Hurst out

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Oct 27, 2024 11:19:30 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Oct 27, 2024 10:47:17 GMT 1 thesensationaljt said:

Look at Hurst's record after he left us. It makes grim reading.

117 EFL games

115 EFL points ,   = 0.98 per game

Ipswich 15 games   0.66 points per game
Sunny 30 games 1.1 points per game
Grimsby 40 efl games , 1.15 points per game
Town 32 games 0.81 points per game



that awful Matty Taylor only managed 1.07 points per game with us in 28 league games


Hurst still no chants have been aimed at him
in fact everyone else but him

4 managers in 4 years? Maybe it's not the managers at fault.

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 11:52:09 GMT 1 @welshpoolshrews said:

Oct 27, 2024 11:19:30 GMT 1 Pilch said:

117 EFL games

115 EFL points ,   = 0.98 per game

Ipswich 15 games   0.66 points per game
Sunny 30 games 1.1 points per game
Grimsby 40 efl games , 1.15 points per game
Town 32 games 0.81 points per game



that awful Matty Taylor only managed 1.07 points per game with us in 28 league games


Hurst still no chants have been aimed at him
in fact everyone else but him

4 managers in 4 years? Maybe it's not the managers at fault.

I see what you did there,  technically correct,   but so is the same 4 managers since dec 2018



lets see how that compares to the rest of league 1, since dec 18

Birmingham 11
Wycombe 2
Wrexham 5
Mansfield 6
Huddersfield 15
Reading 8
Barnsley 12
Lincoln 5
Bolton 4
Exeter 2
Charlton 8
Stockport 3
Peterborough 5
Rotherham 4
Stevenage 8
Bristol R 8
Northampton 4
Blackpool 9
Wigan 6
Leyton Orient 8
Cambridge U 5
Crawley 7
Shrewsbury 4
Burton 7  ( soon to be 8 )


so anyway,   what was the point your were trying to make ?

[Deleted]

Our managerial appointments since Hurst the first time have hardly been well researched or well recruited:

Hurst 1 - Wycherley went straight for him because he thought Grimsby gave us a good battle in the FA Cup

Askey - An ill-researched attempt to recreate Hurst plucked straight from the non-league

Ricketts - Another attempt to recreate Hurst straight from the non-league, had only managed about 30 games

Cotterill - Wycherley’s mate

Taylor - Moore’s mate, a poor track record at lower levels

Hurst 2 - Wycherley’s mate.

If we fail at doing proper recruitment, then the buck stops with the chairman, although we now also have a DoF to also apportion blame to. If Hurst gets sacked I wonder which mate they’ll go for next.

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 12:31:51 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

Our managerial appointments since Hurst the first time have hardly been well researched or well recruited:

Hurst 1 - Wycherley went straight for him because he thought Grimsby gave us a good battle in the FA Cup

Askey - An ill-researched attempt to recreate Hurst plucked straight from the non-league

Ricketts - Another attempt to recreate Hurst straight from the non-league, had only managed about 30 games

Cotterill - Wycherley’s mate

Taylor - Moore’s mate, a poor track record at lower levels

Hurst 2 - Wycherley’s mate.

If we fail at doing proper recruitment, then the buck stops with the chairman, although we now also have a DoF to also apportion blame to. If Hurst gets sacked I wonder which mate they’ll go for next.

fans were crying out for ricketts to be sacked

cotterill rang our chairman and offered to become our next manager

I'll check back in a sec and see how many complained about him only getting the job for being friends with our chairman 

[Deleted]

Oct 27, 2024 12:37:23 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Oct 27, 2024 12:31:51 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

Our managerial appointments since Hurst the first time have hardly been well researched or well recruited:

Hurst 1 - Wycherley went straight for him because he thought Grimsby gave us a good battle in the FA Cup

Askey - An ill-researched attempt to recreate Hurst plucked straight from the non-league

Ricketts - Another attempt to recreate Hurst straight from the non-league, had only managed about 30 games

Cotterill - Wycherley’s mate

Taylor - Moore’s mate, a poor track record at lower levels

Hurst 2 - Wycherley’s mate.

If we fail at doing proper recruitment, then the buck stops with the chairman, although we now also have a DoF to also apportion blame to. If Hurst gets sacked I wonder which mate they’ll go for next.

fans were crying out for ricketts to be sacked

cotterill rang our chairman and offered to become our next manager

I'll check back in a sec and see how many complained about him only getting the job for being friends with our chairman 

That’s even worse! He picked up the phone and decided ‘to hell with proper recruitment, you’ve asked so yes the job’s yours’.

At least he was good at his job mind.

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 12:42:37 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

Oct 27, 2024 12:37:23 GMT 1 Pilch said:

fans were crying out for ricketts to be sacked

cotterill rang our chairman and offered to become our next manager

I'll check back in a sec and see how many complained about him only getting the job for being friends with our chairman 

That’s even worse! He picked up the phone and decided ‘to hell with proper recruitment, you’ve asked so yes the job’s yours’.

At least he was good at his job mind.

stop being childish,    there would have been hell to play had you later found out Roland had turned down his offer

maybe you could define proper recruitment ?


dear me pathetic

[Deleted]

Oct 27, 2024 12:15:34 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Oct 27, 2024 11:52:09 GMT 1 @welshpoolshrews said:

4 managers in 4 years? Maybe it's not the managers at fault.

I see what you did there,  technically correct,   but so is the same 4 managers since dec 2018



lets see how that compares to the rest of league 1, since dec 18

Birmingham 11
Wycombe 2
Wrexham 5
Mansfield 6
Huddersfield 15
Reading 8
Barnsley 12
Lincoln 5
Bolton 4
Exeter 2
Charlton 8
Stockport 3
Peterborough 5
Rotherham 4
Stevenage 8
Bristol R 8
Northampton 4
Blackpool 9
Wigan 6
Leyton Orient 8
Cambridge U 5
Crawley 7
Shrewsbury 4
Burton 7  ( soon to be 8 )


so anyway,   what was the point your were trying to make ?

Well your point is 6 years!

That being said mind.... Huddersfield! That's an insane list.

[llanymynechshrew]

If my calculations are correct Paul Hurst has managed 175 league games since leaving us.

Ipswich 15
Sc***horpe 38
Grimsby 87
Town 35

Win rate is grimm

Ipswich 1
Sc***horpe 12
Grimsby 24
Town 6

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 13:38:03 GMT 1 llanymynechshrew said:

If my calculations are correct Paul Hurst has managed 175 league games since leaving us.

Ipswich 15
Sc***horpe 38
Grimsby 87
Town 35

Win rate is grimm

Ipswich 1
Sc***horpe 12
Grimsby 24
Town 6

I just did just his football league record since leaving us

117 games 24 wins

Ipswich 1
Scunny 8
Grimsby 11
Town 4

[staffordshrew]

Oct 27, 2024 12:31:51 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

Our managerial appointments since Hurst the first time have hardly been well researched or well recruited:

Hurst 1 - Wycherley went straight for him because he thought Grimsby gave us a good battle in the FA Cup

Askey - An ill-researched attempt to recreate Hurst plucked straight from the non-league

Ricketts - Another attempt to recreate Hurst straight from the non-league, had only managed about 30 games

Cotterill - Wycherley’s mate

Taylor - Moore’s mate, a poor track record at lower levels

Hurst 2 - Wycherley’s mate.

If we fail at doing proper recruitment, then the buck stops with the chairman, although we now also have a DoF to also apportion blame to. If Hurst gets sacked I wonder which mate they’ll go for next.

I wonder how that would stack up against the other clubs who have had even more managers?  Let's face it, none of these Chairmen appoint well - Dale Vince thought it a good idea to appoint SC even after our experience.

[Bordershrew]

I’ll have to agree with Pilch on this, PH does seem to be getting a free ride with a far worse record than Askey, Ricketts and Taylor.

A LOT of fans were clamouring for “the Messiah’s return” and I’m guessing because it was a large proportion they don’t want to admit it’s been a huge mistake.

FWIW I don’t really see any point in sacking him, we can’t afford it, just let the new owners make the decision if/when that happens, may as well let it play out.

[staffordshrew]

Oct 27, 2024 14:22:34 GMT 1 Bordershrew said:

I’ll have to agree with Pilch on this, PH does seem to be getting a free ride with a far worse record than Askey, Ricketts and Taylor.

A LOT of fans were clamouring for “the Messiah’s return” and I’m guessing because it was a large proportion they don’t want to admit it’s been a huge mistake.

FWIW I don’t really see any point in sacking him, we can’t afford it, just let the new owners make the decision if/when that happens, may as well let it play out.

Maybe with the proviso that, with relative job security, he changes his approach.  Those loans really ought to be able to provide some exciting skills, those substitutions really should be made earlier.  A new Plan A and a Plan B.  Take some chances in what is currently looking like it will be his last chance as a league manager.

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Oct 27, 2024 13:59:06 GMT 1 staffordshrew said:

Oct 27, 2024 12:31:51 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

Our managerial appointments since Hurst the first time have hardly been well researched or well recruited:

Hurst 1 - Wycherley went straight for him because he thought Grimsby gave us a good battle in the FA Cup

Askey - An ill-researched attempt to recreate Hurst plucked straight from the non-league

Ricketts - Another attempt to recreate Hurst straight from the non-league, had only managed about 30 games

Cotterill - Wycherley’s mate

Taylor - Moore’s mate, a poor track record at lower levels

Hurst 2 - Wycherley’s mate.

If we fail at doing proper recruitment, then the buck stops with the chairman, although we now also have a DoF to also apportion blame to. If Hurst gets sacked I wonder which mate they’ll go for next.

I wonder how that would stack up against the other clubs who have had even more managers?  Let's face it, none of these Chairmen appoint well - Dale Vince thought it a good idea to appoint SC even after our experience.

And isn’t he doing well with them this season - top of the National League, we’ll be seeing him next year.

I suppose the difference is that Mr Vince has the resource to back his manager’s ambition.

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 14:57:01 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

Oct 27, 2024 13:59:06 GMT 1 staffordshrew said:

I wonder how that would stack up against the other clubs who have had even more managers?  Let's face it, none of these Chairmen appoint well - Dale Vince thought it a good idea to appoint SC even after our experience.

And isn’t he doing well with them this season - top of the National League, we’ll be seeing him next year.

I suppose the difference is that Mr Vince has the resource to back his manager’s ambition.

we got there in the end,   you just wanted to big up old Stevie baby

any mug could take a side with a double relegation and biggest budget in the league back up one division

its the equivalent of Man City in league one 

[staffordshrew]

Oct 27, 2024 14:57:01 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

Oct 27, 2024 13:59:06 GMT 1 staffordshrew said:

I wonder how that would stack up against the other clubs who have had even more managers?  Let's face it, none of these Chairmen appoint well - Dale Vince thought it a good idea to appoint SC even after our experience.

And isn’t he doing well with them this season - top of the National League, we’ll be seeing him next year.

I suppose the difference is that Mr Vince has the resource to back his manager’s ambition.

My point was that he can't just be dismissed as 'Wycherley's mate'.  He sold RW a dream, maybe an attainable dream, but didn't tell him how much it would cost.  RW was probably desperate to achieve pushing for the Championship, a long held goal, and bought into it.

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 15:07:39 GMT 1 staffordshrew said:

Oct 27, 2024 14:57:01 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

And isn’t he doing well with them this season - top of the National League, we’ll be seeing him next year.

I suppose the difference is that Mr Vince has the resource to back his manager’s ambition.

My point was that he can't just be dismissed as 'Wycherley's mate'.  He sold RW a dream, maybe an attainable dream, but didn't tell him how much it would cost.  RW was probably desperate to achieve pushing for the Championship, a long held goal, and bought into it.

I wouldn't bother debating it

I think we need a new rule on here,   bringing the debate into disrepute 

[staffordshrew]

Other posters may have agreed about some of the appointments, but many other clubs have a string of poor appointments, it's not uncommon.

But, specifically, Hurst 1 was an inspired appointment who very nearly got us to the Championship and, at the time, went on to much higher things. Cotterill could have got us to the Championship too, by bluster, bullying and bankruptcy, but as a managerial candidate on appointment he ticked the right boxes.

[markglasgow]

I'm a broken record. Bringing him back was a slap in the face. Allowing him to start the season when it was clear he couldn't improve upon what Taylor gave us was criminal. Allowing him to stay this long into a complete s**t show of season is suicidal.

It's not PH's fault he's here but the idea he was given a second chance to royally shaft us is unforgivable.

So sad that RW goes out like this, but clearly the stars didn't align this time around.

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 16:00:47 GMT 1 markglasgow said:

I'm a broken record. Bringing him back was a slap in the face. Allowing him to start the season when it was clear he couldn't improve upon what Taylor gave us was criminal. Allowing him to stay this long into a complete s**t show of season is suicidal.

It's not PH's fault he's here but the idea he was given a second chance to royally shaft us is unforgivable.

So sad that RW goes out like this, but clearly the stars didn't align this time around.

why is it not hursts fault hes here ?,   he came looking to see if he could have his job back

[hectord0g137]

I reckon ETH will be available on Monday

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 17:07:16 GMT 1 hectord0g137 said:

I reckon ETH will be available on Monday

what again

[mattmw]

Think the thing with the second appointment of Hurst that confused me and rang alarm bells with me was the sudden change in direction from the director of football/coach set up to going back to what appears to be a straight manager role

Whilst it’s perfectly valid to question Moores credentials as a Director of Football and Taylor’s as coach the move to that set up post Cotterill - which was much heralded - at least had a logic behind it, of producing more home grown players and searching out younger players being released from Premier and Championship sides, through a set-up and tactics similar throughout the club hierarchy of teams

However when the Taylor experiment came to a abrupt end and Hurst came back, this seemed to completely undermine the director of football role, and making Moore say that his extensive search had led him to decide Hurst was the best option was just silly.

Hursts signings, tactics and lack of hardly any reference to Moores role is reasonable proof he’s pretty much acting as manager with little recourse to Moore adds to the disjointed set up, as did the signings of ex Hurst players, all of whom don’t fit the director of football criteria he set out 18 months ago

I’m left thinking had Hurst been available after Cotterill left, the whole director of football role would never have occurred in the first place.

The way the club has switched from one style of operation to another in react years really points to a panicked approach and no real understanding of what our core structure and business plan will be, which on top of the limited budgets we have seems to have led to the inevitable decline we’re now seeing

[Deleted]

Oct 27, 2024 17:35:26 GMT 1 mattmw said:

Think the thing with the second appointment of Hurst that confused me and rang alarm bells with me was the sudden change in direction from the director of football/coach set up to going back to what appears to be a straight manager role

Whilst it’s perfectly valid to question Moores credentials as a Director of Football and Taylor’s as coach the move to that set up post Cotterill - which was much heralded - at least had a logic behind it, of producing more home grown players and searching out younger players being released from Premier and Championship sides, through a set-up and tactics similar throughout the club hierarchy of teams

However when the Taylor experiment came to a abrupt end and Hurst came back, this seemed to completely undermine the director of football role, and making Moore say that his extensive search had led him to decide Hurst was the best option was just silly.

Hursts signings, tactics and lack of hardly any reference to Moores role is reasonable proof he’s pretty much acting as manager with little recourse to Moore adds to the disjointed set up, as did the signings of ex Hurst players, all of whom don’t fit the director of football criteria he set out 18 months ago

I’m left thinking had Hurst been available after Cotterill left, the whole director of football role would never have occurred in the first place.

The way the club has switched from one style of operation to another in react years really points to a panicked approach and no real understanding of what our core structure and business plan will be, which on top of the limited budgets we have seems to have led to the inevitable decline we’re now seeing

The irony being that Hurst’s appointment and the sort of signings he was clearly the main instigator for (all his old boys Nsiala, Ojo, Gillead etc) are the biggest argument for having a director of football!

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 17:51:31 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

Oct 27, 2024 17:35:26 GMT 1 mattmw said:

Think the thing with the second appointment of Hurst that confused me and rang alarm bells with me was the sudden change in direction from the director of football/coach set up to going back to what appears to be a straight manager role

Whilst it’s perfectly valid to question Moores credentials as a Director of Football and Taylor’s as coach the move to that set up post Cotterill - which was much heralded - at least had a logic behind it, of producing more home grown players and searching out younger players being released from Premier and Championship sides, through a set-up and tactics similar throughout the club hierarchy of teams

However when the Taylor experiment came to a abrupt end and Hurst came back, this seemed to completely undermine the director of football role, and making Moore say that his extensive search had led him to decide Hurst was the best option was just silly.

Hursts signings, tactics and lack of hardly any reference to Moores role is reasonable proof he’s pretty much acting as manager with little recourse to Moore adds to the disjointed set up, as did the signings of ex Hurst players, all of whom don’t fit the director of football criteria he set out 18 months ago

I’m left thinking had Hurst been available after Cotterill left, the whole director of football role would never have occurred in the first place.

The way the club has switched from one style of operation to another in react years really points to a panicked approach and no real understanding of what our core structure and business plan will be, which on top of the limited budgets we have seems to have led to the inevitable decline we’re now seeing

The irony being that Hurst’s appointment and the sort of signings he was clearly the main instigator for (all his old boys Nsiala, Ojo, Gillead etc) are the biggest argument for having a director of football!

what point are you making ?

do you think Micky Moore has effected PH in any way shape of form ?

[DiglisShrew]

Oct 27, 2024 18:00:17 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Oct 27, 2024 17:51:31 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

The irony being that Hurst’s appointment and the sort of signings he was clearly the main instigator for (all his old boys Nsiala, Ojo, Gillead etc) are the biggest argument for having a director of football!

what point are you making ?

do you think Micky Moore has effected PH in any way shape of form ?

Not sure who but someone’s telling porkies or changing their story somewhere 🤔
Didn’t someone say Roland had enquired about Hurst while still at Grimsby ? 🤔
Or did someone say Roland had always wanted Hurst back but was persuaded not to by the former CEO at the time ? 🤔
Or did Thr DOF after extensive research decide Hurst was the best suited appointment to replace Taylor ? 🤔
Or did Hurst ring the Chairman begging for the job ?? 🤔

They can’t all be true or can they ?? 🙄🤔

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 18:31:31 GMT 1 DiglisShrew said:

Oct 27, 2024 18:00:17 GMT 1 Pilch said:

what point are you making ?

do you think Micky Moore has effected PH in any way shape of form ?

Not sure who but someone’s telling porkies or changing their story somewhere 🤔
Didn’t someone say Roland had enquired about Hurst while still at Grimsby ? 🤔
Or did someone say Roland had always wanted Hurst back but was persuaded not to by the former CEO at the time ? 🤔
Or did Thr DOF after extensive research decide Hurst was the best suited appointment to replace Taylor ? 🤔
Or did Hurst ring the Chairman begging for the job ?? 🤔

They can’t all be true or can they ?? 🙄🤔

To begin with who said what and when ?

most of what you have just said sounds like porkies to me as first I've heard of a few

[Deleted]

Oct 27, 2024 18:00:17 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Oct 27, 2024 17:51:31 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

The irony being that Hurst’s appointment and the sort of signings he was clearly the main instigator for (all his old boys Nsiala, Ojo, Gillead etc) are the biggest argument for having a director of football!

what point are you making ?

do you think Micky Moore has effected PH in any way shape of form ?

Matt suggesting that since Hurst’s return we’ve almost gone back to the old fashioned manager approach (and I don’t disagree).

My point that some of Hurst’s signings make the argument why a DoF is important in modern football, as he’s just bought in his past-it old favourites. I think Moore’s slunk into the background somewhat and let Hurst do things his way.

[DiglisShrew]

Oct 27, 2024 18:33:58 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Oct 27, 2024 18:31:31 GMT 1 DiglisShrew said:

Not sure who but someone’s telling porkies or changing their story somewhere 🤔
Didn’t someone say Roland had enquired about Hurst while still at Grimsby ? 🤔
Or did someone say Roland had always wanted Hurst back but was persuaded not to by the former CEO at the time ? 🤔
Or did Thr DOF after extensive research decide Hurst was the best suited appointment to replace Taylor ? 🤔
Or did Hurst ring the Chairman begging for the job ?? 🤔

They can’t all be true or can they ?? 🙄🤔

To begin with who said what and when ?

most of what you have just said sounds like porkies to me as first I've heard of a few

I’m sure you’ll find the answers quicker than me 🤔😂

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 18:39:40 GMT 1 DiglisShrew said:

Oct 27, 2024 18:33:58 GMT 1 Pilch said:

To begin with who said what and when ?

most of what you have just said sounds like porkies to me as first I've heard of a few

I’m sure you’ll find the answers quicker than me 🤔😂

im sure I would if they actually existed

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 18:34:51 GMT 1 @feedoknasher said:

Oct 27, 2024 18:00:17 GMT 1 Pilch said:

what point are you making ?

do you think Micky Moore has effected PH in any way shape of form ?

Matt suggesting that since Hurst’s return we’ve almost gone back to the old fashioned manager approach (and I don’t disagree).

My point that some of Hurst’s signings make the argument why a DoF is important in modern football, as he’s just bought in his past-it old favourites. I think Moore’s slunk into the background somewhat and let Hurst do things his way.

 like I did last night on one of the other club bashing threads,   took some time but I found it

Oct 26, 2024 21:11:06 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Oct 26, 2024 19:51:50 GMT 1 lancsman said:

Do you know what. I’m so enthused as what Pilch things of this.

ok I'll take your bait


since 2018,  our chairman and the majority of our fans have wanted one thing, & hurst back

after cotterill stitched us up and left, our chairman did enquire about hurst but grimsby priced us out of any sort of negotiations leaving us with the best option of using a DOF
Micky Moore fit that bill and Matty Taylor was chosen as head coach
by xmas Hurst had been relieved of his duties and Taylor was being targeted by town fans,   calls for hurst to come back were still regular from fans
my guess is the chairman put the whole DOF on hold and gave hurst the full reigns,  of course this means Micky Moore is having an easy ride but hardly his doing, & and if hes under contract no point paying him off

at this moment in time I suspect the chairman has taken MM to one side and said you better get warmed up,  you may be coming on