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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 17:52:31 GMT 1
Who do you think GP will offer deals to:
Scott Howie: I think he will get a different keeper in, one as cover for Hart. Trevor Challis: Much improved recently, but still gone. Darren Tinson: I think he'll be offered a one year deal. Mike Sheron: same as Tinson Jake Sedgemore: sadly no chance, he's gone already. Luke Rodgers: I think Luke will go to pastures new Sam Aiston: He wont be offered one Martin O'Connor: Gone Stuart Whitehead: 50/50 David Edwards: new two year deal Kevin Street: gone Ross Stephens: no hope in hell of a new deal Carl Clampitt: may get given a three month deal to see if he can stay free from injury
I think he will Transfer List Jamie Tolley and offer to pay off Duane Darby.
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Post by PorkyShrew on Apr 17, 2005 17:58:13 GMT 1
dav edwards still in contract isnt he?
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Post by Guest on Apr 17, 2005 17:59:06 GMT 1
Going
Howie, Sedgemore, Challis, Aiston, Street, Stephens and maybe Tinson
Staying
Sheron, Whitehead, Rodgers, Edwards and Clampitt
O'Connor will stay on as a coach and remain registered as a player for emergencies.
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Post by rob on Apr 17, 2005 17:59:36 GMT 1
What makes you think Sam is a gonner JP? He certanly plays the home games, hasn't gotten into trouble, kept his head down and shown signs of improving, besides we're a berift of skillfull wingers in the lower leagues Scott Howie: think he'll be offered a deal, but will probably reject it and go elsewhere Trevor Challis: Much improved recently, 50/50 Darren Tinson: I think he'll be offered a one year deal. Mike Sheron: same as Tinson Jake Sedgemore: Off, if what i've been told is true, and if Ashton is brought in Luke Rodgers:offered a contract, but will probably reject it Sam Aiston: I would like to see him offered a new 2 year deal. Martin O'Connor: off, unless he is offered something coaching wise. Stuart Whitehead: don't really need a centreback, but has he done enough as a right back? 50/50 David Edwards: new contract Kevin Street: unfortunatly not given a fair crack by GP Ross Stephens: off. Carl Clampitt: probably offered a new deal of a year , with a clause iin it of a new contract if he plays so many games.
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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 17:59:38 GMT 1
dav edwards still in contract isnt he? Hope you are right, but was told a couple of months ago that he wasnt.
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Post by aleix on Apr 17, 2005 18:01:14 GMT 1
Scott Howie: We can't have a 17 year old keeper as our main keeper. Hart has played well but he still has a lot to learn. Howie will be offered less money and he won't accept it. Sadly he'll go (could prove to be a massive mistake) Trevor Challis: He'll go Darren Tinson: One year and he'll take it Mike Sheron: same as Tinno Jake Sedgemore: could get a one year but he'll go Luke Rodgers: Luke won't get any offer that beats Shrewsbury's and he will stay, Whether GP wants him or not I don't know. IMO, he'll stay Sam Aiston: Cheerio Sam, thanks for the memories Martin O'Connor: retired Stuart Whitehead: Two year contract David Edwards: three year deal Kevin Street: deserves a contract but won't get one. shame Ross Stephens: bye bye Carl Clampitt: rolling contract, pay as you play Jamie Tolley: 2 year contract. Duane Darby: Rushden will sign him on a nominal fee
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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 18:02:55 GMT 1
Rob you obviously see something we dont in Sam...he doesnt get enough crosses in, he doesnt create enough chances. Compare him to other wingers in this division and crowd pleaser he maybe, worth while keeping he is not.
he's had 5 years here, time to move on.
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Post by PorkyShrew on Apr 17, 2005 18:05:07 GMT 1
Rob you obviously see something we dont in Sam...he doesnt get enough crosses in, he doesnt create enough chances. Compare him to other wingers in this division and crowd pleaser he maybe, worth while keeping he is not. he's had 5 years here, time to move on. you been listening to pilch too much ;D
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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 18:07:26 GMT 1
you been listening to pilch too much ;D No thank god I just agree with him on this one, I like Sam as a person/as a player, but he isnt productive enough in his position.
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Post by lazyshrew on Apr 17, 2005 18:14:01 GMT 1
Scott Howie: I hope im wrong but i think hes off. Best keeper ive ever seen at the meadow. Will easily find himself a new league 2 club.
Luke Rodgers: I think hel go. Gary will be looking to bring in a more potent striker. Shame realy as we could have got a bit of cash for him a year ago. Not quite what he was.
Trevor Challis: Definately going, probably find a club in the conference not quite fl standard.
Sam Aiston: He wont be here, no way good enough.
Martin O'Connor: I think hel stay on as a coach.
Stuart Whitehead: I think he should stay. Will probably provide cover for Walton and Cowan. Can always play at right back.
Darren Tinson: No chance. Simply not good enough anymore. Old age has caught up with him.
Mike Sheron: I think hel go. He was just brought for this seasons relegation battle.
Jake Sedgemore: Seemed to dissapear? I thought he was pretty decent but no chance of staying.
Ross Stephens are not football league standard and are also both off. And i hope we can five grand for Tolley, he is woeful!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 18:15:08 GMT 1
Rob you obviously see something we dont in Sam...he doesnt get enough crosses in, he doesnt create enough chances. Compare him to other wingers in this division and crowd pleaser he maybe, worth while keeping he is not. he's had 5 years here, time to move on. Probably right there, the lack of action recently for Aiston recently would indicate that Peters doesn't particuarly rate him. I get the impression Peters likes no-nonsense players who aren't too flashy but have an end product, someone like John McGrath who had a good delivery but couldn't beat players would fit into his team. Personally I would like Sam to stay but thats probably the heart overuling the head Also why can't we have a 17 year old as our keeper? People were clamouring for Rodgers to start when he burst on the scene and relying on a 17 year old to score our goals is a big responsibility as is saving them. If he's good enough, he's old enough....simple as that
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Post by rob on Apr 17, 2005 18:16:21 GMT 1
But is it sam not putting enough crosses in or is just that as always we never have a striker running at the near post or other players running into the box.
Instead there is normally Luke rodgers standing at the far post and Langmead bumbling about the edge of the box.
Certanly the recent home games I've been too, he has been our most creative force and put in more than a few decent crosses, altho' as you say its wasted when theres only Luke Rodgers standing on the far post.
And certanly away from home he has come on and given us plenty more, width and pace, and actually lifted the supporters and the rest of the team.
i guess it will be dismissed tho' as me just being a Sam Aiston sympathiser
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Post by kickinpretty on Apr 17, 2005 18:16:29 GMT 1
Here we go again - Sammy Aiston the Fall Guy, get off his back FFS , hes a crowd pleaser because he pleases the crowd, you dont do that by being crap, the amount of pressure he can take ofF the rest of the team should not be discounted and he should get a five year deal.
Hes the first name on every teamsheet of mine, unfortunately im not the manager so it means jack.
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Post by Guest on Apr 17, 2005 18:20:04 GMT 1
he should get a five year deal. ROFL
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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 18:20:13 GMT 1
We are so sorry for saying that Sam should go, because he is liked he must stay...good grief
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Post by lazyshrew on Apr 17, 2005 18:25:23 GMT 1
hes a crowd pleaser because he pleases the crowd, you dont do that by being cr@p He pleases the crowd with his fancy skills and pace, people enjoy watching him take people on. But its simple, there is NO end product, his crossing is woeful! He does the fancy peice anc runs up the pitch with the ball and gives it away. Totally inaffective! Get rid!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 18:28:17 GMT 1
He's a crowd pleaser because he can be entertaining by beating players (the only one in the squad really), by getting stuck in and generally giving 100% every week, I remember his interviews the season we went down and he genuinley cared. However lets face it, his goalscoring record is poor as is his final ball. The thing is Im no coach but I would imagine it should be him looking to pick out our strikers when crossing a ball, not our strikers guessing where he will put it.
Lets make it clear, its not a case of making Sammy a scapegoat, if I was manger I would give him a new contract but thats because of the effort he puts in and entertains us at times. However GP isn't going to look at it like that is he?
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Post by kickinpretty on Apr 17, 2005 18:28:19 GMT 1
Dont be patronising JP Or is this part of the vendetta you seem to have against me lately? Sammy Aiston gets a raw deal on this site IMHO and slagging the guy off every five minutes is no way to thank him for some of the best wing-play seen at the meadow since Victor graced the hallowed turf that is Gay Meadow.
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Post by lazyshrew on Apr 17, 2005 18:31:42 GMT 1
I am realy confused. What do people see in Aiston apart from skills and effort.
Malicious fouls. Poor goal scoring record. Dire delivery considering he is supposed to be a winger. Just not good enough. I can garentee that he would struggle to get a new club in this division.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 17, 2005 18:32:09 GMT 1
I'm not too clear who is out of contract, but the players who were brought in by Quinn will by and large go.
So it would be godbye to:
Scott Howie Darren Tinson Jake Sedgemore Trevor Challis Duane Darby Kevin Street
Additionally Luke Rodgers will leave to pastures new - probably a League 1 side.
Also Ross Stephens, and martin O'Connor can't justify a place as a player any longer.
However Aiston and Whitehead are more likely to be given contracts.
We should bend over backwards to keep Paul Edwards if his contract is up at the end of this season.
About nine new players into the first team squad over the summer - hopefully including Neil Ashton.
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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 18:32:10 GMT 1
Dont be patronising JP Or is this part of the vendetta you seem to have against me lately? Sammy Aiston gets a raw deal on this site IMHO and slagging the guy off every five minutes is no way to thank him for some of the best wing-play seen at the meadow since Victor graced the hallowed turf that is Gay Meadow. If I were going to patronise, have a vendetta against you Kickin I'd do it to your face
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Post by rob on Apr 17, 2005 18:47:26 GMT 1
LOL Skills and effort, iff only our strikers possesed shooting ability on a par with Aistons dribbling. If only our midfielders could pass and tackle as well as sam can dribble. if only some of the other players put the effort in that Sam puts in.
A ludicrous post.
This season sam has recieved one dodgy redcard, and 5 yellow cards. This would imply that the bit about maliciuos fouls is pure rubbish.
As for finding another club in this league, there were plenty who him on trial, but according to the rumours were dissuaded by taking him on due to the possibility of him failing a medical. But he obviously has the ability, otherwise there wouldnt be any interest. So guarantee all you want, it looks pretty worthless against the previous interest shown in him.
His crossing is improving, and his crosses have certanly got better. A division three player isn't going to have it all is he? The fact that his dribbling ability and pace is probably an unrivaled combination in this division, some would say goes someway to making up for his tempremental crossing.
There is more to his game than crossing, although a significant part of a wingers game.
He contributes to the side in that he offers the side width, offers an outlet, has pace, is direct and can take on a player. He is also a crowd pleaser, which can't be said for many other players. After all football is about entertainment.
he's started 34 games, and come on as a sub in 9 (probably away games mostly).
Oh an interesting Stat, last season sam was fould over 75 times, making him one of the most fouled players in the conference. If only we were capable of taking set pieces....
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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 18:48:45 GMT 1
When Alex Magregor left for Aldershot, David Tong given a free transfer, Ross Maclaren go to Derby(£70k tribunnal what a joke), Tony Kelly went to Bolton and Darren Moss went To Crewe I was cheesed off, but its the team I support not any individual player. Life goes on
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 17, 2005 19:02:30 GMT 1
Perhaps someone could ask GP for some Sam Stats.
Or trust crowd reactions, come on Sam, keep your hands off him, go on cross it..........................oooooggrrrr and the ball has found its way to opposition forwards time and time again.
I think Sam is a great, I really do, his game is exciting, a real crowd pleaser, no doubt, I've even managed to get a sending off right when he came of the bench, 10 mins I think, and because its Sam and thats his game, well the refs have it in for him? When was the last bid we had for him? how much was it? I haven't a clue if GP thinks he can get what he wants out of him. Perhaps the way we have had to play has kept him off the pitch rather than a lack of crosses, although there has been a slight improvment.
now this is my opinion remember, and remember I really like Sam, but I won't be suprised if he doesn't get offered a new contract
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Post by skunkie on Apr 17, 2005 19:07:17 GMT 1
have we had one team we all could agree on in the last two seasons?.We may speculate about the future,If there are better players than Sam Aiston out there to replace him great,but if he was the great all round passer goalscorer we want him to be,he could be too good a player for our level.there is not one first team player in the side that could not be improved on.if GP can get it right fair play.but for once the Club has the chance to set a long term plan in place.and Gary Peters is the foundation we need to start with.
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Post by goindownthewylecop on Apr 17, 2005 19:15:20 GMT 1
He's a crowd pleaser because he can be entertaining by beating players (the only one in the squad really), by getting stuck in and generally giving 100% every week, I remember his interviews the season we went down and he genuinley cared. However lets face it, his goalscoring record is poor as is his final ball. The thing is Im no coach but I would imagine it should be him looking to pick out our strikers when crossing a ball, not our strikers guessing where he will put it. Lets make it clear, its not a case of making Sammy a scapegoat, if I was manger I would give him a new contract but thats because of the effort he puts in and entertains us at times. However GP isn't going to look at it like that is he? good post Paul, although a little wordy as usual Sammy is a skillful player and we dont have many of them. He beats people week in week out which often leads to good forward moves, if not goals. if he could cross too he'd be in the championship, so lets be grateful. I hope Sammy isnt the new scapegoat
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 17, 2005 19:21:58 GMT 1
As we have such a succesful team for some reason we seem to have a lot of scapegoats(or different opinions) Tinson, too old, tooo slow Street to small O'conner too old Tolley, had it Sam, nice naughty boy Lowe, Tim nice but dim (sorry couldn't help it) Challis, yes he can no he can't there are more carry on if you want We appear either to be unable to make up our minds or we are normal fans
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 19:34:14 GMT 1
Ditch anyone under 5"11.
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Post by lazyshrew on Apr 17, 2005 19:38:08 GMT 1
I agree height wins in this league.
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Post by MarkRowley on Apr 17, 2005 19:38:45 GMT 1
We all recognise there will be wholesale changes in the close season. There will be hundreds of players looking for clubs, and GP has extensive contacts - no doubt he has a few fingers in pies of some more good young players and 1 or 2 with a bit of experience. Of what we have/those who could go, my thoughts are: Howie - great keeper, should get a 2 year deal, not sure why wages should be an issue (given high crowds, Mossy transfer fee) unless GP wants to impose a wage structure Challis - has been solid over recent months but there are quicker & taller left backs out there Tinson - Walton & Cowan seemingly set to be 1st choice from what's available at the mo, may get 12m as his last pro contract although I can see him going Sheron - same as Tinno, seems to be just a stop gap until the end of this season Sedge - I'd give him at least another 12m deal. Best set piece & penalty taker we have in the present squad by an absolute mile. Good utility member of the team and for me always gives 100%. Rodgers - I just feel that a change of scene would do him the world of good Aiston - a 12m deal and a test of GP/MW's coaching skills on crossing & finishing MOC - coach and emergency player only Whitehead - one of our best players this season, I rate him as a CB or RB, give him a 2 year deal Edwards - if approaching end of contract, give him a 3 year deal now Street - going, bit unlucky Stephens - no chance of staying Darby - likely to get paid off/some sort of deal with Rushden Tolley - last chance salloon for me, needs to work hard on his strength, making his presence felt (that doesn't mean fouling someone every 2 mins like he did on Saturday ) and finishing GP - please sign Ashton, he is quality. Also we don't need to remind you that Lee Lawrence has been released by Man U. After that, we have to trust your abilities in finding the right player (you have proved capable so far) and lets see what the start of next season brings.
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