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Sept 10, 2024 10:38:55 GMT 1
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Post by servernaside on Sept 10, 2024 10:38:55 GMT 1
Up to 5,500 prisoners are being released early by the government. Many of these are violent criminals including perpetrators of appalling domestic violence and likely to re-offend.
Never mind, as long as we hand down prison sentences of 9 years for setting fire to a wheelie bin, then I’m sure we can all sleep safely in our beds.
Welcome to the perverted world of Labour.
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Post by rob62 on Sept 10, 2024 10:49:21 GMT 1
The whole criminal justice system is a joke
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 10, 2024 15:52:11 GMT 1
Up to 5,500 prisoners are being released early by the government. Many of these are violent criminals including perpetrators of appalling domestic violence and likely to re-offend. Never mind, as long as we hand down prison sentences of 9 years for setting fire to a wheelie bin, then I’m sure we can all sleep safely in our beds. Welcome to the perverted world of Labour. The End of Custody Supervised Licence (allowing early release) was introduced in 2023 by Rishi. 9 years for setting fire to a wheelie bin, how about trying to burn down a hotel full of people? You make him sound like a poor unfortunate rioter😂 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 10, 2024 17:33:40 GMT 1
The fraud cases, the pilfering that doesn't include challenging anyone or breaking into someone's home,some of the careless/dangerous driving, the non payment of fines ones, the mentally ill, maybe should not even be in prison. There has to be alternatives.
As for the rioters, I suppose some would say that peaceful, if a damn nuiscance, oil protesters were "oversentenced". But using a wheelie bin to try to burn down a hotel full of people surely warrants nine years.
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Sept 10, 2024 22:06:20 GMT 1
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Post by servernaside on Sept 10, 2024 22:06:20 GMT 1
The fraud cases, the pilfering that doesn't include challenging anyone or breaking into someone's home,some of the careless/dangerous driving, the non payment of fines ones, the mentally ill, maybe should not even be in prison. There has to be alternatives. As for the rioters, I suppose some would say that peaceful, if a damn nuiscance, oil protesters were "oversentenced". But using a wheelie bin to try to burn down a hotel full of people surely warrants nine years. [b You’ve obviously never seen the video. Worse things happen at football matches. It’s pathetic. Stop trying to defend the indefensible. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 10, 2024 22:27:51 GMT 1
The fraud cases, the pilfering that doesn't include challenging anyone or breaking into someone's home,some of the careless/dangerous driving, the non payment of fines ones, the mentally ill, maybe should not even be in prison. There has to be alternatives. As for the rioters, I suppose some would say that peaceful, if a damn nuiscance, oil protesters were "oversentenced". But using a wheelie bin to try to burn down a hotel full of people surely warrants nine years. [b You’ve obviously never seen the video. Worse things happen at football matches. It’s pathetic. Stop trying to defend the indefensible. He'll be out in just over 3 and a half years. Squash 'em, hang 'em high, it certainly quelled the riots. Half baked morons will reconsider before doing anything like that in future. Peace restored. |
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Sept 11, 2024 13:03:31 GMT 1
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Post by servernaside on Sept 11, 2024 13:03:31 GMT 1
[b You’ve obviously never seen the video. Worse things happen at football matches. It’s pathetic. Stop trying to defend the indefensible. He'll be out in just over 3 and a half years. Squash 'em, hang 'em high, it certainly quelled the riots. Half baked morons will reconsider before doing anything like that in future. Peace restored. Perhaps the government should adopt similarly aggressive tactics towards football hooligans, drug dealers, etc. etc. etc. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 11, 2024 15:12:23 GMT 1
He'll be out in just over 3 and a half years. Squash 'em, hang 'em high, it certainly quelled the riots. Half baked morons will reconsider before doing anything like that in future. Peace restored. Perhaps the government should adopt similarly aggressive tactics towards football hooligans, drug dealers, etc. etc. etc. To a certain extent perhaps they already do. The Postmaster's sentences, fraud sentences, especially HMRC fraud, the perpetators usually have no previous convictions and lose their good name, their job, business, probably their home - Quite long jail sentences seem to be more of a deterrent to others than necessary to keep the public safe.
I've certainly no problems with an aggressive stance to crimes where there is a premeditated intention to hurt others, using a knife or selling drugs come into that category as does people heading up to join in a riot and chuck rocks at our emergency workers and threaten and try to harm anyone they take a dislike to.
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 11, 2024 17:01:00 GMT 1
He'll be out in just over 3 and a half years. Squash 'em, hang 'em high, it certainly quelled the riots. Half baked morons will reconsider before doing anything like that in future. Peace restored. Perhaps the government should adopt similarly aggressive tactics towards football hooligans, drug dealers, etc. etc. etc. Arson with the intention of endangering life, that’s how I saw it. What do you think he should be charge with, peaceful demonstration? |
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Post by servernaside on Sept 11, 2024 17:02:52 GMT 1
Perhaps the government should adopt similarly aggressive tactics towards football hooligans, drug dealers, etc. etc. etc. Arson with the intention of endangering life, that’s how I saw it. What do you think he should be charge with, peaceful demonstration? er.....'how about 'setting fire to wheelie bin' ? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 11, 2024 17:33:44 GMT 1
Arson with the intention of endangering life, that’s how I saw it. What do you think he should be charge with, peaceful demonstration? er.....'how about 'setting fire to wheelie bin' ? er.... how about setting fire to a wheelie bin in an environment where things were getting out of hand, threats to harm were being made. Setting fire to a wheelie bin down a quiet back alley might be a misdemeanor, setting fire to a wheelie bin in a highly charged riot situation is 9 years all day long. |
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Post by servernaside on Sept 12, 2024 12:17:20 GMT 1
The place was absolutely crawling with police. Setting fire to a wheelie bin in that environment is akin to letting off a pyro at a football match wherein the culprit could be charged with intent to endanger life on a massive scale.
Hang 'em high Adolf Starmer was having none of that, just surprised that he didn't introduce legislation to bring back the death penalty.....only to be applied of course to white, working class people.
Sieg heil.
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 12, 2024 12:48:08 GMT 1
The apparent difference in sentencing approach is, I accept, a thorny issue, and I wonder whether the clear decision to come down hard on the perpetrators will merely deal with symptoms rather than causes.
Furthermore, and with specific regard to those causes (at least as far as I see them) I admit to having a certain sympathy, with those who consider it foolish beyond belief to accept into our relatively settled and cohesive society, so many immigrants who come from culturally incompatible countries; leaving aside the social issues which anger the indigenous population (pressure on the NHS and numerous other publicly-funded services) there is also the possibility that internal feuding and enmities will arrive along with the immigrants. This is not part of a good recipe for a continuation of our largely settled and cohesive society.
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 12, 2024 15:18:29 GMT 1
The apparent difference in sentencing approach is, I accept, a thorny issue, and I wonder whether the clear decision to come down hard on the perpetrators will merely deal with symptoms rather than causes. Furthermore, and with specific regard to those causes (at least as far as I see them) I admit to having a certain sympathy, with those who consider it foolish beyond belief to accept into our relatively settled and cohesive society, so many immigrants who come from culturally incompatible countries; leaving aside the social issues which anger the indigenous population (pressure on the NHS and numerous other publicly-funded services) there is also the possibility that internal feuding and enmities will arrive along with the immigrants. This is not part of a good recipe for a continuation of our largely settled and cohesive society. Whats that got to do with racists rioting in Southport because they heard the perpetrator was a Muslim? chap from Newport went up specially to cause trouble? He’d already been given a 6 month sentence in 2023 for racially aggravated criminal damage smashing windows at the Lion. Or perhaps he’s a freedom fighter! Now within a couple of month of an orchestrated far right on line campaign Starmer’s the devil in disguise 🥸 Joined Facebook recently and the number of people with Lions draped in Union jacks spreading all sorts of rubbish has really surprised me especially those I know. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2ndkg1nmxo |
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Sept 12, 2024 15:46:47 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 12, 2024 15:46:47 GMT 1
The point is that, having a degree of sympathy with those who have similar concerns to myself, does indeed have a bearing on the wider issue, and I cannot fathom those who deny that possibility.
In passing, there is a danger that anyone who thinks as I do may be categorised as "extreme Right" or some such nomenclature of the moment, which horrifies me.
As for the thugs who went on the rampage, I have zero sympathy, and was equally horrified, and await the leaders of the extreme Right to be paraded before us soon and dealt with by our legal system.
Incidentally, one cannot be "racist" against a Muslim, as being Muslim is NOT a racial characteristic, as I'm sure you know.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 12, 2024 15:59:14 GMT 1
The apparent difference in sentencing approach is, I accept, a thorny issue, and I wonder whether the clear decision to come down hard on the perpetrators will merely deal with symptoms rather than causes. Furthermore, and with specific regard to those causes (at least as far as I see them) I admit to having a certain sympathy, with those who consider it foolish beyond belief to accept into our relatively settled and cohesive society, so many immigrants who come from culturally incompatible countries; leaving aside the social issues which anger the indigenous population (pressure on the NHS and numerous other publicly-funded services) there is also the possibility that internal feuding and enmities will arrive along with the immigrants. This is not part of a good recipe for a continuation of our largely settled and cohesive society. But we are not accepting them 'into our relatively settled and cohesive society'. We are getting boat loads of people dumped on us by out for a fast buck people traffickers.
They are then being housed in hotels because the Conservative government was overwhelmed with the numbers coming in, cut backs had left far too few people to deal with asylum seekers and try to return unsuccessful applicants. In addition, Brexit had made it almost impossible to return people to the EU.
The Conservative government came up with the barmy idea of sending people coming in on those boats to Rwanda, at great cost. I don't see how it would be a deterrent to desperate people making the perilous journey over the channel to know that if they didn't somehow manage to stay in the UK then the govermeent would set them up with a new, fully paid by the UK, safe life in Rwanda? |
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Sept 12, 2024 17:01:23 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 12, 2024 17:01:23 GMT 1
The apparent difference in sentencing approach is, I accept, a thorny issue, and I wonder whether the clear decision to come down hard on the perpetrators will merely deal with symptoms rather than causes. Furthermore, and with specific regard to those causes (at least as far as I see them) I admit to having a certain sympathy, with those who consider it foolish beyond belief to accept into our relatively settled and cohesive society, so many immigrants who come from culturally incompatible countries; leaving aside the social issues which anger the indigenous population (pressure on the NHS and numerous other publicly-funded services) there is also the possibility that internal feuding and enmities will arrive along with the immigrants. This is not part of a good recipe for a continuation of our largely settled and cohesive society. But we are not accepting them 'into our relatively settled and cohesive society'. We are getting boat loads of people dumped on us by out for a fast buck people traffickers.
They are then being housed in hotels because the Conservative government was overwhelmed with the numbers coming in, cut backs had left far too few people to deal with asylum seekers and try to return unsuccessful applicants. In addition, Brexit had made it almost impossible to return people to the EU.
The Conservative government came up with the barmy idea of sending people coming in on those boats to Rwanda, at great cost. I don't see how it would be a deterrent to desperate people making the perilous journey over the channel to know that if they didn't somehow manage to stay in the UK then the govermeent would set them up with a new, fully paid by the UK, safe life in Rwanda? First paragraph - agreed. Second paragraph - a bit disingenuous, at best, insofar as whatever the countries of origin, the sheer numbers (legal, illegal, genuine asylum-seekers with a reasonable chance of being accorded refugee status, or none of these) would probably have overwhelmed the system, whatever the party of Government.....it happened to be Conservative. Any check of those numbers over the last 10/20 years are revealing. Third paragraph - Brexit may not have had the effect you suggest, as the " dublin Agreement" which, as I understand it required signatories to agree that there was a notion of "the first safe country" to which illegal migrants could be returned; also - although I am prepared to be corrected - this was a separate issue from our EU membership. In any event, whether or not it was, is barely relevant except in strict legal terms - what IS relevant was the barely concealed desire on the part of the EU to punish the UK for daring to leave their club. Fourth paragraph - the Rwanda scheme barmy is also agreed....a barmy gimmick, although we may disagree on all the downsides. |
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