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Post by servernaside on Oct 16, 2024 17:08:23 GMT 1
Tube drivers are to go on strike for more pay. What a surprise!
No doubt Kier will give them a large bung as he did the train drivers.
Black hole? What black hole?
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Post by Pilch on Oct 16, 2024 21:44:26 GMT 1
Tube drivers are to go on strike for more pay. What a surprise! No doubt Kier will give them a large bung as he did the train drivers. Black hole? What black hole? im surprised the tubes are not driver free by now, they are well paid , £60k on average, greed will do themselves out of a job |
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Post by servernaside on Oct 16, 2024 22:02:42 GMT 1
Tube drivers are to go on strike for more pay. What a surprise! No doubt Kier will give them a large bung as he did the train drivers. Black hole? What black hole? im surprised the tubes are not driver free by now, they are well paid , £60k on average, greed will do themselves out of a job Sadly, we both know it won’t. Both mainline and underground trains have long had driverless capability, but the overpaid drivers are still there and the current government(and previous one) have done absolutely nothing about it except put up with endless strikes, go slows and overtime bans, before bunging them even more money. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 16, 2024 22:30:57 GMT 1
Tube drivers are to go on strike for more pay. What a surprise! No doubt Kier will give them a large bung as he did the train drivers. Black hole? What black hole? Would you do the job? Rocketing along in a tin can through a black hole all day . |
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Post by servernaside on Oct 17, 2024 11:43:32 GMT 1
Tube drivers are to go on strike for more pay. What a surprise! No doubt Kier will give them a large bung as he did the train drivers. Black hole? What black hole? Would you do the job? Rocketing along in a tin can through a lack hole all day . [/quote There are much worse jobs and in any case, I don’t believe anyone held a gun to their head when they applied. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2024 18:44:42 GMT 1
Tube drivers, along with train drivers are responsible for the safety of thousands of people every day. That is a lot responsibility. I doubt that if you ever travel on those trains or tube lines you ever consciously worry about your safety, but those drivers do, every second of every working day. Making sure you and your fellow passengers get safely to your destinations is their job, damn right they should be well paid for it.
I suppose we could always make these minimum wage jobs and get boy racers to fill them, but I doubt that many people would be as keen to jump aboard.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 18, 2024 9:02:31 GMT 1
Tube drivers, along with train drivers are responsible for the safety of thousands of people every day. That is a lot responsibility. I doubt that if you ever travel on those trains or tube lines you ever consciously worry about your safety, but those drivers do, every second of every working day. Making sure you and your fellow passengers get safely to your destinations is their job, damn right they should be well paid for it.
I suppose we could always make these minimum wage jobs and get boy racers to fill them, but I doubt that many people would be as keen to jump aboard.
Really ? Since privatization train drivers pay has doubled in comparison to doctors , teachers and soldiers , and also signalers , the job I used to do , a step up in safety above a train driver , it's the job that stops train bumping into each other , and stops public and their vehicles bumping into trains , why ? Because those left behind are in a job where there is no competition , on the other hand a shortage of train drivers mean a rival company at the same station offers a bonus and higher pay and to keep their service to drivers who switch companies , and then they switch back a while later for every higher pay , and in between they hold them to ransom for more pay by striking , I've always said they only strike so they can get chance to spend all their extra money Greed , they only need to do 2 things , stop and go , it's like a bus with someone else steering it for you |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 18, 2024 15:40:58 GMT 1
What I don't understand is why train companies had vacancies. Also, why are bus drivers poorly paid and why don't they apply to be train drivers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2024 17:23:46 GMT 1
Tube drivers, along with train drivers are responsible for the safety of thousands of people every day. That is a lot responsibility. I doubt that if you ever travel on those trains or tube lines you ever consciously worry about your safety, but those drivers do, every second of every working day. Making sure you and your fellow passengers get safely to your destinations is their job, damn right they should be well paid for it.
I suppose we could always make these minimum wage jobs and get boy racers to fill them, but I doubt that many people would be as keen to jump aboard.
Really ? Since privatization train drivers pay has doubled in comparison to doctors , teachers and soldiers , and also signalers , the job I used to do , a step up in safety above a train driver , it's the job that stops train bumping into each other , and stops public and their vehicles bumping into trains , why ? Because those left behind are in a job where there is no competition , on the other hand a shortage of train drivers mean a rival company at the same station offers a bonus and higher pay and to keep their service to drivers who switch companies , and then they switch back a while later for every higher pay , and in between they hold them to ransom for more pay by striking , I've always said they only strike so they can get chance to spend all their extra money Greed , they only need to do 2 things , stop and go , it's like a bus with someone else steering it for you We're you in the union? Are you currently in a union? |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 18, 2024 18:38:41 GMT 1
What I don't understand is why train companies had vacancies. Also, why are bus drivers poorly paid and why don't they apply to be train drivers. becoming a train driver or signaller has an exam that makes a taxi driver learning the knowledge seem lime a 2 times table the signaller training when I did it, was 6 weeks boarding in school, a week in the middle in the box learning, and then several weeks training in the box before a practical exam, and then a full days grilling on the rule book so see if ready to be passed out the train drivers need to learn a similar amount just in case the red & green lights are not working  |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 18, 2024 18:40:37 GMT 1
Really ? Since privatization train drivers pay has doubled in comparison to doctors , teachers and soldiers , and also signalers , the job I used to do , a step up in safety above a train driver , it's the job that stops train bumping into each other , and stops public and their vehicles bumping into trains , why ? Because those left behind are in a job where there is no competition , on the other hand a shortage of train drivers mean a rival company at the same station offers a bonus and higher pay and to keep their service to drivers who switch companies , and then they switch back a while later for every higher pay , and in between they hold them to ransom for more pay by striking , I've always said they only strike so they can get chance to spend all their extra money Greed , they only need to do 2 things , stop and go , it's like a bus with someone else steering it for you We're you in the union? Are you currently in a union? why ? not currently in a union but always have been before, my opinion is they are increasingly becoming a waste of time |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 18, 2024 20:07:07 GMT 1
What I don't understand is why train companies had vacancies. Also, why are bus drivers poorly paid and why don't they apply to be train drivers. becoming a train driver or signaller has an exam that makes a taxi driver learning the knowledge seem lime a 2 times table the signaller training when I did it, was 6 weeks boarding in school, a week in the middle in the box learning, and then several weeks training in the box before a practical exam, and then a full days grilling on the rule book so see if ready to be passed out the train drivers need to learn a similar amount just in case the red & green lights are not working Do they teach you to think outside of the box? 😀 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2024 6:22:18 GMT 1
We're you in the union? Are you currently in a union? why ? not currently in a union but always have been before, my opinion is they are increasingly becoming a waste of time
Here's a list of wins by just one union. Not the waste of time you seem to think.
Maybe you just like getting the benefits of union negotiated deals without having to pay your dues.
''In April 2025, Royal Mail will review its commitment to no compulsory redundancies. The review will consider whether circumstances allow the company to extend this commitment.
Here are some other details from the Royal Mail pay deal:
The deal includes a 10% salary increase, which is broken down as:
A 2% pay rise from April 2022
A 6% pay rise from April 2023
A one-off £500 lump sum payment
A 2% pay rise from April 2024
The deal also includes:
Changes to sick pay, attendance standards, and ill health retirement
A profit share scheme
Later start times from 2024 onwards
Seasonal working patterns, with more hours during busy periods like Christmas
Sunday work as a requirement for new employee contracts
The deal was accepted by over 75% of CWU members, ending a long dispute that caused severe problems over Christmas.''
I am guessing that you went to your boss and told him you didn't want any of these pay rises and benefits.
The people that run this country, not the politicians, the ones that really run it, the billionaires and the banks and the hedge funds and the media moguls, they love nothing more than people like you moaning about one set of workers getting more than another set. Getting us all fighting amongst ourselves over the last cookie while they carry away a crate of cookies is manna from heaven to them. While we're too busy fighting we miss the sleight of hand that they use to squirrel away the money that your work and mine deserves.
Whether a train driver really deserves £60k while a nurse only gets £23k isn't the argument. The nurse deserves at least the same wage, but no-one wants to pay a penny more in taxes, so they'll keep telling us that the country can't afford it. If your wage goes up the Royal Mail can just put up the price of a stamp to cover it. If the train drivers get a pay rise the train operators put the fares up. If Asda staff get a pay rise, your shopping bill goes up. Funnily enough it's never the CEOs or shareholders missing out.
If however the nurses or doctors or healthcare assistants or coppers or squaddies or firefighters or council staff want a pay rise, taxes have to go up, but no-one wants to pay any more taxes. That's why we are where we are, still fighting and bickering among ourselves while the fat cats hoard the cream.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 19, 2024 10:59:53 GMT 1
the trouble with wannabe politicians is they think they know everything, but dont think outside the box
I dont work for Royal Mail
next question please
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Post by Pilch on Oct 22, 2024 17:36:34 GMT 1
why ? not currently in a union but always have been before, my opinion is they are increasingly becoming a waste of time
Here's a list of wins by just one union. Not the waste of time you seem to think.
Maybe you just like getting the benefits of union negotiated deals without having to pay your dues.
''In April 2025, Royal Mail will review its commitment to no compulsory redundancies. The review will consider whether circumstances allow the company to extend this commitment.
Here are some other details from the Royal Mail pay deal:
The deal includes a 10% salary increase, which is broken down as:
A 2% pay rise from April 2022
A 6% pay rise from April 2023
A one-off £500 lump sum payment
A 2% pay rise from April 2024
The deal also includes:
Changes to sick pay, attendance standards, and ill health retirement
A profit share scheme
Later start times from 2024 onwards
Seasonal working patterns, with more hours during busy periods like Christmas
Sunday work as a requirement for new employee contracts
The deal was accepted by over 75% of CWU members, ending a long dispute that caused severe problems over Christmas.''
I am guessing that you went to your boss and told him you didn't want any of these pay rises and benefits.
The people that run this country, not the politicians, the ones that really run it, the billionaires and the banks and the hedge funds and the media moguls, they love nothing more than people like you moaning about one set of workers getting more than another set. Getting us all fighting amongst ourselves over the last cookie while they carry away a crate of cookies is manna from heaven to them. While we're too busy fighting we miss the sleight of hand that they use to squirrel away the money that your work and mine deserves.
Whether a train driver really deserves £60k while a nurse only gets £23k isn't the argument. The nurse deserves at least the same wage, but no-one wants to pay a penny more in taxes, so they'll keep telling us that the country can't afford it. If your wage goes up the Royal Mail can just put up the price of a stamp to cover it. If the train drivers get a pay rise the train operators put the fares up. If Asda staff get a pay rise, your shopping bill goes up. Funnily enough it's never the CEOs or shareholders missing out.
If however the nurses or doctors or healthcare assistants or coppers or squaddies or firefighters or council staff want a pay rise, taxes have to go up, but no-one wants to pay any more taxes. That's why we are where we are, still fighting and bickering among ourselves while the fat cats hoard the cream.
I might just add that your post really is enough to fire up any postman, go ahead and trial it on one and see what your response is most of what you are labelling WINS, are actually big LOSSES like Changes to sick pay, attendance standards, and ill health retirement Changes to sick pay yes, a reduction in sick pay for the first few days attendance standards, yes, vastly stricter attendance standards before it was 14 days or 4 absences in 12 months triggered stage 1, in which you then had attached to you for 6 months where you had to have less than 10 days and only 1 absence to get back to normal or invoke stage 2 now its 12 days or 3 absences in 12 months triggers stage 1, in which you now have attached to you for 12 months where you can only have 12 days or 2 absences to avoid a stage 2 both repeat again and if broken again its stage 3 stage 3 is consideration for dismissal, and they are really nice about it, they usually sack you and give you 12 weeks notice to carry on working so you can find another job I'll health retirement, yep another bonus, was 2 years pay, now 9 months after youve jumped through hoops for best part of 18 months to try and qualify for it Later start times wow yes, another fantastic change forget the past, dont come in early, get everyone post to them in the morning and have the afternoon to yourself, come in at 830, work until 430 ( baking hot in the summer, and dark in the winter but they do give you a cheap small torch ( without batteries ) ) the union did manager to halt this to an hour later this time around, but Royal Mail want 10-7 as the hours seasonal work hours lol yes, when it gets crazy busy, enforce 2 hours a week extra on staff, then lose 2 hours a week in the rest of the year ( to do the job that was already impossible to do ) yes thats the wonderful CWU union messed up the strikes, more often than not had to cancel them as their procedures contained mistakes and Royal Mail won injunctions they just caved in in the end, waste of time they also agreed to the biggest no no and thats allowing new starters to earn less and have different contracts ( far worse than existing ones ) this now leads to the inevitable unofficial cleansing of existing staff I walked before I was pushed |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 25, 2024 23:52:54 GMT 1
giving this one a swerve now are you Neil ?
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Post by zenfootball on Oct 27, 2024 12:34:18 GMT 1
Tube drivers, along with train drivers are responsible for the safety of thousands of people every day. That is a lot responsibility. I doubt that if you ever travel on those trains or tube lines you ever consciously worry about your safety, but those drivers do, every second of every working day. Making sure you and your fellow passengers get safely to your destinations is their job, damn right they should be well paid for it.
I suppose we could always make these minimum wage jobs and get boy racers to fill them, but I doubt that many people would be as keen to jump aboard.
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