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Post by dibblydobbly on Sept 15, 2024 18:10:10 GMT 1
Pretty much everyone prefers one or the other,
But they played each other yesterday - FGR v Wealdstone
Despite FGR's money, home advantage and everything else it finished 2-2 I would count that as a win for Matt Taylor, but others I am sure will disagree
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Post by belfastshrew on Sept 15, 2024 18:19:57 GMT 1
Pretty much everyone prefers one or the other. Neither thanks 🤣 |
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SC or MT??
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 15, 2024 18:22:21 GMT 1
I'd always take Wealdstone over FGR tbh. Nothing to do with the managers though.
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SC or MT??
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Post by hectord0g137 on Sept 15, 2024 18:26:11 GMT 1
Great question.....it's neither for me,but,hands behind back.....MT every day of the week
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 15, 2024 19:01:34 GMT 1
I always thought SC was a decent manager due to some game changing tactical changes during games leading to a positive result. But in hindsight he failed to build a big enough squad despite having a competitive league 1 budget and we did not even threaten the play offs.
MT was hit hard with injuries to key players who were expected to make a difference to the quality of the squad. You take our current squad and take out the majority of the loan players due to injuries and we would be a lot worse than we were in any game under MT. Terrible tactician mind.
So yer, neither.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 15, 2024 19:04:41 GMT 1
MT for me. I still feel he was let down by those above him and not given the support or assistance that a young manager learning his trade should have received. Like Askey before him he was given a poisoned chalice.
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Post by Bordershrew on Sept 15, 2024 19:06:21 GMT 1
As a person, Taylor.
As a coach, Cotterill.
Both have styles which are anti football though, I know Hursts current record is worse than both but at least we’re attempting to play the game.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 15, 2024 19:06:24 GMT 1
SC: Old dog, might have one or two more new tricks left in him, but set in his, expensive, ways. Not a bad past record though.
MT: On the way up, still learning. Who knows how far he can go? Budget wise a winner I'd say between the two.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 15, 2024 19:17:37 GMT 1
only one of them was up for the challenge last season and jumped in at the deep end to help us , the other jumped ship and rowed off in the lifeboat ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 19:36:19 GMT 1
Forest Green are 2nd, Wealdstone are 21st.
I'm sure they had a good chat afterwards about Roland and all things STFC
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 19:41:32 GMT 1
MT for me.
If the choice was between SC and Atilla the Hun I would vote for Atilla,such is my loathing of SC
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 19:50:05 GMT 1
We should never have hired MT. Fronted up and brought Hurst out from Grimsby. Would have been cheaper than paying MT off and a full season under Hurst last year would have been so much better.
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SC or MT??
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Post by Pilch on Sept 15, 2024 19:52:36 GMT 1
We should never have hired MT. Fronted up and brought Hurst out from Grimsby. Would have been cheaper than paying MT off and a full season under Hurst last year would have been so much better. bit like this season then |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 15, 2024 19:52:51 GMT 1
SC was appointed because Roland wanted him for years but then he left us in a mess. MT was appointed because MM wanted him in the brave new world of the new STFC but was gone within 6 months.
I'm not sure which is worse
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 19:58:50 GMT 1
We should never have hired MT. Fronted up and brought Hurst out from Grimsby. Would have been cheaper than paying MT off and a full season under Hurst last year would have been so much better. bit like this season then Last year, weaker league, more budget, last full year's of the better players contracts. Yes, he would be doing better than MT. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 15, 2024 20:08:51 GMT 1
bit like this season then Last year, weaker league, more budget, last full year's of the better players contracts. Yes, he would be doing better than MT. Last year Taylor did better than hurst with the same squad |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 20:34:15 GMT 1
Steve Cotterill all day every day. Good lord this shouldn’t even be a serious question!
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 15, 2024 20:41:23 GMT 1
Steve Cotterill all day every day. Good lord this shouldn’t even be a serious question! SC has his faults but MT'S managerial record is sacked from Walsall after 36 games, sacked from Shrewsbury after 35 games and currently 1 win in 9 games in the national league. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 15, 2024 21:19:43 GMT 1
Steve Cotterill all day every day. Good lord this shouldn’t even be a serious question! none of cotterills close on 30 signings went on to play at a higher level than from where they were when he signed them cotterill himself found a job at the pit of league 2 where he led them into non league ;-) yesterday he blamed a stop start game for throwing away a 2 goal lead  too right this shouldn't be a serious question, what happens off the pitch can be more important than what happens on it or shall we start judging the likes of Mason Greenwood for what he does on the pitch and not off it, Joey Barton was a decent footballer and manager, must be a nice guy all round ;-) |
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 16, 2024 7:10:13 GMT 1
Last year, weaker league, more budget, last full year's of the better players contracts. Yes, he would be doing better than MT. Last year Taylor did better than hurst with the same squad Biggest issue with the squad last year was the fitness levels. They were probably the worst I have seen since following the town. Every single game you knew if you went behind 2nd half you might as well have gone home. That was down to MT's inexperience, treating the players like a priceless antique instead of putting them through there paces. Having them chase aimless hoof balls for 90 minutes before run back to a low block every game probably didn't do much for the cause either. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 16, 2024 7:12:00 GMT 1
Steve Cotterill all day every day. Good lord this shouldn’t even be a serious question! Depends on how you read the question. SC is clearly the better manager but if you ask town fans with a gun to their head who they would rather have at the club then its more debatable. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 16, 2024 7:57:12 GMT 1
Last year Taylor did better than hurst with the same squad Biggest issue with the squad last year was the fitness levels. They were probably the worst I have seen since following the town. Every single game you knew if you went behind 2nd half you might as well have gone home. That was down to MT's inexperience, treating the players like a priceless antique instead of putting them through there paces. Having them chase aimless hoof balls for 90 minutes before run back to a low block every game probably didn't do much for the cause either. Town 3 Reading 2 Not only were we 2-0 down at one point but we were still losing after 92 mins , and won 👍 |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 16, 2024 8:43:10 GMT 1
Steve Cotterill all day every day. Good lord this shouldn’t even be a serious question! Depends on how you read the question. SC is clearly the better manager but if you ask town fans with a gun to their head who they would rather have at the club then its more debatable. The reason why it would be debatable is for non-footballing reasons and unfortunately it's difficult to debate them because none of us know what went on. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 16, 2024 8:49:21 GMT 1
Depends on how you read the question. SC is clearly the better manager but if you ask town fans with a gun to their head who they would rather have at the club then its more debatable. The reason why it would be debatable is for non-footballing reasons and unfortunately it's difficult to debate them because none of us know what went on. We know we overspent, we also know we was 3/4 players short and as soon as we had injuries we struggled. A managers job is to build a squad capable of being competitive on the budget they are given (or they take), both failed to do that. SC had a much bigger budget. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 16, 2024 8:49:53 GMT 1
Biggest issue with the squad last year was the fitness levels. They were probably the worst I have seen since following the town. Every single game you knew if you went behind 2nd half you might as well have gone home. That was down to MT's inexperience, treating the players like a priceless antique instead of putting them through there paces. Having them chase aimless hoof balls for 90 minutes before run back to a low block every game probably didn't do much for the cause either. Town 3 Reading 2 Not only were we 2-0 down at one point but we were still losing after 92 mins , and won 👍 The exception rather than the rule. |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 16, 2024 8:58:40 GMT 1
The reason why it would be debatable is for non-footballing reasons and unfortunately it's difficult to debate them because none of us know what went on. We know we overspent, we also know we was 3/4 players short and as soon as we had injuries we struggled. A managers job is to build a squad capable of being competitive on the budget they are given (or they take), both failed to do that. SC had a much bigger budget. I was more thinking about the allegations of where the overspent went, how he treated people, how his relationship with the chairman broke down etc. Like I said, the non footballing reasons |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2024 9:01:00 GMT 1
Would also question how much of the unsustainable overspend was the managers fault given all his highly paid players have now departed and yet we allegedly still need cash injections to stay afloat.
Sounds like a broken business model to me.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 16, 2024 9:24:22 GMT 1
Would also question how much of the unsustainable overspend was the managers fault given all his highly paid players have now departed and yet we allegedly still need cash injections to stay afloat. Sounds like a broken business model to me. Football is a broken business model , that's why we had built up a rainy day fund , little did we realise cotterill arrived in the Adams family taxi with a thundercloud following it ⛈️ |
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Post by DiglisShrew on Sept 16, 2024 9:50:17 GMT 1
I do wonder why some posters start threads like this that are currently irrelevant and must know that will reopen divisions among the fans ?? I do like debate but all wasted when it’s clear some fans are set in their minds whatever .
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 16, 2024 9:56:01 GMT 1
Would also question how much of the unsustainable overspend was the managers fault given all his highly paid players have now departed and yet we allegedly still need cash injections to stay afloat. Sounds like a broken business model to me. Very good point. We've heard for 18 months how Cotterill & Caldwell ruined the club but thanks to the new model, we are now sustainable. But here we here, bringing in L2 players and still going over budget. |
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