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Post by SlimShandy on Feb 15, 2005 17:19:59 GMT 1
Anyone else sick of farmers moaning about how tough life is and how they can only afford a new range rover every other year now what with the cut in subsidies, when they're to blame for CJD and poisoning the countryside with pesticides? Or is it just me ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif)
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Post by rob on Feb 15, 2005 17:57:04 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 15, 2005 18:05:30 GMT 1
i do hope not as I shall be on my way to see the match and nothing irritates me more than people who are watching the hunt blocking the road and getting in my way - and believe me they do block the road and double park. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) I do wonder do they have nothing better to do with themselves I'm not sure which is worse hunting itself or watching it.
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Post by rob on Feb 15, 2005 18:09:56 GMT 1
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 16, 2005 11:56:02 GMT 1
Anyone else sick of farmers moaning about how tough life is and how they can only afford a new range rover every other year now what with the cut in subsidies, when they're to blame for CJD and poisoning the countryside with pesticides? Or is it just me ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) As you seem an expert on Agricultural matters SlimShandy tell me where I can get any subsidies on this farm; 100 Ha Total 60 Ha Grass of which 40Ha is permanent pasture 40 Ha Forage Maize 150 Milkers 150 Followers. I will log back in for your answer tonight. And read up on CJD ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png)
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Post by siabod on Feb 16, 2005 12:10:47 GMT 1
SlimShandy, got any facts to back up CJD or pesticide remarks?
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Post by Johntylad on Feb 16, 2005 12:16:15 GMT 1
the red faced/red necked farmers are the worst thing about our county IMO. no concept of anything apart from rural issues. Also the main reason why the BNP targets Shropshire, not good
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 16, 2005 12:18:27 GMT 1
the red faced/red necked farmers are the worst thing about our county IMO. no concept of anything apart from rural issues. Also the main reason why the BNP targets Shropshire, not good Says the man living in Sheffield ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I like your desciption of me above ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258782/images/pqnQOqOSibedLgQPAcub.png)
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Post by Carter on Feb 16, 2005 12:26:01 GMT 1
Anyone else sick of farmers moaning about how tough life is and how they can only afford a new range rover every other year now what with the cut in subsidies, when they're to blame for CJD and poisoning the countryside with pesticides? Or is it just me ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) Doesn't seem like a very Christian attitude to me... ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif)
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Post by Johntylad on Feb 16, 2005 12:40:52 GMT 1
Says the man living in Sheffield ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I like your desciption of me above ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258782/images/pqnQOqOSibedLgQPAcub.png) ahh fair point but I had my fill in my years in Shropshire down Stretton and the surrounding villages, Cardington, Rushbury etc.....
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 16, 2005 12:47:44 GMT 1
ahh fair point but I had my fill in my years in Shropshire down Stretton and the surrounding villages, Cardington, Rushbury etc..... Fair Point to you too sir. Please dont tar us all with the same brush ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) I would like to think I am the dead opposite to your description ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Johntylad on Feb 16, 2005 12:56:49 GMT 1
Fair Point to you too sir. Please dont tar us all with the same brush ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) I would like to think I am the dead opposite to your description ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) yup fair do's..wouldn't want to come across as bigotted as the people I'm slating now would I? ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif)
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Post by theriverside on Feb 16, 2005 12:58:42 GMT 1
the red faced/red necked farmers are the worst thing about our county IMO. no concept of anything apart from rural issues. Also the main reason why the BNP targets Shropshire, not good Shocking generalisation. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) It's like saying all city folk are Chavs ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) Which just isn't true, unless you have a TF postcode of course ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) (with apologies to TF, Grin and Mark Rowley ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) )
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Post by Johntylad on Feb 16, 2005 13:09:59 GMT 1
Shocking generalisation. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) It's like saying all city folk are Chavs ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) Which just isn't true, unless you have a TF postcode of course ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) (with apologies to TF, Grin and Mark Rowley ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) ) maybe I've just been unlucky with the farmers I've met through going out and working for the National Trust in Stretton... the BNP canvassing my road going on about farmers issues doesn't really help either
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Post by SlimShandy on Feb 16, 2005 13:18:09 GMT 1
Doesn't seem like a very Christian attitude to me... ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) Been to my website? Someone from blue and amber has. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Anyway - I thought mad cow disease which isn't the same as CJD but is linked was spread by people feeding very cheap food to farm animals - food that consisted of other dead animals. Could be wrong - in the X Files it was down to cannibals. ![:o](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared0015.gif)
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 16, 2005 21:27:51 GMT 1
Anyway - I thought mad cow disease which isn't the same as CJD but is linked was spread by people feeding very cheap food to farm animals - food that consisted of other dead animals. Could be wrong - in the X Files it was down to cannibals. ![:o](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared0015.gif) Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE)(Mad Cow Disease) is a progressive neurological disorder of cattle that results from infection by an unconventional transmissible agent. The nature of the transmissible agent is unknown. Currently, the most accepted theory is that the agent is a modified form of a normal cell surface component known as prion protein. The pathogenic form of the protein is both less soluble and more resistant to enzyme degradation than the normal form. There is strong epidemiologic and laboratory evidence for a causal association between variant CJD and BSE. The absence of confirmed cases of variant CJD in other geographic areas free of BSE supports a causal association. In addition, the interval between the most likely period for the initial extended exposure of the population to potentially BSE-contaminated food (1984-1986) and onset of initial variant CJD cases (1994-1996) is consistent with known incubation periods for CJD. An experimental study reported in June 1996 showed that three cynomologus macaque monkeys inoculated with brain tissue obtained from cattle with BSE had clinical and neuropathological features strikingly similar to those of variant CJD. Now the villians of the piece was the Cattle/Sheep Feed Producers who did not have to declare what was in the animal feed. So they used waste from the meat processors as a protien addition to the animal feed. OK farmers fed it to the animals but hindsight is a great thing.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 16, 2005 22:10:02 GMT 1
As you seem an expert on Agricultural matters SlimShandy tell me where I can get any subsidies on this farm; 100 Ha Total 60 Ha Grass of which 40Ha is permanent pasture 40 Ha Forage Maize 150 Milkers 150 Followers. I will log back in for your answer tonight. Well the answer is none at all. The farm above is the one I work on. So please Mr Shandy do not lump all farmers together. As the Riverside has put on this thread generalisation is very poor. A Dairy Farm which is what I know about is a totally different farm to an Arable farm which I know very little about. If you think Farm work is such a hoot feel free to join me any morning at 5am for morning milking, thats ANY of the 365 days of the year. I will cook you breakfast around 9am while we have an hour and a half off work. Back at 10.30am for a bit of work. Coffee and a sandwich at 1pm back to work at 1.40pm till 4pm, when I start afternoon milking till 6pm. Then its home for a bath and dinner if you are lucky, maybe a cow to calve before leaving or may have to come back at 11pm to check on the cattle. If anyone else fancies it for a day send me a PM or reply below. There all this weekend except Sunday afternoon when the boss said he will do the milking for me while I help finish the fanzine off. I dont drive a brand new Range Rover (N Reg Escort) my boss drives an old BMW and we have an A Reg Land Rover for farm work. We get 18p a litre for the Milk, 10 years ago we got 26p a litre, thats one of the reasons Tescos are getting fatter. I took 4 Bull Calves to market on Tuesday, each one made £2, but the Toll and Commision to sell them with VAT came to £2.57p each. When I first came to Shropshire in 1975 over 10% of the population was employed in agriculture, today that figure is under 2%. Its an industry dying on its feet, just look at the farm sales in the Shropshire Star. A mate of mine is selling his cows in May, had enough. He can make money storing peoples caravans in the sheds he uses for cattle. I dont want handouts just want a fair price for the milk I produce. 20p a litre would be nice, that would be a penny a pint to the consumer as we could not expect the supermarkets to cover this cost. I dont want sympathy, I chose this way of life and know no different. I actually enjoy it. I get tremendous job satisfaction from breeding cattle and milking them.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Feb 16, 2005 22:33:30 GMT 1
Mr Tesco and his friends are killing of all British production, not just farming. We are closing a factory in the Midlands (160 jobs gone and more to go next year) and moving production to Thailand. As far as dairy farming is concerned, what Tesco doesn't kill DEFRA and various barmy EU regulations will ![:(](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0177.gif)
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