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Post by Minor on Jan 31, 2005 10:26:19 GMT 1
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 31, 2005 10:30:05 GMT 1
To be fair its not just town managers of the years who trot that excuse out!!!
Atkins was at it again the other week, the Oldham boss yesterday, Hoddle after the against arsenal at the weekend and lots of other managers as well.
p**ses me off that GP thinks we need luck when actually Gary we need fecking goals !!!!!
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Jan 31, 2005 10:59:36 GMT 1
I doubt even if we stay up now that GP will stay, he is finding out that towns fans are not in it for a fight, like he has repeated time and time again, seems the majority are more interested in how big the supporters bar is or is not going to be, the effort in this project is stiring more passion than trying to support a lack lusture strike force, he sees the effort put in in training, the team taking on the new ideas, now I hear that Langmead is sh*t (he has had 2 bad games) and Luke is finished, like it or not the club can not afford to bring anymore players in until some are shifted out, also I doubt that we can pay any off either, so why not try and get the best out of what we have ? everyone knows what Luke is capable of.
Some one from the Wakeman stand shouted the usual helpful words of encouragement on Sat " f*&k of Rodgers your ffing sh*t" and more, Darby was warming up in front of us and heard the crap from behind, his words to me and my mother " you have no idea of how much that doesn't help him" "me, i'm not bothered anymore, there are some great supporters here but some like them really drag some of the players down" Darby by the way is a really lovely chap, who will chat with anyone when he can, the Kids were loving it, he made their day on Sat , oh! he hasn't given up, and still will do as much as he can to make sure Town beat the drop whilst he is still here.
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Post by mancshrew on Jan 31, 2005 11:20:13 GMT 1
Couldn't agree more with MeoleShrew Ditto those who cheered/booed when Challis was substituted (and for the abuse for the 60minutes previously). Yes he was having a bad game and may have played poorly for some weeks but he's hardly likely to play with much confidence when he's got people screaming at him how bad he is all game
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2005 11:31:56 GMT 1
I doubt even if we stay up now that GP will stay, he is finding out that towns fans are not in it for a fight, like he has repeated time and time again, seems the majority are more interested in how big the supporters bar is or is not going to be, the effort in this project is stiring more passion than trying to support a lack lusture strike force, What a ridiculous statement. Your point about getting behind the players is fine, but why bring in the supporters bar issue?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2005 11:52:52 GMT 1
'we're not getting that bit of luck' commented Shrewsbury boss (delete as applicable) Peters/ Quinn/ Ratcliffe/ King There can be no doubting saturdays performance was poor, but I do agree with GP that we are not getting that bit of luck that goes your way when you are at the top. On another day the two disallowed efforts from langmead in the first half and Sedgemore in the 90th minute were very borderline decisions. Had they been from Chelsea, or even Yeovil the goals would possibly have stood. Also when a team is at the bottom you have to work harder to get the results and likewise so do the supporters, it is hard to get behind the team when there is little to shout about, but we have to find a way to raise our vocal support in the same way we expect the team to raise their performance.
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Post by Bilbo on Jan 31, 2005 13:12:55 GMT 1
Disagree with that comment. We haven't had the best of results in the last couple of weeks and goal scoring as been abysmal, yet we're still getting 3600+ gates. That tells me that the fans are in for a fight.
Your always going to get your moaners and that goes for any football club in the country.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 31, 2005 13:19:56 GMT 1
Compare the gates to five years ago. Unbelievable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2005 13:26:05 GMT 1
Compare the gates to five years ago. Unbelievable. Even 3 years ago Sean. Incredible to think that we barely reached 3,000 for games in the first 2/3 of the 2001/2 season when pushing for promotion. The Everton game, form of Rodgers and Aiston, and last season did a lot for this club but we sadly failed to capitalise
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Post by rob on Jan 31, 2005 13:34:15 GMT 1
beat me to it Sean.
I'm pretty amzed the gates appear to be holding up anywhere near approaching 4,000.
People tolerate crap football when a side is winning, but when a side is playing crap football (not even entertaining footy-ala Ratcliffe era) and still losing normally people drift away quite rapidly
considering the gates the club would expect to get when doing well (5,500+) the gates are very good.
Also look at what the supporters are doing off the pitch
-formation of supporters trust -painting of the training ground -working groups with the club -he must have been made aware of the supporters efforts ala the new meadow and SUFAN -attendances at Q+A sessions
Considering we havent had a supporters trust (which is normally the most proactive and centralised supporters body at a club) I'm quite amazed with how much certain (and quite a lot of other supporters) do for the club.
If all of this is good enough for Gary Peters (and there is no suggestion it isnt) then he should go, because he'll struggle to get a better response from supporters at a struggling, decaying country bumpkin club
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Post by Immo1 on Jan 31, 2005 14:40:31 GMT 1
Fans aren't up for the fight my @rse, what utter tosh. The fans are critical because they care so much. There are fans and I'm just one that travel 5hr round trips for a home game, why the hell aren't we up for a fight? Because we criticise liability left backs? Challis must have been a cat in a previous life because I'm at the stage now where I'm feelin that if he's in startin line up I'll not bother travellin down (and that must be bad). Challis seems to be on a one man crusade to take us back to the hell hole his penalty took us out of, he'll get no sympathy whatsoever from my corner. Anyway back to the point - average nearly 4k and 3rd from bottom, thats better fighting spirit than Cambridge, Kiddi, Rushden, Chester..........Keep it up STFC I say
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2005 14:53:55 GMT 1
Challis must have been a cat in a previous life because I'm at the stage now where I'm feelin that if he's in startin line up I'll not bother travellin down (and that must be bad). Challis seems to be on a one man crusade to take us back to the hell hole his penalty took us out of, he'll get no sympathy whatsoever from my corner. If everyone is having a go at Challis how come Darren Moss is getting no criticism. Since his return from suspension he has been very poor and was abysmal on saturday.
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Post by Immo1 on Jan 31, 2005 14:57:49 GMT 1
Hairism Moss doesn't have the weight of responsibilty of personal goals against (that's my reasoning anyway) I honestly think it's an application thing, he knows GP don't want him (SO DON'T PLAY HIM THEN!)
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Jan 31, 2005 14:58:45 GMT 1
What a ridiculous statement. Your point about getting behind the players is fine, but why bring in the supporters bar issue? Ahh Gareth, my ridiculous statement states that some fans will back a bar slightly better than they will back some players, ridiculous though my words maybe, back Luke as much as backing a supporters bar, ie with the same intensity you might just get the goals that we and HE wants, just like we might get a larger bar, this is what GP asked for when he came, he has repeated it won't be an easy ride !! We all have different opinions don't we mine although ridiculous are my opinions, they are mine and I like to trot the ridiculous out every now and again when I feel others are being just a bit more ridiculous !!
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Jan 31, 2005 15:02:22 GMT 1
Disagree with that comment. We haven't had the best of results in the last couple of weeks and goal scoring as been abysmal, yet we're still getting 3600+ gates. That tells me that the fans are in for a fight. Your always going to get your moaners and that goes for any football club in the country. Dave your quite right, moaners yes, but personal abuse directed at players like Luke does no good, I sat there on Sat and said to the person next to me flamin cr@p, but I didn't shout f*&k off Rodgers you useless tw@t, thats the difference
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Jan 31, 2005 15:08:12 GMT 1
Fans aren't up for the fight my @rse, what utter tosh. The fans are critical because they care so much. There are fans and I'm just one that travel 5hr round trips for a home game, why the hell aren't we up for a fight? Because we criticise liability left backs? Challis must have been a cat in a previous life because I'm at the stage now where I'm feelin that if he's in startin line up I'll not bother travellin down (and that must be bad). Challis seems to be on a one man crusade to take us back to the hell hole his penalty took us out of, he'll get no sympathy whatsoever from my corner. Anyway back to the point - average nearly 4k and 3rd from bottom, thats better fighting spirit than Cambridge, Kiddi, Rushden, Chester..........Keep it up STFC I say The support on the whole from the riverside is great, I just wish the dugouts were that side too, the stuff that comes from the wakeman stand where I HAVE to sit is horrendous, that is what the subs hear as well as GP and of course those on the pitch, the oppo's smile sometimes when they hear its aimed at our own players,, ie what have some people got against Tolley, I still heard abuse directed at him after the Darlo and Brizzle games?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 31, 2005 15:26:14 GMT 1
this is a big chicken and egg argument
Challis was rubbish on Saturday and got booed
Was he rubbish because people booed, or was he just rubbish and then people booed?
Well, I am pretty sure the booing didn't help him
BUT he has been poor over the last 3 months, with little booing, so it can't just be the fans
I don't buy the line that fans make a huge difference anyway, we have had times of poor support, we have had times of great support, but we've still watched some misreable football over the last ten years.
We have had some of our greatest ever victories in front of tiny support.
Why did the supporters bar arouse so much passion? Let down by the players, the management, and ultimately the directors on numerous occasions for many years - i gues some people reach breaking point
The supporters bar was the very definition of the lack of care an attention shown to fans, and it hurt, but we are now working together, constructively, to achieve a solution. That is proactive fans working in their own time to develop an idea. Why is that a problem? Does that deny someone the right to hold an opinion on the form of Luke Rodgers?
Notts County away we had magnificent support but we were woeful, absolutely dire.
Think of the great away support we had at the likes of Leigh RMI, Forest Green and others
In my opinion the best two away performances last season were against hereford and Barnet (play offs), we lost them both, but I was proud to be a Shrewsbury fan that day, and the players were roundly applauded by huge travelling support on both days
so don't anyone suggest to me that as a fan I am to blame for the current predicament of the playing staff, commitment of players or tactics of the team or the strategic direction of the club, and it is not our fault about the state of the pitch either, or the introduction of the transfer window.
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Post by Minor on Jan 31, 2005 15:47:23 GMT 1
I don't buy the line that fans make a huge difference anyway, we have had times of poor support, we have had times of great support, but we've still watched some misreable football over the last ten years. We have had some of our greatest ever victories in front of tiny support. Why did the supporters bar arouse so much passion? Let down by the players, the management, and ultimately the directors on numerous occasions for many years - i gues some people reach breaking point The supporters bar was the very definition of the lack of care an attention shown to fans, and it hurt, but we are now working together, constructively, to achieve a solution. That is proactive fans working in their own time to develop an idea. Why is that a problem? Does that deny someone the right to hold an opinion on the form of Luke Rodgers? Notts County away we had magnificent support but we were woeful, absolutely dire. Think of the great away support we had at the likes of Leigh RMI, Forest Green and others In my opinion the best two away performances last season were against hereford and Barnet (play offs), we lost them both, but I was proud to be a Shrewsbury fan that day, and the players were roundly applauded by huge travelling support on both days so don't anyone suggest to me that as a fan I am to blame for the current predicament of the playing staff, commitment of players or tactics of the team or the strategic direction of the club, and it is not our fault about the state of the pitch either, or the introduction of the transfer window.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 31, 2005 15:55:46 GMT 1
Question
Who is to blame for Trevor Challis playing poorly for Shrewsbury
Answer
Trevor Challis (and possibly Gary Peters)
Simple!!!
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Post by rob on Jan 31, 2005 16:07:29 GMT 1
wow people shout personal abuse at players???
I started going when at the tail end of the 93/94 season and there were individuals who would shout racist abuse at Zico Taylor, Mickey Brown and later Throb. Untill the club does something about this minority there is very little that we the supporters can do about it other than confront them and more than likely cause a disturbance on the terraces...
look past the micro and concentrate on the macro (think thats right) the supporters are backing the team the best way a team can be backed, by turning up, they are also getting behind the side.
But just as the players shout at each other, for yet another ill-timed cock up, so the supporters have right to voice their criticisim as long as its not mindless "F off you sheeplover"-to Tolley or whatever.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 31, 2005 16:18:21 GMT 1
wow people shout personal abuse at players??? look past the micro and concentrate on the macro You can tell hes at Uni Now!!!
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Post by Minor on Jan 31, 2005 16:18:47 GMT 1
Question Who is to blame for Trevor Challis playing poorly for Shrewsbury Answer Trevor Challis (and possibly Gary Peters) Simple!!!
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Jan 31, 2005 17:01:34 GMT 1
this is a big chicken and egg argument Challis was rubbish on Saturday and got booed Was he rubbish because people booed, or was he just rubbish and then people booed? Well, I am pretty sure the booing didn't help him BUT he has been poor over the last 3 months, with little booing, so it can't just be the fans I don't buy the line that fans make a huge difference anyway, we have had times of poor support, we have had times of great support, but we've still watched some misreable football over the last ten years. We have had some of our greatest ever victories in front of tiny support. Why did the supporters bar arouse so much passion? Let down by the players, the management, and ultimately the directors on numerous occasions for many years - i gues some people reach breaking point The supporters bar was the very definition of the lack of care an attention shown to fans, and it hurt, but we are now working together, constructively, to achieve a solution. That is proactive fans working in their own time to develop an idea. Why is that a problem? Does that deny someone the right to hold an opinion on the form of Luke Rodgers? Notts County away we had magnificent support but we were woeful, absolutely dire. Think of the great away support we had at the likes of Leigh RMI, Forest Green and others In my opinion the best two away performances last season were against hereford and Barnet (play offs), we lost them both, but I was proud to be a Shrewsbury fan that day, and the players were roundly applauded by huge travelling support on both days so don't anyone suggest to me that as a fan I am to blame for the current predicament of the playing staff, commitment of players or tactics of the team or the strategic direction of the club, and it is not our fault about the state of the pitch either, or the introduction of the transfer window. Dave you are right, but we are fighting relegation, is hurling personal abuse at the players in general the right thing, challis was absoulute dross, its anyones guess why he has fallen by the way side, (Ashton was coming back from injury so I guess GP didnt want to risk him for the whole game.) to abuse him like SOME fans did, does him or us no favours, as back up he is all we have available at the moment. All i'm saying is the manager told it how it was when he came here, its not going to be pretty, it won't alter over night, he asked for judgement day when the season is over, I understand panic is setting in, but if we want the players to keep their nerve then so do we
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Post by rob on Jan 31, 2005 17:22:42 GMT 1
cheers Glyn, still have the spelling ability of a three year old though
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Post by Minor on Jan 31, 2005 18:08:43 GMT 1
cheers Glyn, still have the spelling ability of a three year old though A three year old what though ?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 31, 2005 21:22:03 GMT 1
I don't think we're getting the best of luck when a sure fire comical own goal bobbles against the post or the ref changes his mind over awarding a goal or the opposition get a pen from their only attack. I'm not paranoid, but they're definitely ganging up on us
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 31, 2005 21:29:26 GMT 1
Agreed DavefromAulty. There is no doubt that we are forgetting that on Saturday we did have two goals disallowed which on a good day one at least would have stood.
Wycombe did only score from a penalty and they didn't have that many chances apart from that.
I agree that 'they are ganging up on us' but surely it must change sometime.
With regard to abuse at players - I don't think it helps anyone - sure have a go at the final whistle if you must but not during the match - it can't possibly make things better particularly for younger players. Not everyone is a Jemmo who would just rise to the occasion, be very bloody minded, and try to prove us wrong.
By the way, don't kid yourselves that the offenders are just in the Wakeman Stand. Some in the Centre Stand are just as bad - one bad move and they're off with calls of 'resign' to whatever manager we happen to have and ........................ (name your own player) your rubbish. I too am beginning to wish that the dugouts were on the Riverside where at least most of you are and whatever you thought at the time you would still keep supporting.
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Post by SlimShandy on Feb 1, 2005 18:08:29 GMT 1
The random thing about this thread is that it seems you're not supposed to criticise the players, even if they're playign rubbish, but then you CAN slur the entire supporter community by saying they're not up for the fight.
I think the comment about the supporters bar being more important to some fans than results on the pitch is possibly the biggest piece of ****wittage posted on here.
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Post by DDAS 5 on Feb 1, 2005 19:39:56 GMT 1
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Feb 1, 2005 20:51:25 GMT 1
I think the comment about the supporters bar being more important to some fans than results on the pitch is possibly the biggest piece of ****wittage posted on here. Your missing the point..... this isn't a oh not another mid table finish, its another flamin relegation battle, the battle for the bar seems to be bigger than the battle to support the players, look from the other side, look at it from a players point of view, or GP's or the board, some very vocal fans start abusing the players the first mistake they make, infact with the likes of Tolley before he has even kicked the bloody ball, I sat there on Sat cursing quite a few players, but not out loud, I am one of few where I sit to urge the players on, my comparision with the supporters bar is to show how support can work (I hope) we get a bigger bar, we do all we can to get the most out of these players that we pay every week by positive support
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