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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 12:25:07 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Dec 7, 2004 12:32:59 GMT 1
i have to agree to some extent this year we have held one for brian clough did he ever visit the gay meadow ? around the same time colin whitaker passed on and didnt even get a mention colin was the 5th highest ever scorer for the town just in front of colin is arthur rowley (ok maybe not just in front) who gets testomonials, remembrance days and will probably get a stand named after him i'm not saying he doesn't deserve it but it looks like a case of all of nothing |
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Post by Dan F on Dec 7, 2004 12:34:13 GMT 1
this year we have held one for brian clough did he ever visit the gay meadow ? Yes. A reserve game. Made the Daily Sport even. Well, a story relating to his visit  |
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Post by McKie on Dec 7, 2004 12:37:34 GMT 1
I agreed with so much with that piece that I mailed him. It seems too easy to get branded disrespectful if you even question these things. I think they only have place in football when it is someone connected to the club or when it is someone REALLY important like The Queen, The Prime Minister or John Peel.
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Post by theriverside on Dec 7, 2004 12:38:00 GMT 1
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Post by Minor on Dec 7, 2004 12:38:24 GMT 1
i have to agree to some extent this year we have held one for brian clough did he ever visit the gay meadow ? Yes he did , as manager of Brighton & Hove Albion in 1976/77 'ish |
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Post by Pilch on Dec 7, 2004 12:40:22 GMT 1
Yes he did , as manager of Brighton & Hove Albion in 1976/77 'ish ah that explains why he got a minutes silence  notts forest,derby, boro, hartlepool etc yes stfc NO |
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Post by Minor on Dec 7, 2004 12:41:56 GMT 1
Excellent article, a lot of people & institutions are getting over sentimental to the point of silliness, fair enough if its somebody relevant , ie Arthur Rowley , or as Pilch said, Colin Whitaker |
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Post by davefromaltyNLI on Dec 7, 2004 12:47:16 GMT 1
At least we had a tribute to Colin Whittaker on this board. The most ridiculous silences were the 2 seperate ones we had before the Liverpool cup game, for Bob Paisley I think. Just told Liverpool 'we are a humble little club who bow down before you'  |
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Post by McKie on Dec 7, 2004 12:47:21 GMT 1
Brian Clough is not the best example of an unnecessary one though as he is a football legend. It is at least relevant in a footballing context.
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Post by Dan F on Dec 7, 2004 12:47:45 GMT 1
There was actually a debate on this issue on the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 a couple of months ago. STFC was actually mentioned as it was around the time of our silence for that Town fan squaddie who died, they were asking if you therefore have to do it for every fan who is tragically killed (road accidents etc.)...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 12:53:57 GMT 1
Brian Clough, one of the most famous and most successful managers in the English game. Of course he deserved a minute's silence.
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Post by McKie on Dec 7, 2004 12:55:59 GMT 1
There was actually a debate on this issue on the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 a couple of months ago. STFC was actually mentioned as it was around the time of our silence for that Town fan squaddie who died, they were asking if you therefore have to do it for every fan who is tragically killed (road accidents etc.)... That is how I feel. If it is a player or someone directly connected to the club, then I think it is faiir enough and a nice way to show respect, but when you do it for everyone and everything, then it is watered down and meaningless. The Emlyn Hughes tribute at Liverpool was really impressive and moving and entirely justified, but if you do one every week it is pointless. It started with Diana. That was such a successful "outpouring of grief". It is the Orwellian two minute hate, repackaged as One minute grief. Thing is, the thinking behind the executed chap is the same. Be afraid of the terrorists. 100,000 odd iraqis have been killed so far, 10 years ago nearly a million Rwandans were slaughtered. That was barely reported, let alone minute-slienced. Black arm bands worn by the players used to be what they did. Nothing wrong with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 12:57:17 GMT 1
My truck is more with the non-football silences. I don't believe there was a minute's silence for the lad from Trewern killed in Iraq, more a nice mention from Ryan Jervis, which I think would suffice for the majority of STFC/Football related ones. There does occasionally need to be minutes silences in my opinion, but they need to be preserved for particular circumstances.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 12:57:27 GMT 1
Lyrics from a Marilyn Manson song:
'The death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is just a statistic.'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 13:02:28 GMT 1
There was actually a debate on this issue on the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 a couple of months ago. STFC was actually mentioned as it was around the time of our silence for that Town fan squaddie who died, they were asking if you therefore have to do it for every fan who is tragically killed (road accidents etc.)... Thats not really the same that lad laid down his life for his country, anyone who volunteers to his/her country and in the process looses there life is automatically worthy of a few respectful moments (wasn't quite a minute) of silence. Don't really have a problem with minute silences either way. |
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Post by McKie on Dec 7, 2004 13:09:26 GMT 1
Thats not really the same that lad laid down his life for his country. I know a can of worms when I see one. "Run away! Run away!" |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 13:19:53 GMT 1
I know a can of worms when I see one. "Run away! Run away!" Just want to clear that up in case I sounded like a flag-waving nutter in that last post. I DID'NT and still do not support the war in Iraq. I want ALL our troops back NOW! I've also I got a 17 yr old cousin in the Army and I'm terrified he's gonna wind up being shipped out to Gee Dubyah's 21st century version of Vietnam With reference to McKie's reply: SH!T Good point Mate-RUN INDEED! Don't feel like engaging in a heated political debate |
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Post by pawlo on Dec 7, 2004 13:28:24 GMT 1
Although its a slightly different debate, I can draw parallels to the thread the other day about the Newcastle chairman not wanting to support lower league clubs.
Quite a few people, myself included, where disgusted at his lack of support to the wider footballing community.
I agree that we as a club should pay tribute to our own heros and legends, but it would be a shame if we didnt extend that same thought to the heros and legends of others. The wider footballing community.
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Post by McKie on Dec 7, 2004 13:57:52 GMT 1
I agree Pab. As you say, within the footballing community, but I just have a feeling it is being hijacked by people with an agenda. i know, I am extra-paranoid, but football is popular and what better way to pursue the politics of fear by constantly reminding thousands of people that the world is a bad place. I am just suspicious, that's all.
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Post by rob on Dec 7, 2004 16:58:05 GMT 1
In that case should we hold minute silences for the Hillsborough disaster (and Bradford and Heydal disasters-if we do already?)  |
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