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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2005 17:36:50 GMT 1
Just listened to a radio programme in which it was stated that in Slough, Bucks, there is a site being made avaliable for a new Sikh school. This would be 90% funded by the Dep For Ed. Another totally Islamic school was planned. I am not sure that creating faith schools is the right way to be progressing our multi-cultural, multi-ethnic society.
We have had C of E and Catholic schools for centuries and I know from personal experience that they do allow other faith children to attend in many cases.
Surely if we wish to integrate all of our citizens of whatever faith, creed or non-belief into a trusting, supportive, all encompassing society then we should be looking to teach our children together and to understand that the differences other cultures display are not a threat or strange but are a part of life.
The UK is one of the most multi-cultural countries in the world yet we still seek to divide the community into factions. The use of religion as a means of segregation of school children is abhorrent to me. So many great leaders down the years have said after great human disasters and wars have befallen us that it is the young of our world who need to be taught understanding and tolerance of other people and their beliefs.
The continual setting up and support of faith schools is not going to promote a future cultural harmony in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2005 17:38:28 GMT 1
![:-*](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/love/love0051.gif) Spot on mysticsdad
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 17, 2005 17:57:27 GMT 1
I agree to a great extent
The C of E / Catholic angle is simply because in 1700 or whenever they were the people who set up the school and that is why they exist
just like all the Saint titled hospitals that started as Church organisations for those without healthcare
I think the whole thing needs looking at
learning about each other and respecting each other requires contact with each other
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Post by Sister Pab at work on Feb 17, 2005 18:19:41 GMT 1
Dont see the problem to be honest.
If we can have catholic, jewish schools ect then why not islamic or sikh.
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Post by chrisj on Feb 17, 2005 18:21:36 GMT 1
Just listened to a radio programme in which it was stated that in Slough, Bucks, there is a site being made avaliable for a new Sikh school. This would be 90% funded by the Dep For Ed. Another totally Islamic school was planned. I am not sure that creating faith schools is the right way to be progressing our multi-cultural, multi-ethnic society. We have had C of E and Catholic schools for centuries and I know from personal experience that they do allow other faith children to attend in many cases. Surely if we wish to integrate all of our citizens of whatever faith, creed or non-belief into a trusting, supportive, all encompassing society then we should be looking to teach our children together and to understand that the differences other cultures display are not a threat or strange but are a part of life. The UK is one of the most multi-cultural countries in the world yet we still seek to divide the community into factions. The use of religion as a means of segregation of school children is abhorrent to me. So many great leaders down the years have said after great human disasters and wars have befallen us that it is the young of our world who need to be taught understanding and tolerance of other people and their beliefs. The continual setting up and support of faith schools is not going to promote a future cultural harmony in my opinion. I agree with a lot of this M'sD although I would say that it's actually very hard to get into any successful faith schools if you're not of that faith - and they do tend to be successful as everyone has bought into the ethos of the place. I wouldn't have religion and education in the same building.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Feb 17, 2005 19:55:25 GMT 1
My grand daughter goes to an RC school, even though her Mum is a practising Anglican.
The school also has Muslim kids - the only proviso for attending is that the child's family should practise their religion and that RC kids get preference if there is a shortage of places.
For me, the only problem with faith schools is if they are exclusive.
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Post by tattooshrew on Feb 18, 2005 14:01:17 GMT 1
Agree with everything mysticsdad says. We need to be finding ways of bringing people of every faith colour and creed together, not separating them. Surely its best to bring all children together at the youngest age possible, so they grow together accepting all cultures.
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Post by SlimShandy on Feb 18, 2005 14:11:23 GMT 1
I'd agree with Mystic's dad. There's also a difference between 'faith' schools and 'church' schools. In the faith schools you are taught to believe a certain religion in the same way you are taught Science or Maths. Most 'church' schools, particularly C of E ones, are historically linked to certain churches that funded them long before education was available for all.
Although I personally have a faith, I'm quite anti the idea that religion should be taught in that way for two reasons. Firstly, real faith comes through asking questions - in this way faith is discovered not taught. Secondly, it encourages people to believe they belong to a particular religion on the basis that they went to a certain school, not because they have committed their life to certain principles/ideals.
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Post by mike-in-cairo on Feb 18, 2005 14:32:54 GMT 1
i'm not sure.
i worked in an area where there was still effectively a 3 tier education system :- there were 2 old grammar schools , where the 'best kids' went ,and church schools where the avarage to good went and comps where the rest went. the comps are struggling. the church thereby has lots of power as a result. they even 'blackmail' parents into joining the church because they have to otherwise their kids have no chance of getting in. basically the church in that area is being partly financed on the back of educational politics and fear.
i think this is more sinister and worrying than sikh and muslim faith schools.
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Post by oranjemob on Feb 18, 2005 14:37:07 GMT 1
Is it quite as simple as this though?
What about situations where the whole principal of a particular belief, is that all things in life should flow from the teachings of that faith. If cross-culture schools do not (and indeed, by definaition, cannot) provide an environment to provide the opportunity to adhere to the 'fundamentals' of a relgious teaching, is there an issue?
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Post by pawlo on Feb 18, 2005 15:19:35 GMT 1
Agree with everything mysticsdad says. We need to be finding ways of bringing people of every faith colour and creed together, not separating them. Surely its best to bring all children together at the youngest age possible, so they grow together accepting all cultures. I would go along with this, providing that we closed all the catholic, ce and anglican schools as well.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 18, 2005 15:23:59 GMT 1
Most C of E schools now are normal LEA schools with a bit of history and maybe an assembly once a term and a vicar on the governors
we can't take faith teaching out of schools altogether because any worldview by definition is based on faith
whether that is humanism or theism it is a still a faith school
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Post by pawlo on Feb 18, 2005 15:31:54 GMT 1
Most C of E schools now are normal LEA schools with a bit of history and maybe an assembly once a term and a vicar on the governors we can't take faith teaching out of schools altogether because any worldview by definition is based on faith whether that is humanism or theism it is a still a faith school So would it be fair to ban faith schools just because the british faiths dont take thier religeon seriously.? I dont really care one way or another with regards to faith schools, providing that whatever solution someone comes up with is not based upon cultural/religeous hatred, ie, ban muslem and sikh schools but keep catholic,jewish and anglican schools. If you ban one then you must ban them all, otherwise the message sent out is wrong.
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Post by salopshrew on Feb 18, 2005 15:56:02 GMT 1
C of E and county primary schools teach RE from the local syllabus or the national one. They both cover Christianity AND other faiths. Catholic schools teach their own RE called'HereI Am' which does not cover other faiths.
I agree that most of us come to our own personal belief by asking questions and wondering about the world around us, which is what most schools are trying to do by providing oportunities to ask questions and find out about other faiths and cultures. Kind of 'opening up' experiences. Single faith schools home in to their own doctrine and instruct their followers. A kind of 'narrowing down' to one single faith. Which do you think is best?
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Post by pawlo on Feb 18, 2005 16:12:54 GMT 1
Sounds to me like we be best off leaving religeon out of the class room altogether. If people then want to learn about religeon they can go to a church or temple instead. ![8-)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/innocent/innocent0009.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2005 16:13:21 GMT 1
So, Challis or Ashton at left back tomorrow then?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 18, 2005 16:14:23 GMT 1
Sounds to me like we be best off leaving religeon out of the class room altogether. If people then want to learn about religeon they can go to a church or temple instead. ![8-)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/innocent/innocent0009.gif) should they ban sex education but show them where to find a decent hooker? ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258782/images/pqnQOqOSibedLgQPAcub.png) education and discussion is what is needed, not avoidance of the issues
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Post by pawlo on Feb 18, 2005 16:52:04 GMT 1
should they ban sex education but show them where to find a decent hooker? ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258782/images/pqnQOqOSibedLgQPAcub.png) education and discussion is what is needed, not avoidance of the issues ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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