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Post by dibblydobbly on Oct 8, 2024 10:29:05 GMT 1
Following recent posts, I have done some digging and it appears at first glance that:
1 - there are rows and blocks already available using handrails
2 - they are in all the three home stands
3 - Ignoring Wheelchair and carer seats and seats reserved for opposition etc there are 2,097 seats available for sale with a handrail of some kind already installed for access, about half of those are in one stand to be fair.
I will trot along tonight and make doubly sure the above is right, but in principle the figures seem to say you can sit in any stand you like, accessed by a staircase with a handrail, if you are happy to sit in a seat that has a handrail next to that row.
Comments welcome, I will recheck the figures later, (though I will not climb all the stairs to count the affected seats, not sure I would make it back)
Fingers crossed for tonight
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 8, 2024 10:45:32 GMT 1
Thank you so much for doing that. Could you check the end of each stand for a long handrail from top to bottom please.
I know there are rails on the front few rows at the ends of these rows but if people sit near the back it’s quite dangerous. We walk through the rows and try to balance ourselves on the stand ends but it’s not as good as a rail would be. Block two particularly has a lot of elderly fans although there are older fans in all blocks.
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 8, 2024 10:55:10 GMT 1
I know the West Stand has a full length snd rail ( Block 13) and I am Sure that Block 1 in the East Stand does not.
Obviously there can only be fitted at the extreme ends of each stand.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Oct 8, 2024 11:42:15 GMT 1
Thank you so much for doing that. Could you check the end of each stand for a long handrail from top to bottom please. I know there are rails on the front few rows at the ends of these rows but if people sit near the back it’s quite dangerous. We walk through the rows and try to balance ourselves on the stand ends but it’s not as good as a rail would be. Block two particularly has a lot of elderly fans although there are older fans in all blocks. OK so now I need to check we are talking about the same things, so there is no misunderstanding. Are you keen on safety rails that assist in climbing steps and accessing rows, or are you wanting rails that run between the individual rows for support while momving along the row? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 8, 2024 12:11:10 GMT 1
Thank you so much for doing that. Could you check the end of each stand for a long handrail from top to bottom please. I know there are rails on the front few rows at the ends of these rows but if people sit near the back it’s quite dangerous. We walk through the rows and try to balance ourselves on the stand ends but it’s not as good as a rail would be. Block two particularly has a lot of elderly fans although there are older fans in all blocks. OK so now I need to check we are talking about the same things, so there is no misunderstanding. Are you keen on safety rails that assist in climbing steps and accessing rows, or are you wanting rails that run between the individual rows for support while momving along the row? Escalators and travelators to all seats, seats centrally heated and self bird poo cleaning with a rise and fall mechanism to aid sitting up and sitting down, failing that, a couple of St John ambulance men to get you to your seat 
Ok, really just enough to get our older fans to their seats safely. A little bit of assistance, up to the rows and along them. Perhaps someone of a certain age should check out what's needed, perhaps Roland? Keep him out of mischief whilst Liam deals with all the offers for the club  |
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Post by dibblydobbly on Oct 8, 2024 12:29:16 GMT 1
OK so now I need to check we are talking about the same things, so there is no misunderstanding. Are you keen on safety rails that assist in climbing steps and accessing rows, or are you wanting rails that run between the individual rows for support while momving along the row? Escalators and travelators to all seats, seats centrally heated and self bird poo cleaning with a rise and fall mechanism to aid sitting up and sitting down, failing that, a couple of St John ambulance men to get you to your seat
Ok, really just enough to get our older fans to their seats safely. A little bit of assistance, up to the rows and along them. Perhaps someone of a certain age should check out what's needed, perhaps Roland? Keep him out of mischief whilst Liam deals with all the offers for the club I suspect you may have just fallen in to a problem St John's Ambulance personnel, please |
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 8, 2024 16:11:24 GMT 1
I would be happy with a full length rail at the end of each block as exkeeper has described.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 8, 2024 16:29:54 GMT 1
I think there’s one in Block 19 and Block 13..one in block 1 has been suggested and was being looked into by Stadium Manager.
Think the club may be including the first 4 rows in each block that do have rails then adding them up to get 2087? Problem with those seats is you get wet if it rains. We’ve come a long way from disabled having to sit around the pitch in little blue cars with different viewing options a necessity.
Mr Dibbley try standing at the top of the stand and walking down between block 1 & 2 with no support and you’ll see what the problem is. Don't think the solution will be sit at the front in the rain 😉
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2024 16:52:42 GMT 1
I think there’s one in Block 19 and Block 13..one in block 1 has been suggested and was being looked into by Stadium Manager. Think the club may be including the first 4 rows in each block that do have rails then adding them up to get 2087? Problem with those seats is you get wet if it rains. We’ve come a long way from disabled having to sit around the pitch in little blue cars with different viewing options a necessity. Mr Dibbley try standing at the top of the stand and walking down between block 1 & 2 with no support and you’ll see what the problem is. Don't think the solution will be sit at the front in the rain 😉 Perhaps involve supporters in the discussion prior to a future home game? |
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Post by AlisonS on Oct 8, 2024 17:30:42 GMT 1
And what might work in some stands/blocks may not in others. Getting off the middle/upper rows of the West Stand has always seemed to me to be a potential safety hazard - and if it wasn’t for the patience and politeness of Shropshire people, I think the club might well have had a serious incident by now. Even allowing for those who leave early, climbing all over you while there is a match still going on (annoying as it is I understand why some do it), when the final whistle goes you go when everyone else goes, by the nearest exit. You can’t see your feet, let alone a bit of step to put your foot on. It all takes ages to reach the concourse. Staying behind till the crowd clears or walking through rows just isn’t an option in a moderately full stadium.
Getting out of many football stadiums may not be easy, but for some reason, ours seems to be one of the worst.
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Post by DiglisShrew on Oct 8, 2024 18:06:02 GMT 1
And what might work in some stands/blocks may not in others. Getting off the middle/upper rows of the West Stand has always seemed to me to be a potential safety hazard - and if it wasn’t for the patience and politeness of Shropshire people, I think the club might well have had a serious incident by now. Even allowing for those who leave early, climbing all over you while there is a match still going on (annoying as it is I understand why some do it), when the final whistle goes you go when everyone else goes, by the nearest exit. You can’t see your feet, let alone a bit of step to put your foot on. It all takes ages to reach the concourse. Staying behind till the crowd clears or walking through rows just isn’t an option in a moderately full stadium. Getting out of many football stadiums may not be easy, but for some reason, ours seems to be one of the worst. And I suspect a potential hindrance in any emergency evacuation 🤔 |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 8, 2024 18:20:52 GMT 1
And what might work in some stands/blocks may not in others. Getting off the middle/upper rows of the West Stand has always seemed to me to be a potential safety hazard - and if it wasn’t for the patience and politeness of Shropshire people, I think the club might well have had a serious incident by now. Even allowing for those who leave early, climbing all over you while there is a match still going on (annoying as it is I understand why some do it), when the final whistle goes you go when everyone else goes, by the nearest exit. You can’t see your feet, let alone a bit of step to put your foot on. It all takes ages to reach the concourse. Staying behind till the crowd clears or walking through rows just isn’t an option in a moderately full stadium. Getting out of many football stadiums may not be easy, but for some reason, ours seems to be one of the worst. And I suspect a potential hindrance in any emergency evacuation 🤔 but we have a fire drill towards the end of every game, I think tonights is planned in the east stand ;-) |
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 8, 2024 22:29:51 GMT 1
The problem with coming down from the higher up rows,without anything to hold on to is that it only takes one fan to stumble forward and a domino effect could take over.
Are there any rails for the old folks on the Directors box.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 8, 2024 23:01:28 GMT 1
The problem with coming down from the higher up rows,without anything to hold on to is that it only takes one fan to stumble forward and a domino effect could take over. Are there any rails for the old folks on the Directors box. the only rails I've ever seen in a box were made by Hornby heres an idea, if you have a sore Coccyx dont sit, use the safe standing if you have a bad back, dont stand, sit if you are disabled, used the disabled area if you need a rail, sit by a rail if you go to the theatre do you make demands of them or ask for a seat that suits ? |
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 9, 2024 7:26:59 GMT 1
The problem with coming down from the higher up rows,without anything to hold on to is that it only takes one fan to stumble forward and a domino effect could take over. Are there any rails for the old folks on the Directors box. the only rails I've ever seen in a box were made by Hornby heres an idea, if you have a sore Coccyx dont sit, use the safe standing if you have a bad back, dont stand, sit if you are disabled, used the disabled area if you need a rail, sit by a rail if you go to the theatre do you make demands of them or ask for a seat that suits ? If all the elderly folk that I see struggling down the steps were to sit by a rail, there wouldn’t be enough seats. Just the sort of comment I would expect from someone who hasn’t yet reached that stage in life. I helped my father up and down the steps into his mid 90s, never considering that my knees would deteriorate as I got older. I have been in several theatres that have handrails along the walls but never one that has thousands of customers all streaming down the steep at the same time. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 7:38:22 GMT 1
The problem with coming down from the higher up rows,without anything to hold on to is that it only takes one fan to stumble forward and a domino effect could take over. Are there any rails for the old folks on the Directors box. the only rails I've ever seen in a box were made by Hornby heres an idea, if you have a sore Coccyx dont sit, use the safe standing if you have a bad back, dont stand, sit if you are disabled, used the disabled area if you need a rail, sit by a rail if you go to the theatre do you make demands of them or ask for a seat that suits ? Way way too far. Quite probably one of the worst posts ever on this board. We know you are 100% pro club and Chairman but that post is shameful. You should be absolutely embarrassed posting comments like that |
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 9, 2024 7:41:48 GMT 1
Absolutely. Extremely rude to older folk and not even amusing. This thread should not be disintegrating into such comments. It will become a serious issue if there is an incident.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 9, 2024 7:43:58 GMT 1
I have to ask why there are rails at the end of some stands and not all of them?
Perhaps the logic of this could be explained.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 9, 2024 8:07:24 GMT 1
the only rails I've ever seen in a box were made by Hornby heres an idea, if you have a sore Coccyx dont sit, use the safe standing if you have a bad back, dont stand, sit if you are disabled, used the disabled area if you need a rail, sit by a rail if you go to the theatre do you make demands of them or ask for a seat that suits ? If all the elderly folk that I see struggling down the steps were to sit by a rail, there wouldn’t be enough seats. Just the sort of comment I would expect from someone who hasn’t yet reached that stage in life. I helped my father up and down the steps into his mid 90s, never considering that my knees would deteriorate as I got older. I have been in several theatres that have handrails along the walls but never one that has thousands of customers all streaming down the steep at the same time. I've struggled with the steps since day one as mentioned on here several times , not meant to be rude , just stating the obvious and offering a solution , as pointed out in the opening post there are over 2000 seats near a rail , |
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 9, 2024 10:27:08 GMT 1
How many of those seats are in the first four rows? I tried that with the old fella but we found ourselves pounded by rain and biting, horizontal winds.
Perhaps we should be discouraged from attending as we reach a certain stage in life. I bet Mr Wycherley would have views on that!
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 9, 2024 10:28:03 GMT 1
If all the elderly folk that I see struggling down the steps were to sit by a rail, there wouldn’t be enough seats. Just the sort of comment I would expect from someone who hasn’t yet reached that stage in life. I helped my father up and down the steps into his mid 90s, never considering that my knees would deteriorate as I got older. I have been in several theatres that have handrails along the walls but never one that has thousands of customers all streaming down the steep at the same time. I've struggled with the steps since day one as mentioned on here several times , not meant to be rude , just stating the obvious and offering a solution , as pointed out in the opening post there are over 2000 seats near a rail , Yet to be proved. Waiting on clarification from Mr Dibbleys survey. Hope he didn’t take on the ‘take the steps’ challenge 😉 Interested how many of the 2000+ or at the front. How far from a hand rail are they including in ‘near a rail’? Sounds like something the stadium managers been working on rather than finding a solution, unless the OP counted them. Interesting times |
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 9, 2024 11:23:29 GMT 1
I've struggled with the steps since day one as mentioned on here several times , not meant to be rude , just stating the obvious and offering a solution , as pointed out in the opening post there are over 2000 seats near a rail , Yet to be proved. Waiting on clarification from Mr Dibbleys survey. Hope he didn’t take on the ‘take the steps’ challenge 😉 Interested how many of the 2000+ or at the front. How far from a hand rail are they including in ‘near a rail’? Sounds like something the stadium managers been working on rather than finding a solution, unless the OP counted them. Interesting times There was me thinking it was Ms Dibbly 😉 Let’s be honest, we’re not going to get additional handrails because we can’t afford it - that’s what it comes down to… so as with everything else, don’t expect it to improve until we are sold |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 9, 2024 11:38:05 GMT 1
How many of those seats are in the first four rows? I tried that with the old fella but we found ourselves pounded by rain and biting, horizontal winds. Perhaps we should be discouraged from attending as we reach a certain stage in life. I bet Mr Wycherley would have views on that! I used to sit in block 13 at one point , there is a rail from top to bottom at the end of the stand It's a quiet stand , plenty of spare seats  |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 9, 2024 11:40:00 GMT 1
Yet to be proved. Waiting on clarification from Mr Dibbleys survey. Hope he didn’t take on the ‘take the steps’ challenge 😉 Interested how many of the 2000+ or at the front. How far from a hand rail are they including in ‘near a rail’? Sounds like something the stadium managers been working on rather than finding a solution, unless the OP counted them. Interesting times There was me thinking it was Ms Dibbly 😉 Let’s be honest, we’re not going to get additional handrails because we can’t afford it - that’s what it comes down to… so as with everything else, don’t expect it to improve until we are sold The ideal project for Superblues or the OSC maybe. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 11:44:04 GMT 1
How many of those seats are in the first four rows? I tried that with the old fella but we found ourselves pounded by rain and biting, horizontal winds. Perhaps we should be discouraged from attending as we reach a certain stage in life. I bet Mr Wycherley would have views on that! I used to sit in block 13 at one point , there is a rail from top to bottom at the end of the stand It's a quiet stand , plenty of spare seats Anyone getting a bus/lift into the game might not want to/or be able to walk all the way round to the other stand. That rail you’ve posted a picture of surely isn’t going to break the bank. |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 9, 2024 11:46:22 GMT 1
How many of those seats are in the first four rows? I tried that with the old fella but we found ourselves pounded by rain and biting, horizontal winds. Perhaps we should be discouraged from attending as we reach a certain stage in life. I bet Mr Wycherley would have views on that! I used to sit in block 13 at one point , there is a rail from top to bottom at the end of the stand So why not Block 1? In fairness the design of the stadium makes it difficult but not impossible to put hand rails on the isles between the blocks. 13 & 19 have got them on the end walls 1 & 7 and 8 & 12 haven’t hence the club looking into it after Jan SP meeting (may have been the previous one) when Lawrence Ellerby was asked to look into it. The results never been reported back to the fans… |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 9, 2024 11:52:34 GMT 1
It's the Tory bashing all over again this , new thing every week even though the whole world new a new leader was imminent
It just became a game for some or an obsession to others
No doubt when we get a new leader at the meadow the moaners will then pretend everything is fine 🤩🤩
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Post by Pilch on Oct 9, 2024 12:03:19 GMT 1
I used to sit in block 13 at one point , there is a rail from top to bottom at the end of the stand It's a quiet stand , plenty of spare seats Anyone getting a bus/lift into the game might not want to/or be able to walk all the way round to the other stand. That rail you’ve posted a picture of surely isn’t going to break the bank. The perversity of fate |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 12:14:59 GMT 1
I'm glad that the club has seen and been involved in discussions on this thread, at least they know of the concerns raised.
I see that there is also a sarcastic comment on the Birmingham thread about the handrails.
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Post by tdk on Oct 9, 2024 12:36:00 GMT 1
I no longer attend Town evening games because of the steps. ( Hence not renewing my season ticket.)
I also no longer go to the buffet at halftime
Enjoy evening games at Villa park no problem
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