Hurst out

[The Clash 1966]

Keep Hurst.

We'd have to pay a fortune to sack him and could we afford to get anyone better ?

Nope.

[mattmw]

Genuine question for everyone. If Hurst goes the obvious answer is that Moore takes over as stand in boss. Seems a ready made solution if/when Hurst goes that wouldn’t cost any money

The idea of Moore doesn’t fill me with great hope, but to be honest I’m fast thinking Hurst is stealing a living as manager here and needs moving on sharpish. At least with Moore taking charge there might be more consistency in team selection - I doubt very much his scouting network were responsible for Pierre, Toto and Gilliard joining us, and he might ditch them and give the more talented youngsters a run out instead

Can’t really see many other options, and for me shifting Hurst out before he causes more damage is a fractionally better option

[pughywasfree]

There is no logical reasoning to suggest that we would get anyone as good as Hurst. We would not be able to afford to pay another club for their manager which leaves those out of a job and they are out of a job for a reason. The ones out of a job that are better than Hurst would probably cost too much money. The most we could hope for is a new manager bounce and for it last long enough to give us hope.

I don't think we will see Hurst lose his job whilst RW is in charge (rightly so imo as it wont solve our problems).

We are s**t, s**t players, s**t manager and s**t mentality. We all went into this season hoping that we could defy the odds like we seemed to have done the past 10 years but now not only are the results s**t the performances are too.

I will never slag RW off, he has saved the club I love many times and is a legend but the sooner he is off enjoying his retirement the sooner we can start to recover because the club is spiralling at the moment.

[BlueAndAmber50]

Oct 26, 2024 19:15:39 GMT 1 The Clash 1966 said:

Keep Hurst.

We'd have to pay a fortune to sack him and could we afford to get anyone better ?

Nope.

I doubt we’d have to pay a fortune.

He was out of work and jumped a league - with our money issues I’m sure it’s a relatively low salary with large bonus based on safety.

We also wouldn’t have offered a lengthy contract due to our situation.

I do think he’s not the main issue as others have said, but if we want the best chance of survival a new manager with new ideas and hopefully the “bounce” to get us going is smart now.

We can’t “sack” Roland and we can’t just sell the club overnight - but we can sack Hurst instantly if staying up is our key motivation.

His lack of tactical awareness and ability to make changes is killing us.

Why is he playing Nsiala still? He’s miles off it & to play both him & Pierre 14 games into the season having seen what he has so far is madness.

After the pre season games can anyone believe that TOR has played about 15 mins in the last 5 games….

[BlueAndAmber50]

Oct 26, 2024 19:26:28 GMT 1 pughywasfree said:

There is no logical reasoning to suggest that we would get anyone as good as Hurst. We would not be able to afford to pay another club for their manager which leaves those out of a job and they are out of a job for a reason. The ones out of a job that are better than Hurst would probably cost too much money. The most we could hope for is a new manager bounce and for it last long enough to give us hope.

I don't think we will see Hurst lose his job whilst RW is in charge (rightly so imo as it wont solve our problems).

We are s**t, s**t players, s**t manager and s**t mentality. We all went into this season hoping that we could defy the odds like we seemed to have done the past 10 years but now not only are the results s**t the performances are too.

I will never slag RW off, he has saved the club I love many times and is a legend but the sooner he is off enjoying his retirement the sooner we can start to recover because the club is spiralling at the moment.

So basically , I won’t slag him off but the sooner he’s gone the better ?!

[llanymynechshrew]

Oct 26, 2024 17:59:37 GMT 1 @welshpoolshrews said:

Oct 26, 2024 17:50:31 GMT 1 Pilch said:

May I just point out the point the thread got hijacked and the topic turned into yet another ownership debate , just like every other thread 😳

Maybe that's because that is the root cause of the problem.

Hurst isn't the problem and it's obvious and clear to see.

Disagree, The chairman will by gone once the club is sold however long that takes. Moore doesn't seem to add any value to justify him being at the club. And although the finances are really restrictive, Paul Hurst is no innocent to the disaster unfolding before us. We do know for sure Hurst is directly responsible for bringing in Pierre, Nsiala and Gilliead, who are miles off the standard required. His track record since leaving the first time, and particularly since his return is abysmal. Not just with the low budget squad this time but also with last seasons squad too. The squad is not great, that's clear, but there is no way is getting the best out of it. I should point out, i was delighted to see Hurst return, but unfortunately it's been a disaster winning just 6 times from 35 games.

[pughywasfree]

Oct 26, 2024 19:30:18 GMT 1 BlueAndAmber50 said:

Oct 26, 2024 19:26:28 GMT 1 pughywasfree said:

There is no logical reasoning to suggest that we would get anyone as good as Hurst. We would not be able to afford to pay another club for their manager which leaves those out of a job and they are out of a job for a reason. The ones out of a job that are better than Hurst would probably cost too much money. The most we could hope for is a new manager bounce and for it last long enough to give us hope.

I don't think we will see Hurst lose his job whilst RW is in charge (rightly so imo as it wont solve our problems).

We are s**t, s**t players, s**t manager and s**t mentality. We all went into this season hoping that we could defy the odds like we seemed to have done the past 10 years but now not only are the results s**t the performances are too.

I will never slag RW off, he has saved the club I love many times and is a legend but the sooner he is off enjoying his retirement the sooner we can start to recover because the club is spiralling at the moment.

So basically , I won’t slag him off but the sooner he’s gone the better ?!

Yep, he is selling the club which has put us in a state of limbo. We wont be splashing the cash, nothing can really change in terms of personnel until the deal is done. I think he has done brilliantly leading us. Made a few mistakes but his sacking of managers have been at the right times for me, he has financially supported the club. He has made it clear his time is up so hopefully it will happen sooner rather than later. He is all I have ever known as Chairman and it will be very weird to not have a Salopian owning our club.

[pughywasfree]

Oct 26, 2024 19:59:43 GMT 1 llanymynechshrew said:

Oct 26, 2024 17:59:37 GMT 1 @welshpoolshrews said:

Maybe that's because that is the root cause of the problem.

Hurst isn't the problem and it's obvious and clear to see.

Disagree, The chairman will by gone once the club is sold however long that takes. Moore doesn't seem to add any value to justify him being at the club. And although the finances are really restrictive, Paul Hurst is no innocent to the disaster unfolding before us. We do know for sure Hurst is directly responsible for bringing in Pierre, Nsiala and Gilliead, who are miles off the standard required. His track record since leaving the first time, and particularly since his return is abysmal. Not just with the low budget squad this time but also with last seasons squad too. The squad is not great, that's clear, but there is no way is getting the best out of it. I should point out, i was delighted to see Hurst return, but unfortunately it's been a disaster winning just 6 times from 35 games.

The one blessing out of this situation is it will finally shut up the noisy minority who wanted the messiah to return every time we got rid of a manager. 

[DiglisShrew]

Oct 26, 2024 19:59:43 GMT 1 llanymynechshrew said:

Oct 26, 2024 17:59:37 GMT 1 @welshpoolshrews said:

Maybe that's because that is the root cause of the problem.

Hurst isn't the problem and it's obvious and clear to see.

Disagree, The chairman will by gone once the club is sold however long that takes. Moore doesn't seem to add any value to justify him being at the club. And although the finances are really restrictive, Paul Hurst is no innocent to the disaster unfolding before us. We do know for sure Hurst is directly responsible for bringing in Pierre, Nsiala and Gilliead, who are miles off the standard required. His track record since leaving the first time, and particularly since his return is abysmal. Not just with the low budget squad this time but also with last seasons squad too. The squad is not great, that's clear, but there is no way is getting the best out of it. I should point out, i was delighted to see Hurst return, but unfortunately it's been a disaster winning just 6 times from 35 games.

Yes I was pleased to see Hurst back at the Club but he finally lost me today - the most baffling selection I’ve seen since his arrival especially when we need to find a way to find a win. His post match interview accepts no responsibility for the defeat or hope for the future . As and when we can afford to do so he must be gone - or maybe we can’t afford to wait 🤔

[Bob Rickerton]

Oct 26, 2024 19:22:47 GMT 1 mattmw said:

Genuine question for everyone. If Hurst goes the obvious answer is that Moore takes over as stand in boss. Seems a ready made solution if/when Hurst goes that wouldn’t cost any money

The idea of Moore doesn’t fill me with great hope, but to be honest I’m fast thinking Hurst is stealing a living as manager here and needs moving on sharpish. At least with Moore taking charge there might be more consistency in team selection - I doubt very much his scouting network were responsible for Pierre, Toto and Gilliard joining us, and he might ditch them and give the more talented youngsters a run out instead

Can’t really see many other options, and for me shifting Hurst out before he causes more damage is a fractionally better option

I'm sympathetic with the fact our financial issues, position in the league and (supposedly) imminent takeover mean that we're not the most attractive job going, but I'm struggling with the opinion that with that in mind "we wont get any better than Hurst." Based on his performance so far this season, like you I'm not convinced that Moore would do any worse, and that's saying something. 

People keep talking about the financials as a reason not to do it, but even with that it's not quite so simple in my opinion. I can't imagine it would take a fortune relatively speaking to get rid of a manager on a rolling contract of sorts (do we even know how long he's contracted for?) who was out of work having been sacked from the league below. We also don't know what Roland is prepared to offer financially to try and sustain our L1 status with a change of manager. If he's not going to put anything in, then yes there'll be a shortage of options and it probably won't work. But if he's prepared to inject even a bit of money to get someone in, perhaps on a deal to the end of the season for an out of work manager or giving a good L2/Conference manager an audition at a higher level, who knows? 

[BlueAndAmber50]

Oct 26, 2024 20:04:06 GMT 1 DiglisShrew said:

Oct 26, 2024 19:59:43 GMT 1 llanymynechshrew said:

Disagree, The chairman will by gone once the club is sold however long that takes. Moore doesn't seem to add any value to justify him being at the club. And although the finances are really restrictive, Paul Hurst is no innocent to the disaster unfolding before us. We do know for sure Hurst is directly responsible for bringing in Pierre, Nsiala and Gilliead, who are miles off the standard required. His track record since leaving the first time, and particularly since his return is abysmal. Not just with the low budget squad this time but also with last seasons squad too. The squad is not great, that's clear, but there is no way is getting the best out of it. I should point out, i was delighted to see Hurst return, but unfortunately it's been a disaster winning just 6 times from 35 games.

Yes I was pleased to see Hurst back at the Club but he finally lost me today - the most baffling selection I’ve seen since his arrival especially when we need to find a way to find a win. His post match interview accepts no responsibility for the defeat or hope for the future . As and when we can afford to do so he must be gone - or maybe we can’t afford to wait 🤔

Completely agree - I now feel our only hope of survival is on sacking Hurst and hopefully get someone in who can get the young guns firing.

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Oct 26, 2024 20:03:21 GMT 1 pughywasfree said:

Oct 26, 2024 19:59:43 GMT 1 llanymynechshrew said:

Disagree, The chairman will by gone once the club is sold however long that takes. Moore doesn't seem to add any value to justify him being at the club. And although the finances are really restrictive, Paul Hurst is no innocent to the disaster unfolding before us. We do know for sure Hurst is directly responsible for bringing in Pierre, Nsiala and Gilliead, who are miles off the standard required. His track record since leaving the first time, and particularly since his return is abysmal. Not just with the low budget squad this time but also with last seasons squad too. The squad is not great, that's clear, but there is no way is getting the best out of it. I should point out, i was delighted to see Hurst return, but unfortunately it's been a disaster winning just 6 times from 35 games.

The one blessing out of this situation is it will finally shut up the noisy minority who wanted the messiah to return every time we got rid of a manager. 

I made this very point back when he was rumoured to be returning, an interesting thread to look back on - blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/106785/hurst-feel

Although ultimately we know it was Roland who wanted him back and brought him back.

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Oct 26, 2024 19:59:43 GMT 1 llanymynechshrew said:

Oct 26, 2024 17:59:37 GMT 1 @welshpoolshrews said:

Maybe that's because that is the root cause of the problem.

Hurst isn't the problem and it's obvious and clear to see.

Disagree, The chairman will by gone once the club is sold however long that takes.

And that's the problem. We will be in league two at the earliest and then on the route to worse.

I don't believe the chairman will have gone before he's done even more damage. He should have sold last summer to the Delves. Since then it's all on him.

[harboroughshrew]

I was not in favour of Hurst returning as that situation rarely works out (with the very honourable exception at League 2 level of our great GT) but have always tried to back the manager, whoever he is. Yes, Hurst has been hampered by the low budget and a DOF who is to recruitment what Liz Truss is to economic management but he has himself brought in some really poor players like Nsiala, Gilliead and Ojo who would not get into many League 2 teams. Hurst's team selection today looked like it had been done on the back of a fag packet and, even more worryingly, the players (with the exception of Lloyd and Bloxham who at least put in a shift with zero help from their midfield) look bewildered, lacking in confidence and in some cases not even bothered. I do not expect to see Barcelona in blue and amber but I do expect to see players organised, putting maximum effort in and playing with passion for the shirt. We saw none of that today and the buck largely rests with the manager who clearly does not know what his best team is or even what formation he wants them to play in. Two home league wins since his return (against teams who were both bottom of the table at the time) says it all - Hurst is clearly a busted flush and was only hired as a human shield for the chairman.

[mullersalopian]

Got extremely lucky with the loans in his first stint

Not playing costaldine and orieli says he presses auto select on the formation
Sagoe may aswell go stay in london

[JohnG]

From his post match interview, it sounds like some of our young loanees are not impressing in training! Reading between the lines, and with current game time, that would suggest O'Reilly & Sagoe Jr.

[staffordshrew]

Hurst brought in some of his own favourites. Hurst isn't playing some of those recruited by MM. Hurst has to take responsibility, I hope he can turn things around but it's beginning to look like he can't.

[tractorshrew]

If Hurst wants to remain as manager and win some games then his starting line up today was baffling. In our last home game Josh Feeney and Castledine had great games and yet they started on the bench today? Nurse in for Benning?. Perry and Rossiter looked totally out of their depth today and as a result we had no attacking midfield. Time’s up Hurst

[staffordshrew]

Oct 26, 2024 20:34:12 GMT 1 tractorshrew said:

If Hurst wants to remain as manager and win some games then his starting line up today was baffling. In our last home game Josh Feeney and Castledine had great games and yet they started on the bench today? Nurse in for Benning?. Perry and Rossiter looked totally out of their depth today and as a result we had no attacking midfield. Time’s up Hurst

Until you wrote 'times up', I was with you.  He might be able to turn it around even now, but he's got to modify the team selection and tactics.  Then there's the loanees, ' not impressing in training'  Maybe teenagers get bored quickly?  Maybe thrust them into 1st team action and they'll excell?  At the moment, when every match is rinse and repeat, what has he got to lose?

[vladimir]

Really struggling with his team selections, his refusal to make changes and his general manner seems one of defeat.

A few months ago hurst had the club fighting for every point. Now we show up and expect to be pumped. He can't seem to gee them up and there no leaders out there.

God I miss Chey and Udz.

I'm not in the Hurst out camp yet but if we get a humiliation next Saturday I can't see how it can continue.

[dannylad01]

Generally I'm one of the last to join the "manager out" camp, but I'm not far away on this one. Wasn't convinced on Hurst coming back in the first place. Remove the name "Hurst" and his record alone since leaving us in 2018 wouldn't have had anyone pleased at the appointment.

What I thought would go in his favour was I thought he would make us a fitter team and add some organisation. Neither of which appears to have materialised this season.

I get that there has to be a level of respect behind the scenes and shouldnt buckle to player power, but we're not in a position to leave arguably our best or most creative players on the bench when we're desperate for points and lacking any other options.

[Pilch]

Oct 26, 2024 20:19:58 GMT 1 JohnG said:

From his post match interview, it sounds like some of our young loanees are not impressing in training! Reading between the lines, and with current game time, that would suggest O'Reilly & Sagoe Jr.

just like cotterill our current manager simply cannot afford to be falling out with anyone in the squad,   he signed them,   and he might need to tread on eggshells to stop them crying
this isn't Alex Ferguson in his prime who could freeze a player out and just go sign another
this is stfc who have a small budget and cant replace anyone mid season

[chirkshrew]

If Hurst goes...get Parrish in,won't cost anything,put his own ideas in,and can't do any worse,and he'll have his cousin rob Edwards to give him some advice....no brainer.and Parrish would be better with the young uns....was wolves academy manager for 10 yrs,and highly thought of too

[llanymynechshrew]

Oct 26, 2024 21:44:36 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Oct 26, 2024 20:19:58 GMT 1 JohnG said:

From his post match interview, it sounds like some of our young loanees are not impressing in training! Reading between the lines, and with current game time, that would suggest O'Reilly & Sagoe Jr.

just like cotterill our current manager simply cannot afford to be falling out with anyone in the squad,   he signed them,   and he might need to tread on eggshells to stop them crying
this isn't Alex Ferguson in his prime who could freeze a player out and just go sign another
this is stfc who have a small budget and cant replace anyone mid season

I can't imagine Doig is paticularly easy to get on with either.

[staffordshrew]

Oct 26, 2024 20:19:58 GMT 1 JohnG said:

From his post match interview, it sounds like some of our young loanees are not impressing in training! Reading between the lines, and with current game time, that would suggest O'Reilly & Sagoe Jr.

A bunch of bored kids going through the motions in training with little expection of getting a game?

[Kiwi]

I'm still for keeping PH am I frustrated with the results ? Yes. Do I feel we should have more points than what we have ? Yes. Do I think our scorelines reflect how the games have gone so far ? No.

There are lots of things I have liked so far this season in terms of the football on the pitch and some that had left me confused and bewildered sometimes team selection and subs have also made me question things but I don't know what goes on week to week or how guys in the squad are feeling or why some performances give me mid table or better hope and others leave me thinking glad we weren't playing Hereford that week haha it's also hard to judge a manager vs manager and say for certain that with the same squad they would get a better or worse result I still have hope and believe we do have enough about us to come right and stay in the league by the skin of our teeth best thing we can do in this time is get behind the club and support them we can't help anything behind the scenes of the club but we can get down there and support the lads from first to final whistle.

[harboroughshrew]

Oct 27, 2024 1:53:32 GMT 1 Kiwi said:

I'm still for keeping PH am I frustrated with the results ? Yes. Do I feel we should have more points than what we have ? Yes. Do I think our scorelines reflect how the games have gone so far ? No.

There are lots of things I have liked so far this season in terms of the football on the pitch and some that had left me confused and bewildered sometimes team selection and subs have also made me question things but I don't know what goes on week to week or how guys in the squad are feeling or why some performances give me mid table or better hope and others leave me thinking glad we weren't playing Hereford that week haha it's also hard to judge a manager vs manager and say for certain that with the same squad they would get a better or worse result I still have hope and believe we do have enough about us to come right and stay in the league by the skin of our teeth best thing we can do in this time is get behind the club and support them we can't help anything behind the scenes of the club but we can get down there and support the lads from first to final whistle.

Your loyalty and optimism are very commendable but I think part of the reason we are in this situation is that the fan base is too nice. The crowd was right behind the team yesterday and in the first half the singing section was in good voice and what did they get for their efforts - only one shot of any note in the whole match. The noise level obviously went down in the second half when it become clear to anyone with half a brain that there was going to be nothing to cheer about. I have seen a few relegation seasons in my time but never seen one when the club seems to have accepted their fate by October. Loyalty cuts both ways and the fans are being badly let down by the club at the moment.

[secretshrew]

One thing that Hurst was great at last time around was knowing his 1st eleven and what formation we were playing.
Yesterday showed that he still doesn’t know what his best eleven is. I understand that we have injuries etc, but his comments regarding the loanees not being able to help out, really isn’t great. We must have known this before we loaned them in?

[thesensationaljt]

Look at Hurst's record after he left us. It makes grim reading.

[Pilch]

Oct 27, 2024 10:47:17 GMT 1 thesensationaljt said:

Look at Hurst's record after he left us. It makes grim reading.

117 EFL games

115 EFL points ,   = 0.98 per game

Ipswich 15 games   0.66 points per game
Sunny 30 games 1.1 points per game
Grimsby 40 efl games , 1.15 points per game
Town 32 games 0.81 points per game



that awful Matty Taylor only managed 1.07 points per game with us in 28 league games


Hurst still no chants have been aimed at him
in fact everyone else but him