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Post by northwestman on Aug 25, 2024 20:27:52 GMT 1
I've never been a fan of these, especially the ones in May, June and August.
We have 8 Bank Holidays in the UK. I can see the argument for Xmas Day and possibly Boxing Day, but couldn't the rest be abandoned and an extra week's holiday be added to all employees existing holiday entitlement by way of a Statutory Instrument passed by the Government?
I've abandoned all thoughts of taking to the roads until Tuesday.
But today even a trip to my local was marred by amateur drinkers cluttering up what would normally be a reasonably pleasant experience. I waited until early evening to pay a visit as I feared that those wanting to watch the Liverpool game would be cluttering up the bar. But even turning up after that game had finished was to no avail, as I assume these people have no work to go to tomorrow. To add insult to injury, for some reason they'd removed the bar stools.
This sort of chaos is why I've never ventured out on New Year's Eve for a number of years.
As for the Bank Holidays over the Easter weekend, I'm no fan of Garden Centres, but they aren't allowed to open on Easter Sunday losing them significant amounts of money.
Most of the population being off on the same days does not seem to me to be the best way of operating. Bank holidays were first introduced by the Bank Holidays Act of 1871, but are surely now an anachronism.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2024 20:34:32 GMT 1
It’ll be occasions like bank holidays that contribute to you still having a local to have a quiet pint in.
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Aug 25, 2024 21:25:08 GMT 1
I've never been a fan of these, especially the ones in May, June and August. We have 8 Bank Holidays in the UK. I can see the argument for Xmas Day and possibly Boxing Day, but couldn't the rest be abandoned and an extra week's holiday be added to all employees existing holiday entitlement by way of a Statutory Instrument passed by the Government? I've abandoned all thoughts of taking to the roads until Tuesday. But today even a trip to my local was marred by amateur drinkers cluttering up what would normally be a reasonably pleasant experience. I waited until early evening to pay a visit as I feared that those wanting to watch the Liverpool game would be cluttering up the bar. But even turning up after that game had finished was to no avail, as I assume these people have no work to go to tomorrow. To add insult to injury, for some reason they'd removed the bar stools. This sort of chaos is why I've never ventured out on New Year's Eve for a number of years. As for the Bank Holidays over the Easter weekend, I'm no fan of Garden Centres, but they aren't allowed to open on Easter Sunday losing them significant amounts of money. Most of the population being off on the same days does not seem to me to be the best way of operating. Bank holidays were first introduced by the Bank Holidays Act of 1871, but are surely now an anachronism. It’s funny I’ve just had the exact conversation with my partner, raising the exact same points as above. Xmas day, Boxing Day, NYD & Easter scrap the rest |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 25, 2024 21:30:37 GMT 1
not enough for my liking , 365 days a year would do me 👍
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2024 21:31:42 GMT 1
I'll go the opposite direction, we need more and I believe we have one of the fewest amounts of public holidays off in the world. Although it's noticeable that the mandatory non working is slowly phasing out, my work place allow people to choose to work and then take the day off another time when it suits them.
As Feedo alluded, a bank holiday weekend is a godsend for hospitality, particularly with pubs, they bring in a lot of trade. Always plenty of pub fun/music events going on.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Aug 25, 2024 22:06:59 GMT 1
They're nice treats for those who usually work throughout the year to get a long weekend and a chance to watch a load of Carry on films on ITV 3.
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Post by IcelandicExile on Aug 26, 2024 9:53:19 GMT 1
We have 14 of them here in Iceland including the usuals Xmas, NYE, NYD etc, but with an extra one thrown in for Maundy Thursday as well as some other slightly random ones. No complaints about the extra ones from me.
They're rather strict about making sure you get your time off here, but if you do end up having to work like those in the tourism sector its mandatory double pay, triple pay if the holiday falls on a weekend!
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Post by rickyspanish on Aug 26, 2024 10:30:14 GMT 1
We have 12 here in Sweden, so 4 more than England & Wales, but Bank Holidays never move.
So for example if May 1st is a Saturday or Sunday you lose that Bank Holiday for the year.
So a Bank Holiday can quite often be on a random Tuesday or Thursday, and the day before or after it is referred to as a "squeeze day" and many people will book a holiday for that day to extend the overall break to 4 days.
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 26, 2024 11:02:25 GMT 1
As a teacher I think it would be much better to have two of the bank holidays around October-November time just to break the really long Autumn term up more. I'd rather lose on or two in the first half of the year in exchange for two in the second half.
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 26, 2024 11:09:05 GMT 1
As a teacher I think it would be much better to have two of the bank holidays around October-November time just to break the really long Autumn term up more. I'd rather lose on or two in the first half of the year in exchange for two in the second half. As a teacher you have no right to comment about time off  |
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Post by jontifree on Aug 26, 2024 11:29:14 GMT 1
As someone who works every Bank Holiday they just bore me. It's like a Sunday (I work those too) but with no football to listen to.
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 26, 2024 11:45:39 GMT 1
As a teacher I think it would be much better to have two of the bank holidays around October-November time just to break the really long Autumn term up more. I'd rather lose on or two in the first half of the year in exchange for two in the second half. As a teacher you have no right to comment about time off If it’s so easy and we get too much holiday you are welcome to join the profession. I’ll even let you shadow me for a week in school. We’ve got a recruitment crisis where we can’t get anyone to train and teachers are leaving in droves for a better work life balance. People who’ve never taught believe all sorts of tropes that aren’t true. 8 weeks into the Autumn term it becomes very intense and the only people who really understand are teachers. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 26, 2024 11:59:38 GMT 1
As a teacher you have no right to comment about time off If it’s so easy and we get too much holiday you are welcome to join the profession. I’ll even let you shadow me for a week in school. We’ve got a recruitment crisis where we can’t get anyone to train and teachers are leaving in droves for a better work life balance. People who’ve never taught believe all sorts of tropes that aren’t true. 8 weeks into the Autumn term it becomes very intense and the only people who really understand are teachers. sounds like you haven't moved with the times, maybe you should start working Saturdays to catch up, and instead of having extra days attached to bank holidays, work them instead ;-) |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 26, 2024 13:25:52 GMT 1
As a teacher you have no right to comment about time off If it’s so easy and we get too much holiday you are welcome to join the profession. I’ll even let you shadow me for a week in school. We’ve got a recruitment crisis where we can’t get anyone to train and teachers are leaving in droves for a better work life balance. People who’ve never taught believe all sorts of tropes that aren’t true. 8 weeks into the Autumn term it becomes very intense and the only people who really understand are teachers. My nephew is a teacher he spends the bulk of the summer holidays, either marking, doing sone sort of evaluations and preparing for the next term. I have friends. Who are teachers,it is a thankless Profession ,unlike in Finland were teachers are respected As for bank holidays Keep good Friday, Easter Monday, Christmas day, boxing day and new year's day. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2024 14:09:47 GMT 1
As someone who works every Bank Holiday they just bore me. It's like a Sunday (I work those too) but with no football to listen to. And only the National League and lower Leagues are playing on Bank Holiday Monday. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 26, 2024 14:34:46 GMT 1
If it’s so easy and we get too much holiday you are welcome to join the profession. I’ll even let you shadow me for a week in school. We’ve got a recruitment crisis where we can’t get anyone to train and teachers are leaving in droves for a better work life balance. People who’ve never taught believe all sorts of tropes that aren’t true. 8 weeks into the Autumn term it becomes very intense and the only people who really understand are teachers. My nephew is a teacher he spends the bulk of the summer holidays, either marking, doing sone sort of evaluations and preparing for the next term. I have friends. Who are teachers,it is a thankless Profession ,unlike in Finland were teachers are respected As for bank holidays Keep good Friday, Easter Monday, Christmas day, boxing day and new year's day. I've never bought into this 'spends most of the summer marking' myth I cant ever remember getting homework at the end of term before the summer holidays, especially considering you were in a new year when you came back as for exams or mocks, I mean really, im sure the exam board hire and pay for people to mark these I might be wrong , maybe someone can enlighten me |
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Aug 26, 2024 15:00:39 GMT 1
You are very wrong Pilch, my older daughter was a teacher and brought her work with her when we had our family summer holidays in France. She left the profession in her early 40’s partly worn down by government incompetence and the ignorance of parents.
One of our granddaughters started teaching last year and says she will give it 5 years maximum.
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 26, 2024 16:02:16 GMT 1
Teaching is an awful job nowadays so full and total respect to anybody doing it. They have absolutely no power, no authority, and all in the face of an ever more unruly set of youths (don’t think lockdowns helped the younger generations but that’s another story…)
Anyway, bank holidays
I liked it when the May bank holiday moved to the Thursday for the Queen’s jubilee in 2022, a 4 day weekend.
St George’s day should also be a bank holiday and promoted and celebrated like the Irish do. This would boost the hospitality trade
Should then pick a couple more, bit of a joke how few we get
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 26, 2024 16:17:36 GMT 1
My nephew is a teacher he spends the bulk of the summer holidays, either marking, doing sone sort of evaluations and preparing for the next term. I have friends. Who are teachers,it is a thankless Profession ,unlike in Finland were teachers are respected As for bank holidays Keep good Friday, Easter Monday, Christmas day, boxing day and new year's day. I've never bought into this 'spends most of the summer marking' myth I cant ever remember getting homework at the end of term before the summer holidays, especially considering you were in a new year when you came back as for exams or mocks, I mean really, im sure the exam board hire and pay for people to mark these I might be wrong , maybe someone can enlighten me Sums up the level of ill informed opinion from people who think that because they attended a school they know exactly what happens. There’s a whole curtain and structure behind you never see. Put it like this. A standard school day for staff is around 8-4pm every day if you factor in directed time meetings and average them across the year (ie parents evenings, training etc, which can go on to around 8pm some days). Doesn’t seem to bad right? A nice 9-5 generally. So let’s factor on top this. As a teacher we are performing (teaching) around 30 children 20 hours a week, with an addition 2 hours being directed time for cover for those staff members absent. So really it’s 22 hours. Those hours are teaching a class, managing behaviour, teaching content, checking content. In other words there is no hiding place for you to have a quiet moment or time to work as you are constantly performing. Plus you have the form notices, safeguarding checks in a morning, logging, reporting, data tracking, implementation of strategy, parental engagement. So yeah that’s my 9-5. Oh except for the fact if you crunched the numbers that means we only have two hours to plan lessons a week and to do our marking, known as PPA. As an experienced teacher it takes me roughly on average 45 mins to create a lesson from scratch with an additional 15 minutes reviewing and ensuring everything is tweaked, but new staff trained will take around 2 hours when doing a PGCE. I teach in a sixth form secondary so I have two additional years on top to plan for, oh and that’s three subjects I teach at sixth form level, not just one. So let’s be generous and say that it’s a standard secondary school. Year 7-11 so 5 years of ages with two lessons a week for each. That’s 10 hours a week for creating lessons. I teach roughly 10 groups a week too in terms of one group over two hours. Most schools will expect one piece of marking every three weeks or so that’s formally assessed. Now if we talk about official assessments and a piece of work, 30 kids in a class, 3 minutes per piece to mark? That’s 90 minutes per class on top but I’d say for my GCSE groups an exam paper fully completed will take me two hours to mark per class. 90 minutes for ten classes adds on 900 minutes a day. So thats 15 hours, divided by three for each week meaning another 5 hours on top. Let’s factor in report writing too and data entry and add on top another 2 hours a week for year reports which we do twice a year and have to be individual. 17 hours additional labour per week minus off the two we have for PPA is 15 hours of additional work per week to do outside of the “9-5” we are contracted to do. Oh I didn’t add lunch duties, morning and after school duties, break duties, printing time, prep time, book marking, meetings with staff members, having to write statements for local authorities over concerns over kids, organising school trips, taking kids on trips and residentials over the weekend which we aren’t paid for either. Most teachers also have lives over the weekends and children to support so is it any wonder most of this extra work gets pushed into the holidays? This is exactly why we are bleeding good staff and can’t recruit people to go into the profession. But yeah sure your theory checks out. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 26, 2024 16:37:15 GMT 1
I've never bought into this 'spends most of the summer marking' myth I cant ever remember getting homework at the end of term before the summer holidays, especially considering you were in a new year when you came back as for exams or mocks, I mean really, im sure the exam board hire and pay for people to mark these I might be wrong , maybe someone can enlighten me Sums up the level of ill informed opinion from people who think that because they attended a school they know exactly what happens. There’s a whole curtain and structure behind you never see. Put it like this. A standard school day for staff is around 8-4pm every day if you factor in directed time meetings and average them across the year (ie parents evenings, training etc, which can go on to around 8pm some days). Doesn’t seem to bad right? A nice 9-5 generally. So let’s factor on top this. As a teacher we are performing (teaching) around 30 children 20 hours a week, with an addition 2 hours being directed time for cover for those staff members absent. So really it’s 22 hours. Those hours are teaching a class, managing behaviour, teaching content, checking content. In other words there is no hiding place for you to have a quiet moment or time to work as you are constantly performing. Plus you have the form notices, safeguarding checks in a morning, logging, reporting, data tracking, implementation of strategy, parental engagement. So yeah that’s my 9-5. Oh except for the fact if you crunched the numbers that means we only have two hours to plan lessons a week and to do our marking, known as PPA. As an experienced teacher it takes me roughly on average 45 mins to create a lesson from scratch with an additional 15 minutes reviewing and ensuring everything is tweaked, but new staff trained will take around 2 hours when doing a PGCE. I teach in a sixth form secondary so I have two additional years on top to plan for, oh and that’s three subjects I teach at sixth form level, not just one. So let’s be generous and say that it’s a standard secondary school. Year 7-11 so 5 years of ages with two lessons a week for each. That’s 10 hours a week for creating lessons. I teach roughly 10 groups a week too in terms of one group over two hours. Most schools will expect one piece of marking every three weeks or so that’s formally assessed. Now if we talk about official assessments and a piece of work, 30 kids in a class, 3 minutes per piece to mark? That’s 90 minutes per class on top but I’d say for my GCSE groups an exam paper fully completed will take me two hours to mark per class. 90 minutes for ten classes adds on 900 minutes a day. So thats 15 hours, divided by three for each week meaning another 5 hours on top. Let’s factor in report writing too and data entry and add on top another 2 hours a week for year reports which we do twice a year and have to be individual. 17 hours additional labour per week minus off the two we have for PPA is 15 hours of additional work per week to do outside of the “9-5” we are contracted to do. Oh I didn’t add lunch duties, morning and after school duties, break duties, printing time, prep time, book marking, meetings with staff members, having to write statements for local authorities over concerns over kids, organising school trips, taking kids on trips and residentials over the weekend which we aren’t paid for either. Most teachers also have lives over the weekends and children to support so is it any wonder most of this extra work gets pushed into the holidays? This is exactly why we are bleeding good staff and can’t recruit people to go into the profession. But yeah sure your theory checks out. heres a little advice, always read the question before writing an essay on the wrong subject , I asked about the marking of exams in the summer, not your life history ;-)
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Aug 26, 2024 16:55:27 GMT 1
Sums up the level of ill informed opinion from people who think that because they attended a school they know exactly what happens. There’s a whole curtain and structure behind you never see. Put it like this. A standard school day for staff is around 8-4pm every day if you factor in directed time meetings and average them across the year (ie parents evenings, training etc, which can go on to around 8pm some days). Doesn’t seem to bad right? A nice 9-5 generally. So let’s factor on top this. As a teacher we are performing (teaching) around 30 children 20 hours a week, with an addition 2 hours being directed time for cover for those staff members absent. So really it’s 22 hours. Those hours are teaching a class, managing behaviour, teaching content, checking content. In other words there is no hiding place for you to have a quiet moment or time to work as you are constantly performing. Plus you have the form notices, safeguarding checks in a morning, logging, reporting, data tracking, implementation of strategy, parental engagement. So yeah that’s my 9-5. Oh except for the fact if you crunched the numbers that means we only have two hours to plan lessons a week and to do our marking, known as PPA. As an experienced teacher it takes me roughly on average 45 mins to create a lesson from scratch with an additional 15 minutes reviewing and ensuring everything is tweaked, but new staff trained will take around 2 hours when doing a PGCE. I teach in a sixth form secondary so I have two additional years on top to plan for, oh and that’s three subjects I teach at sixth form level, not just one. So let’s be generous and say that it’s a standard secondary school. Year 7-11 so 5 years of ages with two lessons a week for each. That’s 10 hours a week for creating lessons. I teach roughly 10 groups a week too in terms of one group over two hours. Most schools will expect one piece of marking every three weeks or so that’s formally assessed. Now if we talk about official assessments and a piece of work, 30 kids in a class, 3 minutes per piece to mark? That’s 90 minutes per class on top but I’d say for my GCSE groups an exam paper fully completed will take me two hours to mark per class. 90 minutes for ten classes adds on 900 minutes a day. So thats 15 hours, divided by three for each week meaning another 5 hours on top. Let’s factor in report writing too and data entry and add on top another 2 hours a week for year reports which we do twice a year and have to be individual. 17 hours additional labour per week minus off the two we have for PPA is 15 hours of additional work per week to do outside of the “9-5” we are contracted to do. Oh I didn’t add lunch duties, morning and after school duties, break duties, printing time, prep time, book marking, meetings with staff members, having to write statements for local authorities over concerns over kids, organising school trips, taking kids on trips and residentials over the weekend which we aren’t paid for either. Most teachers also have lives over the weekends and children to support so is it any wonder most of this extra work gets pushed into the holidays? This is exactly why we are bleeding good staff and can’t recruit people to go into the profession. But yeah sure your theory checks out. heres a little advice, always read the question before writing an essay on the wrong subject , I asked about the marking of exams in the summer, not your life history ;-)
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 26, 2024 17:09:44 GMT 1
Sums up the level of ill informed opinion from people who think that because they attended a school they know exactly what happens. There’s a whole curtain and structure behind you never see. Put it like this. A standard school day for staff is around 8-4pm every day if you factor in directed time meetings and average them across the year (ie parents evenings, training etc, which can go on to around 8pm some days). Doesn’t seem to bad right? A nice 9-5 generally. So let’s factor on top this. As a teacher we are performing (teaching) around 30 children 20 hours a week, with an addition 2 hours being directed time for cover for those staff members absent. So really it’s 22 hours. Those hours are teaching a class, managing behaviour, teaching content, checking content. In other words there is no hiding place for you to have a quiet moment or time to work as you are constantly performing. Plus you have the form notices, safeguarding checks in a morning, logging, reporting, data tracking, implementation of strategy, parental engagement. So yeah that’s my 9-5. Oh except for the fact if you crunched the numbers that means we only have two hours to plan lessons a week and to do our marking, known as PPA. As an experienced teacher it takes me roughly on average 45 mins to create a lesson from scratch with an additional 15 minutes reviewing and ensuring everything is tweaked, but new staff trained will take around 2 hours when doing a PGCE. I teach in a sixth form secondary so I have two additional years on top to plan for, oh and that’s three subjects I teach at sixth form level, not just one. So let’s be generous and say that it’s a standard secondary school. Year 7-11 so 5 years of ages with two lessons a week for each. That’s 10 hours a week for creating lessons. I teach roughly 10 groups a week too in terms of one group over two hours. Most schools will expect one piece of marking every three weeks or so that’s formally assessed. Now if we talk about official assessments and a piece of work, 30 kids in a class, 3 minutes per piece to mark? That’s 90 minutes per class on top but I’d say for my GCSE groups an exam paper fully completed will take me two hours to mark per class. 90 minutes for ten classes adds on 900 minutes a day. So thats 15 hours, divided by three for each week meaning another 5 hours on top. Let’s factor in report writing too and data entry and add on top another 2 hours a week for year reports which we do twice a year and have to be individual. 17 hours additional labour per week minus off the two we have for PPA is 15 hours of additional work per week to do outside of the “9-5” we are contracted to do. Oh I didn’t add lunch duties, morning and after school duties, break duties, printing time, prep time, book marking, meetings with staff members, having to write statements for local authorities over concerns over kids, organising school trips, taking kids on trips and residentials over the weekend which we aren’t paid for either. Most teachers also have lives over the weekends and children to support so is it any wonder most of this extra work gets pushed into the holidays? This is exactly why we are bleeding good staff and can’t recruit people to go into the profession. But yeah sure your theory checks out. heres a little advice, always read the question before writing an essay on the wrong subject , I asked about the marking of exams in the summer, not your life history ;-)
0/10. see me for detention. ;-)Oh the school holidays in the summer? I thought you were paying attention. Kids don’t just magically disappear every summer. Apart from year 11 and 13 the groups carry over into the next year so if you’ve not marked or prepped for next year that’s summer time work. You said why don’t we just work Saturdays? Maybe we should make school compulsory on Saturdays then you can watch the education system completely collapse as 80% of teachers leave and schools can’t open because there’s no one left. To put it in context five years ago when I trained there were 15 people on the course with 7 dropping out. I caught up with my old training lead as we had a student teacher come to our school last year and that same course only had 3 students for the year. The profession won’t survive the next decade unless serious reform is done to ease workload and encourage people to go into the profession. |
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 26, 2024 17:13:05 GMT 1
As the parent of a teacher and someone who spent over 20 years working in a school office, I can only say I’ve read some rubbish on here over the years but the criticism of teachers today goes beyond the limit.
They work damn hard with very little respect from pupils, parents and the authorities. They do work in the holidays bank ones or others.
It’s time the myth about teachers only working when they are in the classroom is ended. The paperwork introduced by various governments is horrendous and much of it unnecessary.
Giving it five years is generous. Most young teachers give up well before this when they realise what real education provision is unlike anything they were led to believe at college.
MAny people work hard in various workplaces and there is absolutely no reason why teachers should not be included in this category.
As for bank holidays, I like them. Any day that gives working parents extra time with their families can’t be bad.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2024 17:14:42 GMT 1
Meanwhile, I learnt from my experiences of yesterday and managed to circumvent all the potential problems which lay ahead of me with regards to having a quiet drink.
This started with me arriving at the pub at approximately 11.29 a.m. this morning and being the 1st vehicle in the car park. I was mindful that a village fete was taking place just a few hundred yards away, and that the participants were more than likely to gravitate towards the pub later on, some with children in tow.
By the time I left, the car park was full, though most had fortunately headed for food in the lounge area, leaving me relatively unscathed in the bar (where the bar stools had now been returned after yesterday).
I dread to think of the extent of the crush that would be forming fairly soon after my departure.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 26, 2024 17:16:04 GMT 1
heres a little advice, always read the question before writing an essay on the wrong subject , I asked about the marking of exams in the summer, not your life history ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2024 17:16:42 GMT 1
As the parent of a teacher and someone who spent over 20 years working in a school office, I can only say I’ve read some rubbish on here over the years but the criticism of teachers today goes beyond the limit. They work damn hard with very little respect from pupils, parents and the authorities. They do work in the holidays bank ones or others. It’s time the myth about teachers only working when they are in the classroom is ended. The paperwork introduced by various governments is horrendous and much of it unnecessary. Giving it five years is generous. Most young teachers give up well before this when they realise what real education provision is unlike anything they were led to believe at college. MAny people work hard in various workplaces and there is absolutely no reason why teachers should not be included in this category. As for bank holidays, I like them. Any day that gives working parents extra time with their families can’t be bad. Not only teachers, but teaching assistants and support staff, many of them having to take on teaching responsibilities and on half the wage of a teacher. The public sector has been neglected for far too long. |
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 26, 2024 17:19:12 GMT 1
Absolutely right. Couldn’t agree more.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 26, 2024 17:26:24 GMT 1
I've never bought into this 'spends most of the summer marking' myth I cant ever remember getting homework at the end of term before the summer holidays, especially considering you were in a new year when you came back as for exams or mocks, I mean really, im sure the exam board hire and pay for people to mark these I might be wrong , maybe someone can enlighten me Sums up the level of ill informed opinion from people who think that because they attended a school they know exactly what happens. There’s a whole curtain and structure behind you never see. Put it like this. A standard school day for staff is around 8-4pm every day if you factor in directed time meetings and average them across the year (ie parents evenings, training etc, which can go on to around 8pm some days). Doesn’t seem to bad right? A nice 9-5 generally. So let’s factor on top this. As a teacher we are performing (teaching) around 30 children 20 hours a week, with an addition 2 hours being directed time for cover for those staff members absent. So really it’s 22 hours. Those hours are teaching a class, managing behaviour, teaching content, checking content. In other words there is no hiding place for you to have a quiet moment or time to work as you are constantly performing. Plus you have the form notices, safeguarding checks in a morning, logging, reporting, data tracking, implementation of strategy, parental engagement. So yeah that’s my 9-5. Oh except for the fact if you crunched the numbers that means we only have two hours to plan lessons a week and to do our marking, known as PPA. As an experienced teacher it takes me roughly on average 45 mins to create a lesson from scratch with an additional 15 minutes reviewing and ensuring everything is tweaked, but new staff trained will take around 2 hours when doing a PGCE. I teach in a sixth form secondary so I have two additional years on top to plan for, oh and that’s three subjects I teach at sixth form level, not just one. So let’s be generous and say that it’s a standard secondary school. Year 7-11 so 5 years of ages with two lessons a week for each. That’s 10 hours a week for creating lessons. I teach roughly 10 groups a week too in terms of one group over two hours. Most schools will expect one piece of marking every three weeks or so that’s formally assessed. Now if we talk about official assessments and a piece of work, 30 kids in a class, 3 minutes per piece to mark? That’s 90 minutes per class on top but I’d say for my GCSE groups an exam paper fully completed will take me two hours to mark per class. 90 minutes for ten classes adds on 900 minutes a day. So thats 15 hours, divided by three for each week meaning another 5 hours on top. Let’s factor in report writing too and data entry and add on top another 2 hours a week for year reports which we do twice a year and have to be individual. 17 hours additional labour per week minus off the two we have for PPA is 15 hours of additional work per week to do outside of the “9-5” we are contracted to do. Oh I didn’t add lunch duties, morning and after school duties, break duties, printing time, prep time, book marking, meetings with staff members, having to write statements for local authorities over concerns over kids, organising school trips, taking kids on trips and residentials over the weekend which we aren’t paid for either. Most teachers also have lives over the weekends and children to support so is it any wonder most of this extra work gets pushed into the holidays? This is exactly why we are bleeding good staff and can’t recruit people to go into the profession. But yeah sure your theory checks out. It is no wonder that staff are burnt out, equally you have highlighted all the reason why there is retention issue in teaching. |
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 26, 2024 17:26:51 GMT 1
As the parent of a teacher and someone who spent over 20 years working in a school office, I can only say I’ve read some rubbish on here over the years but the criticism of teachers today goes beyond the limit. They work damn hard with very little respect from pupils, parents and the authorities. They do work in the holidays bank ones or others. It’s time the myth about teachers only working when they are in the classroom is ended. The paperwork introduced by various governments is horrendous and much of it unnecessary. Giving it five years is generous. Most young teachers give up well before this when they realise what real education provision is unlike anything they were led to believe at college. MAny people work hard in various workplaces and there is absolutely no reason why teachers should not be included in this category. As for bank holidays, I like them. Any day that gives working parents extra time with their families can’t be bad. Not only teachers, but teaching assistants and support staff, many of them having to take on teaching responsibilities and on half the wage of a teacher. The public sector has been neglected for far too long. Teaching assistants are the unsung heroes of the education sector. Often paid minimum wage, the first to be cut when budget cuts come through from central government and are invaluable in helping with some sets. An amazing TA is gold dust. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2024 17:26:53 GMT 1
Wow, how to belittle the teaching profession without any real knowledge of what they do.
That really does take the biscuit.
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