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Post by Shrews and Royals on Feb 16, 2005 12:56:31 GMT 1
What exactly do STFC do to get out there and find the "local" footballers of the future?
So they do the statutary footie courses in the holidays (Mitchell is on one with Cov City this week), they have their teams, but what do they do to find kids, rather than rely on parents and schools putting forward their child?
This has sprung to mind specifically because of what we are seeing happen at Mitchell's school. Not one, but two clubs are tapping into the talent from the age of 5 by running weekly after school courses through people that are qualified coaches associated with their clubs.
Cov City is one, run by Dave Phillips, and the other is the suprise as it is run by a chap that is responsible for the local holiday coaching courses for Northampton Town.
Having been to watch the NT associated one it really is very good and Mitchell is having great fun. Whilst he is limited in his chance for goalie training, he is starting to show that he could make a reasonable central defender because of this - apparantly he is a rarity in not wanting to be the goal scorer, but wanting to tackle at his age and they are trying to encourage this.
We always knew he was never going to be a flash forward running player, but could they have directed him towards a position that suits him and he could be quite good at, at such an early age? Should they be doing this? Will they reap the rewards in the future? Do Shrewsbury actually get out and run such courses every week? Is this the way forward for kids who like to watch football and therefore don't get involved with the usual Saturday kids football?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 14:17:01 GMT 1
I remember when I was at primary school and STFC organised a training scheme at our placefor a couple of weeks.
A lot of the kids enjoyed it and I'm sure it's a good idea but it would be very difficult (due to personel demands) to have more than a few running at different schools at one time.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Feb 16, 2005 20:58:52 GMT 1
My youngest daughter likes her f/ball and i paid for her to attend the f/ball coaching course at her school in telford run by a Wolves representative, and quite frankly i told him he was $h** ,after watching his so called coaching it was a complete joke ive played proffesional f/ball over the years in my younger days at decent clubs and was on full time contract, at 3 clubs. And i felt that these WWFC coaches were just after parents money. I think the best STFC representative was Richard Pratley who scoured alot of the schools in telford and genuinly worked hard with the kids at many of the schools. Unsure who does it now, i'm pretty sure Nigel Vaughn and Fred davies chips in a bit also , could be wrong about the last name though as he likes his golf to much.
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Post by goindownthewylecop on Feb 16, 2005 21:15:01 GMT 1
ive played proffesional f/ball over the years in my younger days at decent clubs and was on full time contract, at 3 clubs. which clubs TS?
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Feb 16, 2005 21:19:00 GMT 1
Port Vale, Derby, Ipswich.
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Post by ianwhit on Feb 16, 2005 21:37:39 GMT 1
town's coe run's teams from u9s upwards.
town work with shropshire fa and shropshire schools and colleges and then through the fitc.
fitc is headed by brian williams who works with coaches mark neville and lee pugh covering the whole of shropshire. they run courses throughout the week and do larger courses over the holidays, there is a large on at bevidere at the moment.
have a look at the fitc part of the site, the coe section is a little out of date.
when picking youngsters they have to live within about an hours drive to the training facilities.
youth systems tend to take a while to build up and the aim of town's was to make sure the billy jone's didn't go elsewhere. with dave edwards and joe hart turning pro this does seem to happen.
the whole youth system is headed by jamie robinson and is one that is well regarded and respected around the country. nigel vaughan heads the youth team and iain sankey headers the coe. if you pop down to roman road you can see the sides from u9s upwards training during the week, as well as games at weekends.
there's been a lot written on it both on the website and programme, the focus this year in the programme has been jamor writing each week about different aspects of the youth... these articles are very, very good.....
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Post by RG on Feb 16, 2005 22:09:40 GMT 1
But Foofball In The Community is a sport for all initiative, not designed to nurture talent - but to ensure anyone who wants a game can have one. I've long admired Brians patients with those lads at SCAT on a saturday morning, some of 'em can't play at all, and are sent by mums and dads for exercise/get them out of the house. How he keeps his cool sometimes is beyond belief ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 22:40:43 GMT 1
Brian Williams seems to let that pent up stress explode on the pitch when playing in the end of year supporters v staff match - a couple of elbows usually does the job ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png)
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Post by ianwhit on Feb 16, 2005 23:57:50 GMT 1
But Foofball In The Community is a sport for all initiative, not designed to nurture talent - but to ensure anyone who wants a game can have one. fitc is one way that clubs can spot talent..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2005 10:23:50 GMT 1
Having got a son who is playing his 1st season of junior football I am confident that STFC have a good system to pick up and develop talent in the local area. He plays for Dawley and will be an U9 player next season. This season, a few of Dawley's U9s talented squad were spotted in Telford league games and went for trials at local clubs including Shrewsbury- 2 of them are now part of Shrewsbury's U9 set up so that is good- OK one went to the Wolves but it is always going to be difficult to fend off the richer Midland clubs. My son is also on a training course this week at Oakengates which is run by people in the system Ian details above. OK we cant maybe afford the luxury of having younger teams than U9 at present but I am confident that Dave Edwards wont be the last Shropshire lad who plays for Shrewsbury's 1st team ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Shrews and Royals on Feb 17, 2005 10:32:47 GMT 1
I had a look at the FITC bit to see if there was something similar but couldn't see a comparable scheme.
I know that it is a tough thing to staff, but the whole thing that suprised me was the Northampton Town link.
This is one potential area where the players who have/want their coaching badges (or even a specific community commitment) could do a half term stint at a school one day a week. That could cover a heck of a lot of schools in the year.
The holiday courses are great but can be expensive for some families.
All the ideas that can help in what will need to be a major sourcing of future players for lower division clubs must be good by my books!
Off to ask questions about my secret family history for a few days! TTFN! The other advantage of the NTFC one is that it is £2 for an hour and a halfs sesssion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2005 10:48:02 GMT 1
The holiday courses are great but can be expensive for some families. I guess this is true for non-working parents S&R but in Shropshire, these courses represent a cheap form of child care for working parents, when compared against the cost of holiday clubs, child minders, etc. They really are good value for money ![:-*](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/love/love0051.gif)
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Post by The Beancounter on Feb 17, 2005 11:21:19 GMT 1
Two kids live in the same street as me One hasn't the faintest idea how to play the game, but is going to Belvidere this week as his parents can afford it. The other, you can tell by watching him on the green has a definate talent, is not going because his (single) parent can't afford to send him ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Hopefully he will be picked up by scouts watching school games, but FITC would never pick him up
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Post by Gerry on Feb 17, 2005 11:29:51 GMT 1
My youngest daughter likes her f/ball and i paid for her to attend the f/ball coaching course at her school in telford run by a Wolves representative, and quite frankly i told him he was $h** ,after watching his so called coaching it was a complete joke What was wrong with the Wolves coaches TS?
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Feb 17, 2005 11:42:21 GMT 1
What was wrong with the Wolves coaches TS? He never spent any quality time with the children or the ones who were keen to learn. Some needed that little more help than others in certain areas of the game RE: technique and basic movement and understanding off the game. Although at some point many were split into a group and just played a free for all match while the WWFC Coach left them to it, he walked off to his car to use his mobile sort his glove box out , and when i approached him he was cleaning the inside windows of his car while bemused kids and parents stood 100yards away.
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Post by Gerry on Feb 17, 2005 11:49:33 GMT 1
Sounds like a complete joker!
I coach on a Sunday now in Liverpool and I get fairly heavily monitored by senior coaching staff, which is fair enough and I can totally understand why, especially when there are jokers like him about.
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