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Post by telfordSHREWS on Feb 13, 2005 14:12:19 GMT 1
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chrisj
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Post by chrisj on Feb 13, 2005 14:30:44 GMT 1
Trouble is, people have very different feelings about drums etc. A few years back, sick of the miserable atmosphere at GM where the only singing seemed to be about the IRA, a few of us (me and Chris H and some others) tried to start a band. We were only allowed in the family stand at first - some folks liked it some hated it (Fair enough, it was a bloody racket as we were told to stay at the back, right under the metal roof!). Then we were finally allowed on the Riverside, but deliberately sited as far away from any singing as posssible and there was very little impact. I wanted to stand in my usual spot (near the scaffolding) and get everyone going - singing, jumping up and down etc. Think Aldershot! I can't be bothered any more, I'm too p**sed of with the attitude of the club. To be honest I can't help but feel that at the end of the season, GP will get sick of trying to motivate such an inert, reactionary bunch and seek pastures new. In a few years we'll look back and think we could have kept him if only the club had tried to move at least into the 20th century, even if they couldn't manage the 21st. Funny isn't it how they've managed to clamp down so effectively on standing on yellow lines and drums, but seem powerless to move on racists?
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 13, 2005 14:36:34 GMT 1
Funny isn't it how they've managed to clamp down so effectively on standing on yellow lines and drums, but seem powerless to move on racists? Top point Well put
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Post by rob on Feb 13, 2005 14:50:22 GMT 1
Harsh, if we stay up, there is a lot to attaract keep a manager at Gay Meadow.
1. decent attendances for a club our size, in our position 2. A new ground on the way 3.the club is solvant 4. new training facilities and other facilities?? 5. Increased supporter involvement in the guise of a ST 6. We are a league side 7. A blank canvass to start with as most of the sqaud will be out of contract.
Doubt there will be many better jobs available in the summer....
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Post by aleix on Feb 13, 2005 16:09:49 GMT 1
I'll bring him over
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Post by MarkRowley on Feb 13, 2005 16:14:17 GMT 1
The great Manolo, he would indeed be very welcome. Had a good laugh in his bar when I went to see Valencia a few months ago.
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Post by aleix on Feb 13, 2005 16:17:25 GMT 1
E-PA-ÑA! *boom boom boom* E-PA-ÑA! *boom boom boom* Pity he supports España
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 13, 2005 16:57:47 GMT 1
Funny isn't it how they've managed to clamp down so effectively on standing on yellow lines and drums, but seem powerless to move on racists? I was giving out questionnaires for the OSC on the riverside because it was raining and we got too wet standing int he narrows It was 20 minutes before kick off A steward came and grabbed onto my arm and told me to move, pushing me along, because I was obstructing a yellow line There is racist abuse at a subsequent game and we get a tannoy announcement becuase stewards are not willing to "confront" individual fans he confronted me all right, took me by the arm and pushed me out of the yellow box
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Post by ianwhit on Feb 13, 2005 17:00:32 GMT 1
ade p has spoken to gp about this and has asked a few times for volunters for a band...
has anyone offered their services to ade?
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chrisj
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Post by chrisj on Feb 13, 2005 17:59:57 GMT 1
ade p has spoken to gp about this and has asked a few times for volunters for a band... has anyone offered their services to ade? I play the drums and I'll volunteer so long as 1. There's a decent sized group of fans actually want it, and 2. I can get to stand roughly where I usually do, not stuck out in Siberia.
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Post by pawlo on Feb 13, 2005 18:08:33 GMT 1
Im pretty hot on the triangle
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Post by rob on Feb 13, 2005 18:13:15 GMT 1
old git plays the trumpet or is it trombone?
Either way he's pretty good if a tiny bit rusty
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 13, 2005 18:15:32 GMT 1
Why not put the band on top of the gantry. At least it puts it to some use
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 13, 2005 19:54:25 GMT 1
The band was terrific at the back of the Family Stand. I think it was on the slippery slope when it started a conga around the stand - the stewards were up in arms.
There was one quality moment I can clearly recall - we fell two goals behind late in the second half and the band started playing the theme to Mission Impossible - much to everyone's amusement.
Whitters has suggested we email him four the attention of GP. Maybe we should.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Feb 13, 2005 22:45:03 GMT 1
Funny isn't it how they've managed to clamp down so effectively on standing on yellow lines and drums, but seem powerless to move on racists? with the upmost respect - the lines are there for safety reasons.. just like the law says you have to travel at 40mph when there are roadworks - the club can be closed down and have its safety certificate taken off them. Its that serious. Nobody at Shrewsbury Town were bothered about the instruments, it was the authorities who were concerned about batons for the drums. People slag off the safety office and in the past Mal Starkey but if people knew the constraints the club are put under they would understand. No one at STFC is a kill job.. its the saftey certificate brigade.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Feb 13, 2005 23:06:09 GMT 1
No one at STFC is a kill job.. its the saftey certificate brigade. But at no other club within league 2 there is a problem with this ?
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Post by pawlo on Feb 13, 2005 23:15:03 GMT 1
But at no other club within league 2 there is a problem with this ? But to be fair, if any other club in league two wanted to relocate to a new ground, providing excellent community facilities, the local council would have gone out of their way to help them. This is SABC remember
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Post by rob on Feb 13, 2005 23:40:03 GMT 1
to be fair Matt, i suggest you go on the offcial board and read 'tommys' post, you sort of get the impression certain people within the club are being tossers
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 14, 2005 0:01:53 GMT 1
with the upmost respect - the lines are there for safety reasons.. just like the law says you have to travel at 40mph when there are roadworks - the club can be closed down and have its safety certificate taken off them. Its that serious. Nobody at Shrewsbury Town were bothered about the instruments, it was the authorities who were concerned about batons for the drums. People slag off the safety office and in the past Mal Starkey but if people knew the constraints the club are put under they would understand. No one at STFC is a kill job.. its the saftey certificate brigade. You are saying the same thing as ChrisJ regarding yellowlines. Why bring Mal Starkey into the equation I thought Clive Parry was the saftey guy at the Meadow, anyhow loads of people get slagged off on here. I think its double standards that people object to. Why can some fans have a band and others not?
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Post by rob on Feb 14, 2005 0:37:26 GMT 1
why can other fans buy lovely food at dooty matches (Norwich, Spurs, walsall, Kiddie) where as we get served up overpriced, undercooked crap....
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 14, 2005 11:16:32 GMT 1
Again, this is gonna be so much easier at the new ground. If we have an 'end' behind the goal thats gonna be where the singers, drummers etc are gonna be then folk who dont like that sort of thing know not to sit there... I'd like to see more flags at the Meadow an all, I think they add to the atmos...good way of showing the clubs colours...sommat like this...
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chrisj
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Post by chrisj on Feb 14, 2005 11:34:23 GMT 1
with the upmost respect - the lines are there for safety reasons.. just like the law says you have to travel at 40mph when there are roadworks - the club can be closed down and have its safety certificate taken off them. Its that serious. Nobody at Shrewsbury Town were bothered about the instruments, it was the authorities who were concerned about batons for the drums. People slag off the safety office and in the past Mal Starkey but if people knew the constraints the club are put under they would understand. No one at STFC is a kill job.. its the saftey certificate brigade. Two points - 1. Don't deliberately misinterpret me - I never said I had a problem with the yellow lines, I'm more p**sed off the club manages to deal with that 'offence' but not the criminal offence of racial abuse. What if someone made a complaint that STFC were allowing known individuals habitually breaking the law on their premises? Would that not affect licensing in some way? 2. Why are we the only club I know of (and I did ring around loads of other clubs when I was originally involved with this) who has this problem with drums? Perhaps because it hasn't dealt with the nasty people?
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Feb 14, 2005 11:38:44 GMT 1
Trouble is, people have very different feelings about drums etc. A few years back, sick of the miserable atmosphere at GM where the only singing seemed to be about the IRA, a few of us (me and Chris H and some others) tried to start a band. We were only allowed in the family stand at first - some folks liked it some hated it (Fair enough, it was a bloody racket as we were told to stay at the back, right under the metal roof!). Then we were finally allowed on the Riverside, but deliberately sited as far away from any singing as posssible and there was very little impact. I wanted to stand in my usual spot (near the scaffolding) and get everyone going - singing, jumping up and down etc. Think Aldershot! I can't be bothered any more, I'm too p**sed of with the attitude of the club. To be honest I can't help but feel that at the end of the season, GP will get sick of trying to motivate such an inert, reactionary bunch and seek pastures new. In a few years we'll look back and think we could have kept him if only the club had tried to move at least into the 20th century, even if they couldn't manage the 21st. Funny isn't it how they've managed to clamp down so effectively on standing on yellow lines and drums, but seem powerless to move on racists? Well said m8. Totally agree. It is soemthing I'm concenrned about. Gary is very much a can do person. We have a culture unfortunately at times of cant do. It's about compromise, and not everyone likes a band and noise. I know for instance at Lincoln where they have a band in the Co-op Stand, those in the Stacey West Stand hate it. We do have to obey laws and rules, but if you can compromise and look a solutions then things can be worked out. The ideal solutuion is to get a drum or a trumpet player as close to the Riverside singing section as possible. If we cant then we have to look maybe at some sort of amplification maybe. However things like cost money, time, and effort, and consultation. So are we up for it or what?
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Post by rob on Feb 14, 2005 13:00:59 GMT 1
like York City 'soccer' club a few seasons ago? Can jus imagine speakers and amps and what not dotted around the outskirts of the pitch with Fly the Flag blairing out of them
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2005 13:06:36 GMT 1
Something does need to be done regarding atmosphere at the Meadow. There have been times in the recent past that the place has been absolutely rocking so the old 'you can't generate atmosphere because of the poor acoustics etc etc' arguement doesn't work on me. I don't like bands myself but that's my personal opinion. I am sure there are some people who love them and some people who think otherwise.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Feb 14, 2005 13:54:32 GMT 1
I think generally Shropshire people are a quiet bunch. Our passion for football isnt the same as say Newcastle or Liverpool, but our passion is more a deeper love. A commitment. Noise wise and suport wise we arent the best by a long chalk, I dont think we are the worst either. We do have fans who spectate rather than support. However previous occasions have shown that even the Wakeman End can give a good chorus of ' Come on you Blues' sometimes!
My fear is that GP wants a ground full of Town fans creating lots of atmosphere, and intimdating. I just wonder whether this is really in our make up. Trouble is does GP want to be a manager of club that doesnt have fans like that. My personally opinon is that I can see him going somewhere where the fans do make noise, and are more passionate on the outside as a whole.
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Post by timgallon on Feb 14, 2005 14:00:33 GMT 1
I think what GP wants is Pete Bason cloned 5,000 times
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Post by robspaceman1 on Feb 14, 2005 14:45:24 GMT 1
i don't like bands in football stadiums.... i object to being orchestrated!
spontaneous chanting is part of what makes going to footy games fun, and once you start telling the supporters what they're supposed to be singing (most bands, no disrespect, churn out the same tired old 3 or 4 tunes - that england supporters one really p**ses me off...) then youre in the realms of those cringe-worthy clubs that think its cool to play 'rousing' music after a goal.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Feb 14, 2005 14:53:17 GMT 1
i don't like bands in football stadiums.... i object to being orchestrated! spontaneous chanting is part of what makes going to footy games fun, and once you start telling the supporters what they're supposed to be singing (most bands, no disrespect, churn out the same tired old 3 or 4 tunes - that england supporters one really p**ses me off...) then youre in the realms of those cringe-worthy clubs that think its cool to play 'rousing' music after a goal. Each to their own. I like the fact that music is played after goals. As I said maybe its a Shropshire thing
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Post by Immo1 on Feb 14, 2005 15:12:36 GMT 1
Basically the answer is 'no' unless you can speak to GP directly coz no one else wants to know <too busy, not my job, speak to xyz> Bloody disgraceful STFC, this person aint doin it for his own kicks (well I hope not ) it's adhering to a request from the manager. Someone get his offer to GP as it's obvious he's the only one who can be @rsed to do something about it.
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