue Jumping? is that what snooker players do to keep fit Ooo !!!! I mean't queue
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Post by pawlo on Apr 29, 2005 9:42:40 GMT 1
You stood against eileen Sandford? Sir, my hat doesnt just come off to you, but i also trample on it with my size ten doc martins . I must know you, although not personally. I was a student nurse at the time living with my mum in beaufort green, before she kicked me out , and i had the misfortune of getting accomodation in the nurses flats at RSH ;D To answer your question, and i wil try to answer from a non political point of veiw. Nothing in the Tory proposals is aimed at improving the NHS. It is aimed purely at making things better for certain individuals who use the NHS. That in my opinion is a basic flaw. The Tory proposals dont seem to highlight how paying privately will allow the NHS to pay for more equiptment, more radiographers, more soneographers, more physios, more OTs, more Doctors and Nurses and pharmacists. It doesnt even show how you can expand private health care. At present, many hundreds of thousands of people "choose" to go private. That is thier choice and i dont particularly have a problem with it. They honour their social commitment by paying into the NHS, but get also, the private facilitise they pay for on top. No one makes them use private medicine. Infact, if the NHS had been run properly (by all sides) over the last 50 yerars, my guess is Private health care would be almost unheard of now. So specifics. 1) If you have a heart attack in the middle of the street, you willl want to go to A&E at RSH, not the Nuffield. It is right that peeepil still pay towards the NHS even if they choose to use private health care after. 2) Many peeeepill use private health care now, will that many more really use it if they have £4000 knocked off a bill of £10 K. I know my parents couldnt afford to find £6K. So the proposals make no difference to them. My basic premise on this, and i could be wrong, but if you can afford £6K, you can afford £10K. 3) What the NHS really needs, is continued long term investment and time. The NHS is massive. There is so much wrong with it, so much to put right. Where Labour went wrong was by makng it sound like they would put it right in an instant. It is going to take years. 4) As a nation, we only have so many people who can work in hospitals, or indeed want to. By expanding the private sector, we increase competition for jobs between the private and public sector. The NHS has a huge retention problem at the moment, i dread to think what would happen if the private sector started taking even more of our doctors, nurses, ect. There is no place for competition within the health sector.
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 29, 2005 9:48:26 GMT 1
The other day I was looking at my old pamphlet from then, I looked like Gerry Adams . I lost by 81 votes Thaks for the answers, made interesting reading
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Post by Zatapec on Apr 29, 2005 10:31:03 GMT 1
The other day I was looking at my old pamphlet from then, I looked like Gerry Adams . I lost by 81 votes Thaks for the answers, made interesting reading Wise people those inhabitants of Harlescott.
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Post by grinfish on Apr 29, 2005 16:13:54 GMT 1
The other day I was looking at my old pamphlet from then, I looked like Gerry Adams . I lost by 81 votes Thaks for the answers, made interesting reading Anything to get the Irish vote Dave
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Post by Dicky Knee on Apr 29, 2005 16:51:28 GMT 1
Their idea for the National Transportation Problem is to offer the public 1/2 the cost of a car if they want to buy one privately. Now would this cause queue jumping by the better off? Would it cause a bigger delay to the rail, bus and coach services for the less well off because the transportation funds will be pressurised to complete / upgrade their road network? And finally will this policy drain funds from other parts of the transportation system as the better off start taking advantage of this cut price queue jumping scheme? I only ask because you probally understand more than most of us A change of a few words. I think most of us have taken advantage of private over public on millions of occassions. At one point vit was only the "rich" who could afford private transportation. Look at it now, all of us "poor" people clogging up the system. My worry is that the private health car system will end up like the private transportation system - the M25 car park. I have no problem at all if people want to go private, whether health, schooling, or transport. My worry is that the politicians will skim off the country's benefits of going private and not invest in the public sector. Outcome: cr@p schools, both private and state; cr@p health service, both private and state; cr@p transportation system both...oh! we're there on that one already!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2005 16:59:18 GMT 1
There is very strong talk of our local NHS hospital in Hammersmith being closed down due to lack of funds
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