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Post by Dale on Dec 2, 2004 11:25:17 GMT 1
Is this planned for the NM? Its GOT to be hasnt it?  |
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Post by rob on Dec 2, 2004 11:26:26 GMT 1
could be planned for the social club....
if the supprters were to be given some land
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Post by ianwhit on Dec 2, 2004 11:30:17 GMT 1
Is this planned for the NM? Its GOT to be hasnt it? yes |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2004 11:30:54 GMT 1
It is definitely Schizo.
The directors are counting on the fans to stump up big time. It'll help if they are flexible on the Social Club issue.
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Post by rob on Dec 2, 2004 11:45:56 GMT 1
erm, a question or three if i may be permitted.
Havent we been told that the cost of the new grounded is covered by the sale of the old ground and football grants, to the extent where it is thought there will be money left over?
If this is the case why are they relying on us to sponser bricks, as means of raising money to build the new ground???
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Post by Norge on Dec 2, 2004 11:52:52 GMT 1
More money the better i guess, which is not a bad thing after all. As long its not going straight in the directors pockets i'll be happy to contribute as its also a way of having a permanent connection/part of the New Meadow.  |
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Post by Dale on Dec 2, 2004 11:54:45 GMT 1
This isnt just about money, this is a chance for the supporters to have their own permanent momento for themselves, their loved ones and their friends at what is going to be our home for the next 100 years at least. Any profits made from this scheme could go towards extending the social club (if needs be) or going towards an electronic scoreboard if there isnt one, or it might even go towards team strengthening |
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Post by rob on Dec 2, 2004 12:04:02 GMT 1
looks to me like the scheme is all to do with getting us to contribute to the building of the new ground.
And what i want to know is a breakdown of the costs. Why tell us everything and more is covered by the sale and grants if as Gareth says we are being relied upon to contribute reasonably large sums of money to the building of the new ground.
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Post by Dale on Dec 2, 2004 12:06:18 GMT 1
Thats a fair enough point Festival Shrew, I thought the sale of GM and the Football Foundation grant would cover everything for the construction of the NM, maybe Im wrong?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 2, 2004 12:12:47 GMT 1
The New Meadow isn't a faery castle. The vast majority of fans have yet to realise this.
I think he who pays the piper should call the tune. Bit like the funds that the ISC raised for the buy a player.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2004 13:59:48 GMT 1
I get the horrible feeling its gonna be a case of 'buy a breaseblock'  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2004 14:06:35 GMT 1
It is definitely Schizo. The directors are counting on the fans to stump up big time. It'll help if they are flexible on the Social Club issue. The directors can go to hell. I pay stupid sums of money for my season ticket (which will no doubt cost most at the NM due to higher maintainance costs, 'better' facillities etc) & travelling to home games . I also spend a large part of my salary on travelling around the country supporting my club-If the directors want a new meadow so babdly they should fund it themselves and not ask us to chip in for 'extras' like a social club-I get the horrible feeling from the estimated building times were being given etc that the NM is going to be an all-seated version of the Deva, anyone thinking its gonna be a mini-stadium of light should wake up! God forbid! |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 2, 2004 14:39:13 GMT 1
Steady on there TAFFS our kid...I think its a nice idea and agree with schizo, this isn't just about money...
You do wonder what the grounds gonna be like, mind. Told the Mrs this morning that the new ground will be ready for this time next year...'building it with lego are they' was the reply...
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Post by OldGit on Dec 2, 2004 15:30:43 GMT 1
Perhaps the Board will sponsor a "s**t a brick" scheme? I think they should pick up the laundry bill for all us fans what have s**t bricks over the last couple of seasons as the clubs fortunes have yo -yo'd. We could call it "Roland's Pence for Pants" Or possibly "Quids for Skids"? Either way my missus will be pleased not to have to steam clean my shreddies after our next nail biter!
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Post by ssshrew on Dec 2, 2004 15:42:44 GMT 1
Calm down all. I'll buy a brick just for the novelty of doing so but it won't be compulsory so what's the problem |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 2, 2004 18:21:53 GMT 1
I'll buy my seat - IF I can chose to throw it away and stand in it's place  |
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Post by ianwhit on Dec 2, 2004 18:29:27 GMT 1
The directors can go to hell. a new contender for pricey's angry crown  |
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 2, 2004 19:20:29 GMT 1
looks to me like the scheme is all to do with getting us to contribute to the building of the new ground. And what i want to know is a breakdown of the costs. Why tell us everything and more is covered by the sale and grants if as Gareth says we are being relied upon to contribute reasonably large sums of money to the building of the new ground. Rob, I don;t know the make up of buy a brick but i doubt it will raise more than £100k towards a £10million plus construction project It is all about fans having some ownership of the process |
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Post by siabod on Dec 2, 2004 19:58:58 GMT 1
As long as they dont don't call it "bricks for pricks" no problem putting in a few quid.
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Post by rob on Dec 2, 2004 20:55:25 GMT 1
But if the New Meadow costs are already covered by grants and sale of Gay Meadow why should we invest money into the scheme.
I'd much rather see the supporterd put their money towards a social club, or something that will benifit us, raise money for the club and something that the club "caqn't afford to do properly" or whatever excuse they have.
Whats the point of throwing money at something that doesnt need it when there are other parts of this new ground that will probably be underfunded and poorly planned (like the social club)
seems to me like a waste of money.
I mean if your house was burnt down and the insurance firm paid to have it rebuilt, would you then stump up your own cash to help pay for it???
As for us owning it, well thats not strictly true, our names will be on the bricks, but thats about it.
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Post by scooter on Dec 2, 2004 21:01:31 GMT 1
As for us owning it, well thats not strictly true, our names will be on the bricks, but thats about it. You just don't get it, do you ? People know they don't actually own it, but they do get to see their name on that brick every time they go, and feel they contributed and belong, even if its 20/30 years later (if it lasts that long) As someone else pointed out, it will not be compulsory, and the Club have not even mentioned it yet |
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Post by Griff on Dec 2, 2004 21:03:02 GMT 1
Could it be that the costs of building the ground (ie. the mian infrasrtucture) will be covered, but that money will be needed to furnish and fit out the offices, bars etc.
If so, any extra cash raised by fans will certainly be put to good use. And it'll mean the chairs currently found in the players' bar can be chucked in the skip - no bad thing!
And, as has been said, buying a brick is more about having your own personal 'stamp' on the ground, and something that may well be there long after you've gone to the great football ground in the sky! And it'll make a nice gift idea too!
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Post by rob on Dec 2, 2004 22:12:32 GMT 1
 I've obviously not made my point very well (as usual) wasn't denying the fact that it would be nice to have a brick with my name on it. However my point was, wouldnt it be a greater feeling if we actually had something greater to show for our effort/work/love in the form of maybe a larger social club, or something. I'd have thought the club would take us more seriously if we could actualy raise some capital towards a decent social club as opposed to relying on them to fund it and build it. This could be done in the form of buy a brick for the social club. At the end of the day £50k or whatever shouldnt make a difference to the actual building of the ground itself. However 50K or whatever put towards a new social club would make a HUGE difference. Has the buy a brick money been earmarked for something in particular or just "general running costs"
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 2, 2004 22:27:35 GMT 1
I think the football club is going to need every penny to bring off a successful stadium. It will require a step change in the amount of fund-raising from the fans. thinking caps on as to how it could be done.
Buy a brick is the obvious one - but I would prefer a buy or sponsor a seat to be honest, because your brick could end up in the urinals. A £10 for mine and the kids' names on the back of a seat - preferably in the family enclosure if and when the club decide to have one and figure out its location.
Everything seems a bit half-cock at the moment, I wonder if the club has a business plan with the New Meadow or if the "new income streams" amount to little more than a wish list?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 2, 2004 22:35:46 GMT 1
Rob you really do argue the toss over every new idea don't you?
Who says the buy a brick scheme won;t be aimed at kitting out the supporters bar? no one knows, it hasn;t been decided
nothing has been decided
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Dec 2, 2004 22:52:58 GMT 1
"Everything seems a bit half-cock at the moment, I wonder if the club has a business plan with the New Meadow or if the "new income streams" amount to little more than a wish list?"[/quote] No doubt Mr Wingrove will soon reveal the strategy for the future |
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Post by rob on Dec 3, 2004 0:31:12 GMT 1
bit unfair Dave, I have a point, admittedly i sometimes make it as well poorely as i spell)
I wasnt arguing over the validity of buy a brick scheme it has worked very well in the past for the fundraising of new facilities in my area (well the planned cinema on Lower Grove).Lincoln (i think) and Bury both employed the have your name engraved on a seat campaign to great effect.
Might it be worth getting in contact with Bournemouth?- As their new stand is pretty much going to be funded by the local business' and local community, they may have some decent ideas on fundraising?
But it is important to find out what the money raised will be used for.
ASFC do this when donating, why cant the supporters? There are matters that by the sounds of it need to be addressed (social club?) and as such I certanly feel it is important to know where the money is going to go.
Nout wrong with that
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