craigjo
Shropshire County League
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Post by craigjo on Nov 9, 2024 20:22:50 GMT 1
Slight distraction to the major discussion points at the club.
Too similar or room for both?
For me TOR in the couple of cameos recently has offered more than Castledine. TOR seems to continually wants the ball and looks to make things happen. Castledine can go missing for large chunks of the time he's on the pitch.
Interestingly, when they were both on the pitch the same time (can't remember them being on the pitch together since) linked up well for Castledines goal against Leyton Orient.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 9, 2024 20:28:26 GMT 1
Slight distraction to the major discussion points at the club. Too similar or room for both? For me TOR in the couple of cameos recently has offered more than Castledine. TOR seems to continually wants the ball and looks to make things happen. Castledine can go missing for large chunks of the time he's on the pitch. Interestingly, when they were both on the pitch the same time (can't remember them being on the pitch together since) linked up well for Castledines goal against Leyton Orient. Start of the season they were both mustard for me pre season and early on Since then I've always liked castledine but he was poor today , orielly actually was very lively today when he came on Possibly still our 2 players with the most potential but it seems they both need nursing a bit , still Hoping it works out for them both with us |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2024 21:05:18 GMT 1
O’Reilly has better touch and control, Castledine gets more involved in the game. Both would be excellent players in a positive team, neither look like they’re going to help get us out of the mud that is this current predicament. As talented as they are, and they’re very low down my list of people to blame, but you wouldn’t really want either in the trenches.
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Post by suttonshrew on Nov 9, 2024 21:06:54 GMT 1
Agree Pilch he was poor today, TOR for me is good technically but gets lost at this level due to the physicality. I could see today why he doesn’t start
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Post by lancsman on Nov 9, 2024 21:27:51 GMT 1
Not withstanding what’s been said. Let me put something in the mix.
First off the lads did put a shift in and I agree with the points made that TOR made a difference.
The other point I want to stress is this. We have a good defence but the one thing lacking is a defender that reads the game. Let me go back to when Sadler was here. He read the game and plugged the imperfections. When he got binned off was the worst thing that happened. So my point here is that we need a defender that does what Sadler did. Our defense is pulled all over the shop by very good midfielders. League 1 is no pushover even with the likes of Burton.
End of.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Nov 9, 2024 23:58:11 GMT 1
League 1 is a very tough league physically for most of the loanees from the Premier League. They are usually loaned out partly to help them strengthen up. Of the ones we have had over the last few years only the midfielder Phillips and Saydee spring to mind as physically ready and I think both of those had been loaned out before. Both Castledine and O'Reilly have obvious talent but sadly seem to have gone backwards in their impact on games. Hopefully the incoming manager can organise the team better to make the most of their talents, even if they are not starting every time.
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Post by claphamshrew on Nov 10, 2024 1:06:19 GMT 1
Not withstanding what’s been said. Let me put something in the mix. First off the lads did put a shift in and I agree with the points made that TOR made a difference. The other point I want to stress is this. We have a good defence but the one thing lacking is a defender that reads the game. Let me go back to when Sadler was here. He read the game and plugged the imperfections. When he got binned off was the worst thing that happened. So my point here is that we need a defender that does what Sadler did. Our defense is pulled all over the shop by very good midfielders. League 1 is no pushover even with the likes of Burton. End of. Hi Lancsman. I’m just posting to agree that any further opinion should be withheld from this forum and that we should recognise that we have a good defence. End of ;-) |
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Post by zenfootball on Nov 10, 2024 10:17:03 GMT 1
Slight distraction to the major discussion points at the club. Too similar or room for both? For me TOR in the couple of cameos recently has offered more than Castledine. TOR seems to continually wants the ball and looks to make things happen. Castledine can go missing for large chunks of the time he's on the pitch. Interestingly, when they were both on the pitch the same time (can't remember them being on the pitch together since) linked up well for Castledines goal against Leyton Orient. casteldine is 19 and o 'reilly is 20 both young players , i think Csteldine started well with us but has got demoralized, O'Reilly was sidlined by Hurst so pherhaps has somthing to prove, i like both players and the problem is having them both on the field at the same time means who gets droped. what is very clear is there is no leader and the older players are not encouraging the younger ones. against Burton most are just going through the motions. |
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Post by edgmond on Nov 10, 2024 20:59:10 GMT 1
Slight distraction to the major discussion points at the club. Too similar or room for both? For me TOR in the couple of cameos recently has offered more than Castledine. TOR seems to continually wants the ball and looks to make things happen. Castledine can go missing for large chunks of the time he's on the pitch. Interestingly, when they were both on the pitch the same time (can't remember them being on the pitch together since) linked up well for Castledines goal against Leyton Orient. casteldine is 19 and o 'reilly is 20 both young players , i think Csteldine started well with us but has got demoralized, O'Reilly was sidlined by Hurst so pherhaps has somthing to prove, i like both players and the problem is having them both on the field at the same time means who gets droped. what is very clear is there is no leader and the older players are not encouraging the younger ones. against Burton most are just going through the motions. In summer 2017 a certain Ben Godfrey was 19 and a certain Carlton Morris was 21, both signed on loan from a Premier League club. They went on to play virtually every game that season. They looked like men and held their own amongst older teammates. Has something changed with the fitness/stamina of younger players in the top flight? Both TOR and Castledine look to have talent in abundance but neither looks as though he could replicate the impact of Godfrey and Morris. As others have said, the new manager needs to get the most from these two. It could be the key to rescuing our season. |
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Nov 11, 2024 11:26:23 GMT 1
casteldine is 19 and o 'reilly is 20 both young players , i think Csteldine started well with us but has got demoralized, O'Reilly was sidlined by Hurst so pherhaps has somthing to prove, i like both players and the problem is having them both on the field at the same time means who gets droped. what is very clear is there is no leader and the older players are not encouraging the younger ones. against Burton most are just going through the motions. In summer 2017 a certain Ben Godfrey was 19 and a certain Carlton Morris was 21, both signed on loan from a Premier League club. They went on to play virtually every game that season. They looked like men and held their own amongst older teammates. Has something changed with the fitness/stamina of younger players in the top flight? Both TOR and Castledine look to have talent in abundance but neither looks as though he could replicate the impact of Godfrey and Morris. As others have said, the new manager needs to get the most from these two. It could be the key to rescuing our season. It's very crude, but I think it's insightful to look at their careers pre joining us on loan. Henderson - 9 games at Stockport in the national league, 7 games for grimsby in League 2. Godfrey - 12 games for York and a few for Norwich. Morris - loans to Oxford, York and Rotherham in the EFL, as well as a full season at Hamilton in the Scottish Prem. All of them had a solid base of senior men's football behind them. Even if not minutes on the pitch, they'd been training in first team environments. In contrast, Castledine has never played men's football before, O'Reillys experience amounts to a short loan to the Spanish third division. We're getting loanees right at the start of their career, whereas the earlier crop of loanees, they'd built up experience and were on their way up. I do think it makes a big difference. |
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Post by edgmond on Nov 11, 2024 13:55:48 GMT 1
In summer 2017 a certain Ben Godfrey was 19 and a certain Carlton Morris was 21, both signed on loan from a Premier League club. They went on to play virtually every game that season. They looked like men and held their own amongst older teammates. Has something changed with the fitness/stamina of younger players in the top flight? Both TOR and Castledine look to have talent in abundance but neither looks as though he could replicate the impact of Godfrey and Morris. As others have said, the new manager needs to get the most from these two. It could be the key to rescuing our season. It's very crude, but I think it's insightful to look at their careers pre joining us on loan. Henderson - 9 games at Stockport in the national league, 7 games for grimsby in League 2. Godfrey - 12 games for York and a few for Norwich. Morris - loans to Oxford, York and Rotherham in the EFL, as well as a full season at Hamilton in the Scottish Prem. All of them had a solid base of senior men's football behind them. Even if not minutes on the pitch, they'd been training in first team environments. In contrast, Castledine has never played men's football before, O'Reillys experience amounts to a short loan to the Spanish third division. We're getting loanees right at the start of their career, whereas the earlier crop of loanees, they'd built up experience and were on their way up. I do think it makes a big difference. Interesting comparisons and you may well have a point. However, their ages were almost identical to LC and TOR. My point was questioning whether Premier League clubs are now less inclined to expose young players to the physical side of football. There are other possibilities: perhaps the stronger, more ‘ready’ players are now beyond our reach. Maybe it’s something to do with the way Norwich operated in contrast to top teams like Arsenal, Chelsea and Villa. Either way, they need to be used consistently and step up personally or they will be no use in a relegation dogfight. |
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Nov 11, 2024 14:36:41 GMT 1
It's very crude, but I think it's insightful to look at their careers pre joining us on loan. Henderson - 9 games at Stockport in the national league, 7 games for grimsby in League 2. Godfrey - 12 games for York and a few for Norwich. Morris - loans to Oxford, York and Rotherham in the EFL, as well as a full season at Hamilton in the Scottish Prem. All of them had a solid base of senior men's football behind them. Even if not minutes on the pitch, they'd been training in first team environments. In contrast, Castledine has never played men's football before, O'Reillys experience amounts to a short loan to the Spanish third division. We're getting loanees right at the start of their career, whereas the earlier crop of loanees, they'd built up experience and were on their way up. I do think it makes a big difference. Interesting comparisons and you may well have a point. However, their ages were almost identical to LC and TOR. My point was questioning whether Premier League clubs are now less inclined to expose young players to the physical side of football. There are other possibilities: perhaps the stronger, more ‘ready’ players are now beyond our reach. Maybe it’s something to do with the way Norwich operated in contrast to top teams like Arsenal, Chelsea and Villa. Either way, they need to be used consistently and step up personally or they will be no use in a relegation dogfight. That's a fair point too. Players do seem to be kept in the system more, with the rise of U23/Premier League B football. As well, with all the "pure profit" FFP rules, I think clubs are more likely to want to keep their academy players with potential (but not enough to break into the first team) untouched, to try and maximise their value. Rather than risk them going out on loan and that dropping, they want them to be unblemished and worth more as a result. |
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Post by hectord0g137 on Nov 11, 2024 17:47:48 GMT 1
Personally I rate Bloxham above them both. And yes I have seen them all play.
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