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Post by camdenshrew on Oct 18, 2024 7:16:33 GMT 1
How many more times do we have to watch this pattern repeat itself? A promising first half undermined by another defensive error coupled with an inability to finish and then a second half devoid of belief, idea or energy.
The Castledine of the first few weeks of the season would have buried that chance in the first half but he's slowly being dragged down. Yes, that was a penalty and it could have made all the difference. However, what happened in the second half was inexcusable with little urgency on the pitch and none off it.
Hurst's inability to make proactive substitutions or making them too late when we desperately need a change are robbing us of any hope of getting back into games.
The passing had to be quicker, there was little movement and we were offering no threat down the flanks. It was crying out for Bloxham to replace Gillead and/or Sagoe to carry the ball forward and give their defence something new to think about. And Castledine and O'Reilly need to be on the pitch at the same time. They looked a real handful against Orient but they've not started a League game together since.
The second half attacks were pathetic, summed up for me by the award of a free-kick in a decent position with about 10 minutes to go which Ojo actually took 10-12 yards further back than it should have been. When Ryan announced the next home game was Barnsley you could almost hear the groans around the ground. What are the odds it will be exactly more of the same?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2024 7:20:46 GMT 1
What's with Gary Caldwell and David Perkins - the Exeter pair as well tonight, - A proper pair of bullies, even when winning. Perhaps that's just what we need. Players like those two, Mullin and Palmer at Rexham and many other players are bullies, but they get results. When you're 4th from bottom with just 2 wins in 12 league games and all the teams around us having games in hand it might be time to stop being nice. |
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Post by gobowenshrew on Oct 18, 2024 8:28:26 GMT 1
Every pass is a square or backwards. In the unlikely event the ball goes forward, it goes to someone facing their own goal. The square and sideways football led regularly to bringing Exeter out of position and finding balls into feet through the entirety of the first half, and still did until the second goal of theirs. The other option is resorting back to asking our striker(s) to chase hopeful diagonal balls into the channel and give up possession so easily, as has happened for seasons and seasons now, and barely result in chances or goals. The way we played tonight created plenty. I must be watching a different game. Countless times in the second half Ojo or even Marquis would drop deep to receive the ball and no Exeter player would go with them. This was my point about football intelligence, if the intention is to draw the press and then start an attack from a defensive position then it was really badly executed. You also need runners and overlaps. Something Benning and Gillead just don't offer. They looked shot IMO. I take your second point but ironically the only time in the second half we caused a bit of uncertainty to the Exeter backline was when Feeney hits an aimless lofted ball into the channels and the two Exeter defenders get caught under each others feet and Lloyd gets in behind. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 18, 2024 8:28:46 GMT 1
Every pass is a square or backwards. In the unlikely event the ball goes forward, it goes to someone facing their own goal. The square and sideways football led regularly to bringing Exeter out of position and finding balls into feet through the entirety of the first half, and still did until the second goal of theirs. The other option is resorting back to asking our striker(s) to chase hopeful diagonal balls into the channel and give up possession so easily, as has happened for seasons and seasons now, and barely result in chances or goals. The way we played tonight created plenty. I must be watching a different game. It takes a basic understanding of tactics to understand this. Years of sitting back, getting the ball, hoofing it and run after it have confused fans when they see a game plan. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 18, 2024 8:30:17 GMT 1
The most frustrating performance of the season yet. Showed glimpses in a solid first half performance but came out in the second half looking like a rudderless ship. I'm bored of hearing myself say it but no leadership on or off the pitch and a manager who lacks the cajones to make any decisions to effect the game when losing. No one in their right mind with the changes available to them would have kept Ojo and Rossiter on the pitch together for so long. Every pass is a square or backwards. In the unlikely event the ball goes forward, it goes to someone facing their own goal.I haven't watched the first goal back yet but knowing Nsiala is an absolute walking disaster, why on earth do we insist on playing hospital balls to him or Savin rolling it out to him like he's prime Sergio Ramos. No football intelligence to be found anywhere and no one taking any ownership whatsoever. Would like to see the penalty shout people are talking about and a highly suspicious second goal but either way we got what we deserved. Credit to Exeter, a well drilled unit and genuinely hope they run close this season. I've highlighted one of your points , the craziest moment of the night for me was Leo, through on goal, just as we all thought he was about to smash the ball from about 8 yards into the net, he somehow thought laying the ball towards the edge of the box for Benning arriving in slow motion was the better option just summed up the whole evening that From TV that looked the better option. It's a shame Benning didn't have the intelligence to fake a shot and instead chose to blast it at woods who was right in front of him. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 18, 2024 8:32:24 GMT 1
It sucks but no need for panic stations just yet. 8 defeats in 12 games this season , when would be time to panic? Because there are plenty of other teams in a similar position and in the majority of games we have been competitive. Plenty of positive performances to give us hope. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2024 8:46:10 GMT 1
8 defeats in 12 games this season , when would be time to panic? Because there are plenty of other teams in a similar position and in the majority of games we have been competitive. Plenty of positive performances to give us hope. But do you think we’re going to magically cut out the catastrophic errors that have seen us throw away so many positive positions already this season? |
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Post by belfastshrew on Oct 18, 2024 10:31:15 GMT 1
Their keeper was MOTM by a mile. The scoreline would have been 4-2 or 3-2 without his reaction saves. Reminded me of young Dean Henderson for us. Maybe a more confident team could have buried a few of our chances however.
Exeter had a gameplan for us, and it worked to perfection. Let us have the ball knowing we struggle to score. They didn't close us down. We gift them the first goal. We huffed and puffed. Then at halftime they bring on the big guns. So easy for Josh Magennis to bag that 2nd.
Thought the ref let an awful lot go, and I thought pretty bias for the home side. I expect he didn't give the handball penalty to even things up. Led to a decent game to watch though.
This game wont define our season. But Brizzle Rvrs on Tuesday night is one of those 6 pointers again. I am confident still.
Floreat Salopia
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 18, 2024 11:13:00 GMT 1
Well that was a cracking first half from Town last night.
In my view that was the best 45 minutes I have seen from Salop since the first half performance against Bristol Rovers during Mr Hursts first spell - it was top drawer but sadly we didn't put our chances away. The game should have been dead and buried before half time. Anyone watching that performance in the first half who didn't know which team was 7th in the table would have assumed it was Salop.
Second half after Exeter had no doubt received the hairdryer treatment in the dressing room was a different game. Exeter took their chances over the 90 minutes and we did not.
On a brighter note, the new floodlights were fantastic - can we keep them?
In terms of constructive criticism, I think our leader needed to get fresh legs on at the 60 minute mark - Bloxham to replace the totally ineffective mr Gillead on the right and Mr Sagoe onto the left and tell them to just run at the exeter defence and get the team up the pitch.
We can all see the stats and the horrible run of form we are on but this team should not be confused with the relegation shambles created by Mr Turner/Jackson and Mr Mellon in previous debacles
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Post by MetaShrew on Oct 18, 2024 11:18:15 GMT 1
The games in hand that others are stacking up on us is a fresh concern – as if we needed any more!
Six-pointers every other week until Christmas now...
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 18, 2024 11:50:58 GMT 1
How gillead plays before sagoe jnr i don't know,covering for hoole at right back,but was always a midfield player or winger, didn't rate him when he was first here,even worse now,unless I'm seeing things!get hoole back,drop gillead,get sagoe in the team,or someone else, we're pedestrian going forward,at least sagoe can take the ball forward,and with a bit of speed....but at the end of the day, we'll get relegated because of our s**t defence....weak as kittens,and riddled with mistakes 🤦😢
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Post by wxm801 on Oct 18, 2024 13:31:18 GMT 1
You'll be relegated by March based on last nights game. You've got nothing up front and thats ultimately what's going to cost you. Most league two teams have more up front than you do so unless this is addressed in January and/or the summer you'll be planning an away day at Solihull and Tamworth before you know it.
Where were all your fans btw? No wonder the team is struggling with such a poor turn out
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 18, 2024 13:35:22 GMT 1
Where were all your fans btw? No wonder the team is struggling with such a poor turn out Speaking purely on why I didn't attend, ticket prices increased, quality of football somehow even worse and it was on the tele. |
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Post by gobowenshrew on Oct 18, 2024 13:38:06 GMT 1
The square and sideways football led regularly to bringing Exeter out of position and finding balls into feet through the entirety of the first half, and still did until the second goal of theirs. The other option is resorting back to asking our striker(s) to chase hopeful diagonal balls into the channel and give up possession so easily, as has happened for seasons and seasons now, and barely result in chances or goals. The way we played tonight created plenty. I must be watching a different game. It takes a basic understanding of tactics to understand this. Years of sitting back, getting the ball, hoofing it and run after it have confused fans when they see a game plan. A basic understanding of tactics would tell you that sitting back in your own 18-yard box waiting for high press that never comes when losing is probably not conducive to a positive outcome. It's no coincidence we've fared well in our previous two games to last night playing away from home against sides who will willingly attack us and press from the front. But there is no Plan B for sides that don't do this. It's becoming apparent that Hurst is a bit of a one-trick pony unfortunately. |
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Post by gtismygod on Oct 18, 2024 13:51:38 GMT 1
You'll be relegated by March based on last nights game. You've got nothing up front and thats ultimately what's going to cost you. Most league two teams have more up front than you do so unless this is addressed in January and/or the summer you'll be planning an away day at Solihull and Tamworth before you know it. Where were all your fans btw? No wonder the team is struggling with such a poor turn out Lol. I’d probably sit out any debate about low attendances or fair-weather supporters if I was you. Or have you already forgotten about your average attendance of 2,993 in the 2013/14 season? We’ll never forget. |
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Post by secretshrew on Oct 18, 2024 13:54:21 GMT 1
Nsiala’s mistake aside, I thought we were a match for Exeter (even though it’s obvious they didn’t get out of 2nd gear).
We’re just desperately missing quality and composure in the last 1/3 which sounds ridiculous after we scored 5 earlier in the week.
Positives for me were Rossiter & Ojo who looked good together but that’s about it. It’s going to take a gargantuan effort and a lot of luck to avoid league 2 football next season. Hope I’m wrong though.
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 18, 2024 15:14:26 GMT 1
And we'll struggle in that league too!!!
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Post by belfastshrew on Oct 18, 2024 16:21:58 GMT 1
I think Rossiter and Ojo are consistent players. Winnie has blown hot and cold this season despite all his efforts.
I note however...that in last nights game there were large large periods where we had zero midfield. Esp in the 2nd half. Those two just seemed to be unable to find the space. Maybe, as said earlier, we passed around the back line for ages waiting for that high press...it didnt come...their players swamping the midfield stopping the passes out...our lads hit the long ball down the sides and it was fairly easy for them to anticipate.
I wonder if Winnie should get a chance in this new formation? Might be the answer we need.
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Post by filmcrewshrew1 on Oct 18, 2024 16:25:27 GMT 1
You'll be relegated by March based on last nights game. You've got nothing up front and thats ultimately what's going to cost you. Most league two teams have more up front than you do so unless this is addressed in January and/or the summer you'll be planning an away day at Solihull and Tamworth before you know it. Where were all your fans btw? No wonder the team is struggling with such a poor turn out You’re right, how low we’ve sunk!!! |
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 18, 2024 17:10:22 GMT 1
With Hurst sitting down most of the game....was Jensen in charge again last night??? never noticed.....just saying like!!🤨🤨🤔
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2024 18:14:37 GMT 1
TOR has to replace Gilliead on Tuesday now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2024 19:46:52 GMT 1
Well you could put either Nurse or Pierre for Toto and Winchester for Benning perhaps.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 18, 2024 21:08:05 GMT 1
What's to be done? Hurst is probably staying but the half time, the substitutions, that's just not working. Maybe Hurst joins Dunny as simariser and Doig has a go at running the in match stuff? More blind faith and passion needed, Dave Edwards, even Dunny's usual sumasiser to get them going at half time. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 18, 2024 22:02:43 GMT 1
How about a half time team talk by mike Bassett👍😀😂🤣
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Post by claphamshrew on Oct 19, 2024 11:01:15 GMT 1
The most frustrating performance of the season yet. Showed glimpses in a solid first half performance but came out in the second half looking like a rudderless ship. I'm bored of hearing myself say it but no leadership on or off the pitch and a manager who lacks the cajones to make any decisions to effect the game when losing. No one in their right mind with the changes available to them would have kept Ojo and Rossiter on the pitch together for so long. Every pass is a square or backwards. In the unlikely event the ball goes forward, it goes to someone facing their own goal. I haven't watched the first goal back yet but knowing Nsiala is an absolute walking disaster, why on earth do we insist on playing hospital balls to him or Savin rolling it out to him like he's prime Sergio Ramos. No football intelligence to be found anywhere and no one taking any ownership whatsoever. Would like to see the penalty shout people are talking about and a highly suspicious second goal but either way we got what we deserved. Credit to Exeter, a well drilled unit and genuinely hope they run close this season. “No football intelligence to be found anywhere and no one taking any ownership whatsoever.” This is the biggest concern for me. All Toto had to do with the ball for the first goal was play a simple 5 yard pass to M Feeney rather than try and drop the shoulder. Absolutely crazy decision to try that as last man and I would have gone berserk with him if I was Feeney (who incidentally was captain). But of course all that happened was a half hearted shrug of the shoulders. Lo and behold in the second half Toto initially did well to get his body between the ball and man around the halfway line, but rather than simply lay it back to Feeney he attempted a 180 spin and promptly lost the ball which resulted in a dangerous attack by Exeter. For the second goal J Feeney and Benning were hopelessly out of position stood right next to eachother and three yards further forward than the rest of the defensive line, allowing the Exeter winger to run in behind and have all the time in the world to play the ball across to Magennis. I would be going apoplectic if i was in the middle. We are in desperate need for someone to take responsibility on the pitch, not only to give some guidance to the younger players but also the experienced ones too (despite the fact that they should know better). I don't see much of it on the touchline either! The players think they’re trying and think they’re together, and to a degree they are and there is plenty of effort, but they’ve got to think smarter and have more aggression, not just with the opposition but with eachother. We are deep in the trenches lads! |
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Post by blamber on Oct 19, 2024 11:33:36 GMT 1
The reality is that we have an ordinary League two squad so we will and do struggle against any side like Exeter that has some quality and pace. Exeter are the aspiration for us just now. We just have to make sure we win the mini league of ourselves, Cambridge, Burton, Crawley, Northampton, Orient and possibly Bristol Rovers. So far so good as we've beaten both Crawley and Orient. The points we got at Bolton and at home to Rotherham are very welcome and we'll need to keep picking up those sorts of results against the better sides. With such a strong league, something like 45 points will probably be enough. Bristol, Burton and Cambridge all coming up in the next few weeks. Crucial run of games approaching.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 19, 2024 11:37:11 GMT 1
How about a half time team talk by mike Bassett👍😀😂🤣 Sir Alex Ferguson, complete with flying boots. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 19, 2024 12:17:50 GMT 1
Are Benson and hedges still available??🤔🤣
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Post by hectord0g137 on Oct 19, 2024 13:16:45 GMT 1
I understand they play No6 and No10
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2024 14:08:20 GMT 1
I understand they play No6 and No10 Which one is John Player? Talking of which how about we include our Dutch international,Peter Stuyvesant? |
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