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Post by rob on Jan 13, 2005 12:25:43 GMT 1
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Post by ear to the ground on Jan 13, 2005 12:29:00 GMT 1
2 people from STFC went to the cop shop yesterday to try and reduce the police costs at gay meadow... the answer NO
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Post by rob on Jan 13, 2005 12:34:26 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2005 12:39:11 GMT 1
2 people from STFC went to the cop shop yesterday to try and reduce the police costs at gay meadow... the answer NO Check B&A Issue 2 where my chat with Keith S talked about this. Keith thought that Bill Wingrove would have the ability to negotiate police costs downwards. Unfortunately, doesn't seem to have occured.
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Post by Norway on Jan 13, 2005 13:21:25 GMT 1
2 people from STFC went to the cop shop yesterday to try and reduce the police costs at gay meadow... the answer NO Computer says nooooo.
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Post by rob on Jan 13, 2005 14:32:35 GMT 1
erm, having paid Ant for the issue, I'm still waiting for it
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Jan 13, 2005 15:07:47 GMT 1
Check B&A Issue 2 where my chat with Keith S talked about this. Keith thought that Bill Wingrove would have the ability to negotiate police costs downwards. Unfortunately, doesn't seem to have occured. bill tried.. computer said no... i had my camera here is my pic ! :-)
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Post by Guest on Jan 13, 2005 18:33:17 GMT 1
And we think West Mercia are scumbags ? Do we That may be your mature, level headed, law abiding citizen?? view. They do an almost impossible job very well. Lets face it, compared to the vast majority of jobs they have the real crap to deal with and sort out. It also seems to be the easiest job in the world to have a pop at. In this day and age, it's almost expected that people will complain about the police, enough posters on here do. Give the people a break, they are just doing a job..and a damn good one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2005 18:54:20 GMT 1
Yes of course they are How much is it they charge these days for a high profile match?
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Post by soupie on Jan 13, 2005 19:24:43 GMT 1
And we think West Mercia are scumbags ? Do we That may be your mature, level headed, law abiding citizen?? view. They do an almost impossible job very well. Lets face it, compared to the vast majority of jobs they have the real cr@p to deal with and sort out. It also seems to be the easiest job in the world to have a pop at. In this day and age, it's almost expected that people will complain about the police, enough posters on here do. Give the people a break, they are just doing a job..and a damn good one. Well said Guest, whoever you are I was going to post similar, until I saw yours - no more to be said. Consider yourself suitably chastised, Festival Shrew.
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Post by shrewforever on Jan 13, 2005 20:22:17 GMT 1
You got copyright clearance to use that pic Snapper? ??
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Post by rob on Jan 13, 2005 20:30:35 GMT 1
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Post by skunkie on Jan 13, 2005 20:31:59 GMT 1
Does the Policing of Football games require police officers to be paid overtime at inflated rates,double pay etc.Then surely there should be some kind of independant system to goven the costs to the Police Public and Football clubs.To give the Police a free hand to dictate how many they need seems open to abuse . Members of the public who watch some over policed games wonder if they are getting value-for-Money from a Police Force with limited resources.We need the Police on board with us.
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Post by jamo on Jan 13, 2005 20:36:09 GMT 1
Well said Guest, whoever you are I was going to post similar, until I saw yours - no more to be said. Consider yourself suitably chastised, Festival Shrew. But unlike "guest" soupie you would have had the courage to put a name to your post. He's just guilty of the same as he accuses other's of, having an easy pop at something that is there to be shot at. By and large i think the rozzer's do a decent job down the Meadow as anyone who was at the Swansea game will testify although i also think that on occasions they overreact and make a reasonably harmless atmosphere appear quite tense. But we do need them and should pay for them. I do really hate being video taped by them though.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 13, 2005 20:45:30 GMT 1
I think the police at the Meadow do a good job and there are certainly some matches when it is good to have them there. However, I listened to the interview on Radio 5 with the Wigan chairman and was appalled at how much the Greater Manchester police charge them compared to similar games in other areas - do they think all clubs can pay what Man U and Man City can??? He quoted £19,000 when Notts Forest came to them compared to about £2000 when Forest visited Burnley and Preston - there must be something wrong somewhere surely? I always thought the cost was the same per policeman - there you go niaive again
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2005 21:33:27 GMT 1
The main problem with this is there should be an independant body who sets the stall, and the police should inform the club of the origin of there inteligence and the source should be traceable and legit.
they set the standards then say nobody else can do it but us and if you disagree we will shut you down, oh by the way its gonna cost you £ loads......
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Post by goindownthewylecop on Jan 13, 2005 22:19:20 GMT 1
But unlike "guest" soupie you would have had the courage to put a name to your post. He's just guilty of the same as he accuses other's of, having an easy pop at something that is there to be shot at. Who cares whether someone puts their own name to a decent post like that (eg 'guest's post)? I dont know 'jamo' personally, and I dont know 'guest' either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2005 10:58:01 GMT 1
To be honest, the performance of the Police at high profile games seems to have markedly improved over the last 18 months. Even Ant has been heard to say the odd complimentary word about them. We still hear stories of individual case where Policemen do not act in a manner that befits their status – me being almost run over before the Swansea game by a Police Van for instance…. However, things have improved since we had Police marching around the ground at the end of the Carlisle and Sc***horpe games in 2003, in a particularly intimidating manner. That said, our Directors had requested a high level of police presence as they ‘expected trouble’. So who is to blame the Police for being safe rather than sorry? The story about Wigan is horrendous however.
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Post by soupie on Jan 14, 2005 18:02:58 GMT 1
Following my post concerning the title of this thread, Festival Shrew took the time and trouble to PM me apologising and saying that he did not mean to cause offence to anyone. I have replied to him, but I thought I ought to say on this thread - "Well done young man, and thank you".
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Jan 14, 2005 20:28:52 GMT 1
We still hear stories of individual case where Policemen do not act in a manner that befits their status – me being almost run over before the Swansea game by a Police Van for instance…. I could have warned you about that but it was fun to watch you just selling fanzines with your back to the Policevan
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Post by jamo on Jan 14, 2005 20:55:00 GMT 1
– me being almost run over before the Swansea game by a Police Van for instance…. Your just not good at practical matters are you
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2005 22:19:39 GMT 1
Your just not good at practical matters are you And your use of apostrophes is simply dreadful. But I make no fuss about that do I?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2005 23:41:55 GMT 1
Yes, policing of games has noticeably improved in recent seasons
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 15, 2005 3:51:56 GMT 1
I am interested in Keith Sayfritz having the opinion that the police could be knocked down a bit. A few years ago there was a meeting between fans, the club and the police and it was quite clear from that meeting that the police chap in question was convinced he could charge more than he was doing.
Interestingly, after that meeting the police stopped donning riot gear at the Gay Meadow because there was an r in the month - even though the position at the meeting was - its a H&S responsibility I have for the constables.
I am, therefore, entirely disinclined to believe that the police have the small amount of discretion in this matter than was suggested at the meeting.
Another recollection I have is the utter shambles over the Stafford Rangers FA Cup game that the police denied publicly they had anything to do with. Although the club demured when the opportunity was there to back-up the story.
Another bugbear for me is the issue of the 7 days notice of postponement, unless the club is charged. This came down to one thing and one thing only - cosy restrictive practices that is tolerated by police chiefs.
Let's have a look at the practice at other clubs:
1) Letter dated 20th January 2003 from Jackie Rockey, club secretary at Swansea City Football Club:
" Dear Sean, Thank you for your letter dated 31st December 2002.
In answer to your question, South Wales Police need 24 hours notice of a postponed fixture to ensure the Club are not billed."
2) Letter dated 8th Janauary 2003 from Mrs J.E. Nevilee, secretary of Bury Football Club
" Dear Mr Fernyhough
In reply to your letter, the current rule in greater Manchester for the cancellation of a policed game or the re-arranging of a policed game is TEN days"
3) Letter dated 24th January 2003 from Mr Ian Darler, Stadium manager/Match Day Safety Officer st cambridge United F.C.
" Dear Sean,
Thank you for your letter dated 8th December, sorry it has taken so long for a reply.
In answer to your question if we have a postponed fixture we do not get charged by the local police force as we have an extremely good working relationship with them and they are fully aware of our financial constraints. We inform the Police Liasion officer of any pitch inspections which he attends, if the game is postponed he will ring the officers before they come on duty (if this is possible), if the officers are already on duty then they are offered the chance to work on the re-arranged date/fixture.
I hope this is of some use to you."
4) Letter dated 16th December 2002 from D.J. Harper Safety Officer at Bristol Rovers Football Club.
" Dear Sean,
I refer to your letter to Toni Watola of the 8th December 2002, which has been passed to me for attention.
The situation regarding postponed games where police are involved is as follows.
BANK HOLIDAYS Full cost recovery where the game is postponed within eight days of the fixture.
OTHER DAYS 50% of costs charged if match is postponed on the day or on the day before.
Other no charge is made.
I hope this helps."
5) Letter dated 23rd November 2002 from AD Rowing, Chief Executive/Secretary of Sc***horpe United Football Club
" Dear Mr Fernyhough,
We acknowledge receipt of your recent communication and confirm that it is general policy throughout the football industry that the police require 7/8 day notice of cancellation of matches in order to alleviate the cost element."
6) letter dated 19th December 2002 from Mick Brown secretary of OXford United Football Club.
" Dear Mr Fernyhough
I wish to refer to your letter dated 15th December 2002.
I am pleased to report that we have very few matches policed these days and no policed fixtures have been postponed at short notice.
I cannot therefore give you an accurate indiacation of what we would be charged."
Unfortunately the replies I received by email were lost when I had problems with my computer, but I recall that they also showed a variation in policy.
The local police response to having a variation pointed out was, "we're doing it right."
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Post by MartinB on Jan 15, 2005 9:02:03 GMT 1
You got copyright clearance to use that pic Snapper? ?? Beat me to it Shrewforever. People breaching copyright should be shot
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Post by mattsnapper NLI on Jan 15, 2005 9:40:26 GMT 1
Beat me to it Shrewforever. People breaching copyright should be shot its a BBC picture - i pay my license fee - everyone owns it
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Post by MartinB on Jan 15, 2005 9:49:48 GMT 1
its a BBC picture - i pay my license fee - everyone owns it So you think we should scrap the copyright laws do you? ;D
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Post by jamo on Jan 15, 2005 10:02:15 GMT 1
Does that mean i can use a couple of photo's off your site Matt seeing as they're in the public domain ?.do we all own them now ?
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