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Post by Pilch on Aug 30, 2024 15:50:18 GMT 1
My favorite quote I made up
Once a smoker , always a smoker 🔥💨🚬
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Post by armchairfan on Aug 30, 2024 17:35:22 GMT 1
Comrade Starmer is easily the worst PM this country has had and he’s not even been in power 6 months yet. From silencing free speech, cutting the winter fuel payment for the elderly, to rising taxes… and now taking even more enjoyment off people in the form of smoking not just in beer garden, but in publicly accessible places. I’m pretty sure that the 20% that did vote for him didn’t vote for communism. It won’t end well for the dictator. Yeah, that's sooooooo communist.  There won't be a funnier post this week, well done. Of course the post was funny, and not remotely accurate,in my judgement; I suggest, however, that there will be funnier posts this week, quite possibly from those voicing support for such a finger-wagging authoritarian move, yet who simultaneously call for the protection of our individual freedoms... |
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Post by mattmw on Aug 30, 2024 18:05:54 GMT 1
Bit of an aside from the specific debate about outdoor smoking, but I think we're very much still in what was known as "silly season" in politics where Parliament isn't sitting through the summer and the press have to work off speculation about what politicians are saying rather than actual legislation.
The new Labour Government has yet to pass any legislation or hold a budget, so really have done nothing so far to be realistically judged on, and anyone judging the Government after a few weeks should (using the phrase of the day) "give their head a wobble". I've worked with politicians for a long time and any new administration always has this early period of chatter about what they might do, but what comes out of the legislative process is often very different.
Any new legislation they introduce will no doubt go through the green and white paper stage of consultations, debate in the Commons and the Lords and the Committee stages, so often comes out very different at the end of the process, and I suspect the outside smoking issue is more likely to be looked at as a wider set of public health measures to reduce premature deaths - of which smoking is a very significant contributor. Outside smoking is really a symptom of the smoking issue but unlikely to be the solution.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 30, 2024 22:16:45 GMT 1
A pub that goes out of business because of an outdoor smoking ban was always going out of business anyway. And hospitals are places where sick people go for treatment, so a smoking ban there is long overdue. And people that smoke get injured or ill and require hospital treatment. Are they supposed to just quit when they get to hospital? Yes, temporarily at least. Alcoholics and junkies get ill and injured too but they're not allowed to continue their consumption in hospital. Do you think they should be allowed to smoke in the building? |
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Post by callum on Aug 30, 2024 23:08:27 GMT 1
It always amazes me the amount of nurses you see outside hospitals smoking. You would assume they should know better.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 30, 2024 23:12:06 GMT 1
It always amazes me the amount of nurses you see outside hospitals smoking. You would assume they should know better. I used to deliver to the doctors quarters , I found a bag with recreations drugs in it near one door |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 31, 2024 7:56:21 GMT 1
It always amazes me the amount of nurses you see outside hospitals smoking. You would assume they should know better. And there are a large number who are seriously overweight too |
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Post by WATR on Aug 31, 2024 9:12:12 GMT 1
I’d personally much rather see an outright ban on indoor vaping. Went in a few pubs after the last Town game and they absolutely stunk of stale candy floss and nicotine.
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 31, 2024 9:22:29 GMT 1
I’d personally much rather see an outright ban on indoor vaping. Went in a few pubs after the last Town game and they absolutely stunk of stale candy floss and nicotine. Similar to what I said already about vaping, the inconsideration of those having a subtle (and not always subtle) vape either indoors at a pub or inside a football ground, is pretty disgusting and says a lot about that person. It should be looked on in the same way as if somebody lit a cigarette inside a pub |
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Post by WATR on Aug 31, 2024 10:39:41 GMT 1
I’d personally much rather see an outright ban on indoor vaping. Went in a few pubs after the last Town game and they absolutely stunk of stale candy floss and nicotine. Similar to what I said already about vaping, the inconsideration of those having a subtle (and not always subtle) vape either indoors at a pub or inside a football ground, is pretty disgusting and says a lot about that person. It should be looked on in the same way as if somebody lit a cigarette inside a pub Being generous I’d say vapers are so used to the smell that they don’t realise how disgusting it is to non-vapers. Not that it makes it any more pleasant / acceptable. |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 31, 2024 11:42:09 GMT 1
George Orwell was right.
The Thought Police and Big Brother are here.
He just got the date wrong.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 31, 2024 11:57:18 GMT 1
George Orwell was right. The Thought Police and Big Brother are here. He just got the date wrong.  |
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Post by rob62 on Aug 31, 2024 12:00:48 GMT 1
Totally unenforceable.
People will either stand in the street and smoke or find a quiet corner in the pub, which of course will produce worse health outcomes
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Post by armchairfan on Aug 31, 2024 16:16:54 GMT 1
Irrespective of whether or not this proposed law is enforceable or not, this sort of thing - at best "nanny-statism" or, much worse, simply authoritarianism at its most basic - has its origins in two absurd beliefs, firstly that all perceived weaknesses in society can be solved by the imposition of ever more regulation, and secondly that these resultant regulations will meet with EVERYONE'S approval; those who adhere to this abject nonsense have no understanding of perfectly normal human behaviour: in short, they are fools.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 31, 2024 17:17:43 GMT 1
I hate smoking but I can't help but think this is taking it too far.
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Post by essofsteel on Sept 3, 2024 17:14:56 GMT 1
The thing is that smokers have a choice.
To light up and pollute the air for other pub goers or not. Non smokers must not visit the pub if they don't want to risk inhaling the smoke. No choice. Is that fair?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2024 6:55:15 GMT 1
The thing is that smokers have a choice. To light up and pollute the air for other pub goers or not. Non smokers must not visit the pub if they don't want to risk inhaling the smoke. No choice. Is that fair? Starting smoking was for nearly every smoker a choice they made, in most cases many years ago, but to suggest that smoking is a choice is disingenuous at best. Tobacco, due to the nicotine is an addictive substance. Most smokers have tried many times to give up, but it's not quite as easy as you seem to be suggesting.
Smokers have seen the places that they can spark up cut back massively over the years. Cinemas, buses, trains, planes, restaurants, pubs, in fact just about every indoor space apart from their own home and a great deal of smokers don't even smoke inside their house anymore. Now you want to restrict every outside space where there might be non-smokers too? Just to add that smokers have accepted all of these new restrictions and still kept going out, keeping these pubs and restaurants in business.
How many people do you see using the beer gardens at pubs in the middle of January or in the pi**ing down rain or when it's blowing a gale? But the smokers are using it 365 days a year and then going back into that pub to buy a drink or several. How many pubs rely on these smokers for the 300+ days a year when the beer garden isn't an option for most people? Are there really enough people going to start going down the pub on a rainy, freezing cold Wednesday to replace the smokers that will just stop going completely? I doubt it. Those smokers are often at that pub 3 or more times a week. That is not a number that most pubs can afford to lose.
If you walk into a pub past the smokers huddling near the entrance the vast majority of them will not be blowing smoke in your face and will make a conscious effort to keep the cigarette out of the way. At worst you would be exposed to cigarette smoke for a couple of seconds. At worst. If on the other hand you were to walk past them saying 'Ooh get that cancer stick away from me' or similar I can guarantee that they wouldn't show you the same level of respect.
240 UK pubs shut their doors in the first 3 months of this year. If that trend were to continue we'd lose a minimum of 800 pubs across the UK this year. If even 30% of smokers decided to call it a day on going to the pub that would be quite a big hit alone to the already struggling hospitality industry, but many of those smokers go with non-smoking friends and family, who would perhaps join them in not going and that would be a massive blow.
How many people over the years have you heard complaining about their local closing down? In cities and large towns there are usually plenty of other choices so it's not a disaster. Not so much in villages and small towns, where a pub is central to the local community.
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Post by kenwood on Sept 4, 2024 9:37:41 GMT 1
I used to smoke .
That’s putting it mildly , I could smoke for England I was so good at it .
I don’t now , I stopped because of health issues , in 2019.
I have Graves Disease, which means my thyroid is over active for which I take tablets to regulate it. It has also meant my eyesight is not great so my glasses have prisms in the lenses to correct my vision . Without them I would be seeing double .
During the past 8 months I have been diagnosed with Oesophageal cancer and have been attending Stoke University Hospital for treatment . I have had cancerous cells removed by endoscopy and am due to visit Stoke again on Friday for more treatment . Hopefully an endoscopy will confirm that things are o k and that I will need regular reviews to keep a check on things. I hate endoscopy’s but have to put up with them .
All the above I am convinced were the result of smoking .
Because of what I have experienced I am vehemently anti smoking - I don’t want anyone to have to go through what I have done . It’s not just the physical side of illnesses , it is the mental effect , the worry and constant fear that things may get worse .
Despite everything I feel good but others are not so fortunate.
Smoking may result not only in cancer but in diseases of the respiratory system which become more apparent as you get older.
The smoke from cigarettes can cause serious damage , we all know this yet still we come up with excuses and argue that stopping people smoking in outside areas of pubs/ restaurants etc impinges on their rights .
Hmm , well I suppose those who don’t smoke don’t have the right to experience clean air . Remember smoke permeates into clothes, into fabrics and can be passed on to others . Think of smoke on clothes passed on to children in confined spaces such as cars.
Sorry to go on and I’m sure there will be many with counter arguments .
I just don’t want to see people end up seriously damaged , unable to enjoy life because of the effects of inhaling cigarette smoke .
Us ex smokers are always the worst and I admit I really enjoyed a cigarette , I loved smoking but I love living a healthier life more.
If you smoke think about stopping .
It’s hard and I see myself not as an ex smoker but as a smoker who doesn’t smoke if that makes sense .
Sorry to preach but this is just my take on a serious subject .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2024 11:47:54 GMT 1
I used to smoke . That’s putting it mildly , I could smoke for England I was so good at it . I don’t now , I stopped because of health issues , in 2019. I have Graves Disease, which means my thyroid is over active for which I take tablets to regulate it. It has also meant my eyesight is not great so my glasses have prisms in the lenses to correct my vision . Without them I would be seeing double . During the past 8 months I have been diagnosed with Oesophageal cancer and have been attending Stoke University Hospital for treatment . I have had cancerous cells removed by endoscopy and am due to visit Stoke again on Friday for more treatment . Hopefully an endoscopy will confirm that things are o k and that I will need regular reviews to keep a check on things. I hate endoscopy’s but have to put up with them . All the above I am convinced were the result of smoking . Because of what I have experienced I am vehemently anti smoking - I don’t want anyone to have to go through what I have done . It’s not just the physical side of illnesses , it is the mental effect , the worry and constant fear that things may get worse . Despite everything I feel good but others are not so fortunate. Smoking may result not only in cancer but in diseases of the respiratory system which become more apparent as you get older. The smoke from cigarettes can cause serious damage , we all know this yet still we come up with excuses and argue that stopping people smoking in outside areas of pubs/ restaurants etc impinges on their rights . Hmm , well I suppose those who don’t smoke don’t have the right to experience clean air . Remember smoke permeates into clothes, into fabrics and can be passed on to others . Think of smoke on clothes passed on to children in confined spaces such as cars. Sorry to go on and I’m sure there will be many with counter arguments . I just don’t want to see people end up seriously damaged , unable to enjoy life because of the effects of inhaling cigarette smoke . Us ex smokers are always the worst and I admit I really enjoyed a cigarette , I loved smoking but I love living a healthier life more. If you smoke think about stopping . It’s hard and I see myself not as an ex smoker but as a smoker who doesn’t smoke if that makes sense . Sorry to preach but this is just my take on a serious subject . My daughter has never smoked. She has Graves Disease. A friend of mine had bowel cancer. He never smoked. My sister in law has numerous health conditions. She has never smoked. I have smoked for over 40 years and apart from an enlarged prostate and a bit of arthritis in one of my knees (coincidentally the same one I smashed into a lamppost when I was 17) I am in reasonably good health for a 59 year old. I managed to walk 26 miles over the peak district for charity last year and would have again this year if my knee had allowed me. It was some of the hills that day that convinced me that I need to give up smoking, but I still managed them better than many non-smokers half my age. Blaming every ailment on smoking is ridiculous IMO. |
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Post by kenwood on Sept 4, 2024 15:24:16 GMT 1
Let me just say I am not blaming every illness on smoking ! That would be ridiculous .
What I am saying is that smoking doesn’t help people live a healthy life .
Of course there is the argument put up by those who think it isn’t as harmful as people make out and reference Winston Churchill who loved his spirits and whisky and lived to a ripe old age.
On the other hand some people aren’t so lucky and spend there last days on oxygen fighting for breath .
I knew all this when I smoked but thought I’m fit it’s not going to happen to me .
Im 74 and love hill walking and hope to be able to continue to do so.
There is evidence out there which strongly puts smoking as the number 1 cause of some cancers .
What I’m saying to those who smoke to think about the harm it’s doing to them and quote myself as an example - that’s all .
I am vehemently against smoking in certain areas because of the harm it can do to others .
That’s all , if some find my attitude to smoking over the top so be it .
I’m just putting forward my point of view in the hope others agree and stop the habit .👍
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Post by Pilch on Sept 4, 2024 15:27:57 GMT 1
I used to smoke . That’s putting it mildly , I could smoke for England I was so good at it . I don’t now , I stopped because of health issues , in 2019. I have Graves Disease, which means my thyroid is over active for which I take tablets to regulate it. It has also meant my eyesight is not great so my glasses have prisms in the lenses to correct my vision . Without them I would be seeing double . During the past 8 months I have been diagnosed with Oesophageal cancer and have been attending Stoke University Hospital for treatment . I have had cancerous cells removed by endoscopy and am due to visit Stoke again on Friday for more treatment . Hopefully an endoscopy will confirm that things are o k and that I will need regular reviews to keep a check on things. I hate endoscopy’s but have to put up with them . All the above I am convinced were the result of smoking . Because of what I have experienced I am vehemently anti smoking - I don’t want anyone to have to go through what I have done . It’s not just the physical side of illnesses , it is the mental effect , the worry and constant fear that things may get worse . Despite everything I feel good but others are not so fortunate. Smoking may result not only in cancer but in diseases of the respiratory system which become more apparent as you get older. The smoke from cigarettes can cause serious damage , we all know this yet still we come up with excuses and argue that stopping people smoking in outside areas of pubs/ restaurants etc impinges on their rights . Hmm , well I suppose those who don’t smoke don’t have the right to experience clean air . Remember smoke permeates into clothes, into fabrics and can be passed on to others . Think of smoke on clothes passed on to children in confined spaces such as cars. Sorry to go on and I’m sure there will be many with counter arguments . I just don’t want to see people end up seriously damaged , unable to enjoy life because of the effects of inhaling cigarette smoke . Us ex smokers are always the worst and I admit I really enjoyed a cigarette , I loved smoking but I love living a healthier life more. If you smoke think about stopping . It’s hard and I see myself not as an ex smoker but as a smoker who doesn’t smoke if that makes sense . Sorry to preach but this is just my take on a serious subject . My daughter has never smoked. She has Graves Disease. A friend of mine had bowel cancer. He never smoked. My sister in law has numerous health conditions. She has never smoked. I have smoked for over 40 years and apart from an enlarged prostate and a bit of arthritis in one of my knees (coincidentally the same one I smashed into a lamppost when I was 17) I am in reasonably good health for a 59 year old. I managed to walk 26 miles over the peak district for charity last year and would have again this year if my knee had allowed me. It was some of the hills that day that convinced me that I need to give up smoking, but I still managed them better than many non-smokers half my age. Blaming every ailment on smoking is ridiculous IMO. many of us ingest things that are not good for us but at least these days we all know smoking is a game of Russian roulette |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2024 15:56:36 GMT 1
Let me just say I am not blaming every illness on smoking ! That would be ridiculous . What I am saying is that smoking doesn’t help people live a healthy life . Of course there is the argument put up by those who think it isn’t as harmful as people make out and reference Winston Churchill who loved his spirits and whisky and lived to a ripe old age. On the other hand some people aren’t so lucky and spend there last days on oxygen fighting for breath . I knew all this when I smoked but thought I’m fit it’s not going to happen to me . Im 74 and love hill walking and hope to be able to continue to do so. There is evidence out there which strongly puts smoking as the number 1 cause of some cancers . What I’m saying to those who smoke to think about the harm it’s doing to them and quote myself as an example - that’s all . I am vehemently against smoking in certain areas because of the harm it can do to others . That’s all , if some find my attitude to smoking over the top so be it . I’m just putting forward my point of view in the hope others agree and stop the habit .👍 "All of the above I am convinced are the result of smoking". |
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Post by hectord0g137 on Sept 4, 2024 17:01:07 GMT 1
I am an ex smoker so the worst person to criticise those that do. I do believe that the restrictions now in place are fare. I just wonder what people go without so they can afford to smoke
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Post by kenwood on Sept 4, 2024 17:27:31 GMT 1
Let me just say I am not blaming every illness on smoking ! That would be ridiculous . What I am saying is that smoking doesn’t help people live a healthy life . Of course there is the argument put up by those who think it isn’t as harmful as people make out and reference Winston Churchill who loved his spirits and whisky and lived to a ripe old age. On the other hand some people aren’t so lucky and spend there last days on oxygen fighting for breath . I knew all this when I smoked but thought I’m fit it’s not going to happen to me . Im 74 and love hill walking and hope to be able to continue to do so. There is evidence out there which strongly puts smoking as the number 1 cause of some cancers . What I’m saying to those who smoke to think about the harm it’s doing to them and quote myself as an example - that’s all . I am vehemently against smoking in certain areas because of the harm it can do to others . That’s all , if some find my attitude to smoking over the top so be it . I’m just putting forward my point of view in the hope others agree and stop the habit .👍 "All of the above I am convinced are the result of smoking". Yes , that’s right . I am of the opinion that MY illnesses are the result of my smoking. .From what you say no doubt smoking isn’t the cause of your daughters Graves’ disease . |
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Post by servernaside on Sept 4, 2024 18:05:37 GMT 1
I've never smoked but this seems ridiculous to me. I know the argument is about people's health and how much smokers cost the NHS but based on that why don't we ban alcohol or fast food? [b Or people being fat and lazy perhaps. |
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Post by kenwood on Sept 4, 2024 18:19:30 GMT 1
I've never smoked but this seems ridiculous to me. I know the argument is about people's health and how much smokers cost the NHS but based on that why don't we ban alcohol or fast food? [b Or people being fat and lazy perhaps. 😂😂😂😂 I like this , it makes me laugh . How on earth can you ban people for being lazy ?😂 Ban them from what , the Sleep Shop. Perhaps overweight people can be banned from all fish and chip shops and fast food outlets and prevented from buying certain foods. This way to the salad bar . I know you’re not being serious ? It did make me chuckle . |
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Sept 5, 2024 21:18:03 GMT 1
It's a bit tight if you can't have a fag outside while minding your own business.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Sept 6, 2024 8:27:10 GMT 1
It always amazes me the amount of nurses you see outside hospitals smoking. You would assume they should know better. I used to deliver to the doctors quarters , I found a bag with recreations drugs in it near one door What were you doing rifling through bags chap.... |
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 6, 2024 8:43:54 GMT 1
[b Or people being fat and lazy perhaps. 😂😂😂😂 I like this , it makes me laugh . How on earth can you ban people for being lazy ?😂 Ban them from what , the Sleep Shop. Perhaps overweight people can be banned from all fish and chip shops and fast food outlets and prevented from buying certain foods. This way to the salad bar . I know you’re not being serious ? It did make me chuckle . I think he is, being fat or lazy are lifestyle choices that affect health and life expectancy a bit like smoking and drinking. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 6, 2024 8:52:42 GMT 1
I used to deliver to the doctors quarters , I found a bag with recreations drugs in it near one door What were you doing rifling through bags chap.... lol It was actually a pretty coloured pill shaped like a rocket , it did have whatever it was stamped on it LSD I think but can't remember , I handed it in at lost property stating where I'd found it 🥳 Attachments:
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