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Post by Pilch on Oct 31, 2024 13:24:58 GMT 1
What you did was Google an outdated story which is now fake news You know as much about politics as starmer does without his script writer Care to point out which bits are fake? If you can provide evidence that my post is inaccurate or false I would be more than happy to retract those points. I'd rather stay on topic and discuss labour since they took over You seem reluctant to do so , like the original poster spotted Youre like a Man U fan having to delve back to pre 2013 for stats when everyone else wants to talk about here and now |
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Post by servernaside on Oct 31, 2024 14:38:50 GMT 1
The black hole is coming up fast, courtesy of Two-tier Kier and Reichskanzler Reeves. Kill incentive, kill hard work, kill investment, reward sloth and idleness, squander millions on vanity projects. It is traditional socialist tax and spend and always results in low growth, higher unemployment and consequently lower tax revenues. Any notion that the increased tax take will some be used to fund ‘investment’ is pure nonsense. It will merely fund increased spending…throwing good money after bad on an unreformed NHS etc. etc. etc. Anything is better than that.
Since 1946 Labour governments have borrowed less and repaid more of the national debt than the Tories.
The Global Financial Crash (which contrary to the belief of some on here was not caused by Gordon Brown) made a mess of economies across the world and the ideological austerity forced on the country killed real growth in the economy for most of the last 14 years. During the last Labour government UK growth in GDP averaged around 2.2% even taking into account the crash. The Tories delivered around 1.65% including the Covid crash and recovery which mostly evened the average out.
UK tax revenues over the last 14 years have risen from around 33% of the national income to 37%, much of which has been targeted at lower earners, pensioners and those least able to pay, while corporations, billionaires, bankers and generally anyone in the top 10% have had a much easier time of things.
In the November of 1979 unemployment was around 5.4%, 12 months later it had risen to 7.7%, 2 years later it was up to 11% before peaking in June 1984 at 11.9%. The rate dropped slowly until June 1990 and bottomed out at 6.9%, before rising again to 10.7% in early 1993. It then began another slow contraction and it was at 7.2% when Blair entered Downing Street. Most of the time that Labour were in power the rate was hovering at around 5% until the Crash when it rose to around 8%. 5 years later it was still at around that level. So to try and call out Labour for high unemployment is beyond ridiculous when for the last 50 years the Tories have a much worse record.
The Tories have just had 14 years in which to reform the NHS, but instead have criminally underfunded it instead (in real terms). They have also alienated most of the staff, from consultants to nurses to HCAs to paramedics to GPs, in fact every single level of staff. To expect Labour to reform the NHS in a few months is again ridiculous, but then I think you already know that.
If you want vanity projects look no further than HS2 or the Brexit plane among others, not to mention the new yacht we bought for Michele Mone or the billions handed over to Dido Harding.
Finally to compare Reeves to Hitler is beneath you. There are some I would expect that from, but I had hoped that you were better than that
Discredited, out-of-date and incorrect b/s. Just like the fantasy economics unveiled by Reichskanzler Reeves yesterday. Zero incentive for business to take on employees, zero incentive for people to work hard and maybe be able to give something to their children, zero incentive for parents to try and give their children a better start in life than they had. You and your fellow socialist ideologues should be well pleased. The politics of envy revealed in all its naked glory. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2024 15:18:30 GMT 1
Since 1946 Labour governments have borrowed less and repaid more of the national debt than the Tories.
The Global Financial Crash (which contrary to the belief of some on here was not caused by Gordon Brown) made a mess of economies across the world and the ideological austerity forced on the country killed real growth in the economy for most of the last 14 years. During the last Labour government UK growth in GDP averaged around 2.2% even taking into account the crash. The Tories delivered around 1.65% including the Covid crash and recovery which mostly evened the average out.
UK tax revenues over the last 14 years have risen from around 33% of the national income to 37%, much of which has been targeted at lower earners, pensioners and those least able to pay, while corporations, billionaires, bankers and generally anyone in the top 10% have had a much easier time of things.
In the November of 1979 unemployment was around 5.4%, 12 months later it had risen to 7.7%, 2 years later it was up to 11% before peaking in June 1984 at 11.9%. The rate dropped slowly until June 1990 and bottomed out at 6.9%, before rising again to 10.7% in early 1993. It then began another slow contraction and it was at 7.2% when Blair entered Downing Street. Most of the time that Labour were in power the rate was hovering at around 5% until the Crash when it rose to around 8%. 5 years later it was still at around that level. So to try and call out Labour for high unemployment is beyond ridiculous when for the last 50 years the Tories have a much worse record.
The Tories have just had 14 years in which to reform the NHS, but instead have criminally underfunded it instead (in real terms). They have also alienated most of the staff, from consultants to nurses to HCAs to paramedics to GPs, in fact every single level of staff. To expect Labour to reform the NHS in a few months is again ridiculous, but then I think you already know that.
If you want vanity projects look no further than HS2 or the Brexit plane among others, not to mention the new yacht we bought for Michele Mone or the billions handed over to Dido Harding.
Finally to compare Reeves to Hitler is beneath you. There are some I would expect that from, but I had hoped that you were better than that
Discredited, out-of-date and incorrect b/s. Just like the fantasy economics unveiled by Reichskanzler Reeves yesterday. Zero incentive for business to take on employees, zero incentive for people to work hard and maybe be able to give something to their children, zero incentive for parents to try and give their children a better start in life than they had. You and your fellow socialist ideologues should be well pleased. The politics of envy revealed in all its naked glory. Instead of trying to claim that the facts I posted are incorrect why don't you try to post some facts of your own. Facts mind, not opinions or GB News talking points. I was obviously wrong about you when I thought you were above comparing Reeves to Hitler. You're obviously a lot more bitter and twisted than I thought. I'll wait for you to post a few facts, but I won't hold my breath. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2024 15:23:02 GMT 1
Care to point out which bits are fake? If you can provide evidence that my post is inaccurate or false I would be more than happy to retract those points. I'd rather stay on topic and discuss labour since they took over You seem reluctant to do so , like the original poster spotted Youre like a Man U fan having to delve back to pre 2013 for stats when everyone else wants to talk about here and now Didn't half this bloody board blame Brown for the state of the country's finances for at least ten years after the Tories got in? Bit bloody rich owd lad. |
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Post by servernaside on Nov 1, 2024 17:33:01 GMT 1
What you did was Google an outdated story which is now fake news You know as much about politics as starmer does without his script writer Care to point out which bits are fake? If you can provide evidence that my post is inaccurate or false I would be more than happy to retract those points. Your grasp of economics is just marginally worse than that of Reichskanzler Reeves. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 1, 2024 17:40:52 GMT 1
I'd rather stay on topic and discuss labour since they took over You seem reluctant to do so , like the original poster spotted Youre like a Man U fan having to delve back to pre 2013 for stats when everyone else wants to talk about here and now Didn't half this bloody board blame Brown for the state of the country's finances for at least ten years after the Tories got in? Bit bloody rich owd lad. prove it post some facts, Facts mind, not opinions I usually post my claims with facts |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 7:52:28 GMT 1
Care to point out which bits are fake? If you can provide evidence that my post is inaccurate or false I would be more than happy to retract those points. Your grasp of economics is just marginally worse than that of Reichskanzler Reeves. So you don't have any evidence to counter the points in my post then. It would be helpful if you would just admit that you get all your opinions spoon fed to you by GBBeebies or the Daily Heil/Excess and then I can save myself the bother of even trying to engage you in sensible and reasoned discussion.
I will admit that my grasp of economics would be massively inadequate in a conversation with an actual economist, but seeing as I am on a football message board and I'm trying to get you to argue the points that I have made and you don't seem capable of anything other than insults I'll guess that I have a better grasp than you do. Prove me wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 7:55:15 GMT 1
Didn't half this bloody board blame Brown for the state of the country's finances for at least ten years after the Tories got in? Bit bloody rich owd lad. prove it post some facts, Facts mind, not opinions I usually post my claims with facts I don't understand what you want me to prove. I asked a question, the '?' at the end is a clue. I really don't get what point you're trying to make with this point.
Nothing new there then.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 2, 2024 8:49:01 GMT 1
prove it post some facts, Facts mind, not opinions I usually post my claims with facts I don't understand what you want me to prove. I asked a question, the '?' at the end is a clue. I really don't get what point you're trying to make with this point.
Nothing new there then.
you claimed half the people off this board blamed Brown I mean it sounds great, fits perfectly with your narrative, but something you've just made up on the spot |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 12:30:35 GMT 1
I don't understand what you want me to prove. I asked a question, the '?' at the end is a clue. I really don't get what point you're trying to make with this point.
Nothing new there then.
you claimed half the people off this board blamed Brown I mean it sounds great, fits perfectly with your narrative, but something you've just made up on the spot No. I asked the question " didn't half this board blame Brown?". There was no claim of that being a fact. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 2, 2024 14:26:11 GMT 1
prove it post some facts, Facts mind, not opinions I usually post my claims with facts I don't understand what you want me to prove. I asked a question, the '?' at the end is a clue. I really don't get what point you're trying to make with this point.
Nothing new there then.
I read it for what it actually was A statement |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 23:56:01 GMT 1
has anyone got a paper bag ? I need a stronger challenge ;-)
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Post by Pilch on Nov 5, 2024 13:31:06 GMT 1
Interesting that this formerly 'left-wing echo chamber ' has gone strangely silent since the election of the Labour government. I guess it just goes to show that the far-left are only happy when whining and moaning about the Tories, but go strangely silent when they discover that the shortcomings of Labour are worse......much, much worse. Seems he chose to fall in his sword rather than have to discuss labour , ultra weak for a sitting labour councillor www.oakengates-tc.gov.uk/administration/ |
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