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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 23, 2024 19:55:50 GMT 1
Acording to radio LBC ,ten million pensioners will lose there winter payments, whilst universal benefits are in line with how it feels to be in a fair society,we're everyone benefits, the country can't balance the books and we have a huge national debt.
I can't see this been popular with votets
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 7:02:49 GMT 1
Acording to radio LBC ,ten million pensioners will lose there winter payments, whilst universal benefits are in line with how it feels to be in a fair society,we're everyone benefits, the country can't balance the books and we have a hige national debt. I can't see this been popular with votets It's likely to be over 4.5 years until the next election. Labour will be hoping that the economy picks up substantially in that time and that this is forgotten about by most people or at least not important enough to be a major issue. It's a risk, but they'll be thinking it's one that will pay off. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 24, 2024 8:13:42 GMT 1
As long as the people who really need it get the payment then I don't have an issue with it. I agree I don't see this causing labour any major issues.
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Post by armchairfan on Aug 24, 2024 10:59:12 GMT 1
At the risk of being accused of being the chief of the "Grammar Police", I must say that the original post was so lacking in correct and misleading punctuation and syntax, I found the meaning indecipherable; I am sure that YOU understand the point you are trying to make, but I certainly didn't, so cannot comment.
Sorry!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 12:01:06 GMT 1
AGE UK believe as many as 2 million pensioners who find paying their energy bills a real stretch will be seriously hit by this cut:
Those on low incomes who just miss out on Pension Credit,
Those with high energy needs because of disability or illness,
The 1 million who don’t receive the Pension Credit for which they are eligible.
Their petition is still open and has now over 430,000 signatures.
The one that concerns me is the top one highlighted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 12:03:29 GMT 1
At the risk of being accused of being the chief of the "Grammar Police", I must say that the original post was so lacking in correct and misleading punctuation and syntax, I found the meaning indecipherable; I am sure that YOU understand the point you are trying to make, but I certainly didn't, so cannot comment. Sorry! Why not just say that you didn't understand the meaning of the post? |
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Post by armchairfan on Aug 24, 2024 12:47:50 GMT 1
At the risk of being accused of being the chief of the "Grammar Police", I must say that the original post was so lacking in correct and misleading punctuation and syntax, I found the meaning indecipherable; I am sure that YOU understand the point you are trying to make, but I certainly didn't, so cannot comment. Sorry! Why not just say that you didn't understand the meaning of the post? And lay myself open to accusations of being "thick"? I don't think so, but thanks for the suggestion; I happen to think that it's better to explain things! Just to make it clear that I do not wish to demean the OP, as accuracy in communication is important for all of us. |
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 24, 2024 13:37:54 GMT 1
Acording to radio LBC ,ten million pensioners will lose there winter payments, whilst universal benefits are in line with how it feels to be in a fair society,we're everyone benefits, the country can't balance the books and we have a huge national debt. I can't see this been popular with votets Think most pensioners (I've spoken to) think benefits should be directed at those that need them no indiscriminately handed out to everyone. How can that be right? |
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Post by rob62 on Aug 24, 2024 18:25:16 GMT 1
Simple solution to help the finances and ensure fairness....withdraw the payment to those on the higher tax rate.
Shocking that those that are just outside the limit lose all the payment when fuel bills are increasing
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 26, 2024 18:42:22 GMT 1
Age UK has a lot of influence, but there's many not of pensionable age who are ill and need extra heating. Hopefully a fairer fuel poverty strategy will immerge in due course.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2024 6:59:48 GMT 1
Age UK has a lot of influence, but there's many not of pensionable age who are ill and need extra heating. Hopefully a fairer fuel poverty strategy will immerge in due course.
If they set the threshold at the midpoint of the basic state pension and the average wage I could probably get behind that, but to punish people that have a few bob over the requirement to get top ups is wrong. Someone getting a few extra quid a month from a private pension, not having enough NI contributions because they were only working part time or being a housewife for much of their life or having the audacity to have some savings already loses out on the pension top up and to then miss out on the fuel payment is patently unfair.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 27, 2024 19:19:50 GMT 1
Those pensioners who are in receipt of an Attendance Allowance, Personal Independence Payment or Disability Living Allowance will lose their Winter Fuel Payment because these are not means tested benefits.
So Reeves' decision discriminates against the disabled.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 28, 2024 9:30:07 GMT 1
British pensioners living in Europe are set to keep the winter fuel allowance this year while millions of the elderly at home are stripped of the payment.
As many as 35,000 retirees on the Continent are in line to get the £300 handout even if they exceed the new wealth threshold set by Rachel Reeves.
Expats living in the European Union plus Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland are guaranteed the allowance by the Brexit withdrawal agreement.
The disclosure will add to the controversy over the Chancellor’s decision to scrap the payment for all UK residents who are not in receipt of benefits.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 28, 2024 11:24:34 GMT 1
British pensioners living in Europe are set to keep the winter fuel allowance this year while millions of the elderly at home are stripped of the payment. As many as 35,000 retirees on the Continent are in line to get the £300 handout even if they exceed the new wealth threshold set by Rachel Reeves. Expats living in the European Union plus Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland are guaranteed the allowance by the Brexit withdrawal agreement. The disclosure will add to the controversy over the Chancellor’s decision to scrap the payment for all UK residents who are not in receipt of benefits. Daily Telegraph. Always best to check Telegraph articles with a reliable source. www.gov.uk/winter-fuel-payment/if-you-live-abroad#:~:text=Eligibility%20rules%20if%20you%20live,country%20before%201%20January%202021 |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 28, 2024 11:54:56 GMT 1
British pensioners living in Europe are set to keep the winter fuel allowance this year while millions of the elderly at home are stripped of the payment. As many as 35,000 retirees on the Continent are in line to get the £300 handout even if they exceed the new wealth threshold set by Rachel Reeves. Expats living in the European Union plus Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland are guaranteed the allowance by the Brexit withdrawal agreement. The disclosure will add to the controversy over the Chancellor’s decision to scrap the payment for all UK residents who are not in receipt of benefits. Daily Telegraph. Always best to check Telegraph articles with a reliable source. www.gov.uk/winter-fuel-payment/if-you-live-abroad#:~:text=Eligibility%20rules%20if%20you%20live,country%20before%201%20January%202021 Yes, and the reliable source says as follows:- "If you do not live in the UK, you’re only eligible for the Winter Fuel Payment if: you moved to an eligible country before 1 January 2021 you were born before 23 September 1958 you have a genuine and sufficient link to the UK - this can include having lived or worked in the UK, and having family in the UK". So some are indeed eligible for it! |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 28, 2024 12:15:16 GMT 1
Yes, and the reliable source says as follows:- "If you do not live in the UK, you’re only eligible for the Winter Fuel Payment if: you moved to an eligible country before 1 January 2021 you were born before 23 September 1958 you have a genuine and sufficient link to the UK - this can include having lived or worked in the UK, and having family in the UK". So some are indeed eligible for it! I see you didn't copy that the rules are expected to be revised in September and that not all EU countries appear to be eligible countries, I didn't see France on the list, for example. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 30, 2024 16:22:27 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Sept 2, 2024 17:06:47 GMT 1
My wife and I are in the fortunate position of not needing the winter fuel allowance, and felt embarrassment when the letter announcing the payment dropped through the letterbox each autumn. The Govt should be doing all in can to encourage the 800,000 people who are eligible for pension credit, to apply.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 3, 2024 22:10:04 GMT 1
My wife and I are in the fortunate position of not needing the winter fuel allowance, and felt embarrassment when the letter announcing the payment dropped through the letterbox each autumn. The Govt should be doing all in can to encourage the 800,000 people who are eligible for pension credit, to apply. And if all those 800,000 were then awarded both Pension Credit + the winter fuel allowance, that would wipe out completely all Reeves' £1.5 billion savings. No wonder the form to apply for Pension Credit has over 400 questions - it's clearly designed to put people off. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2024 7:07:08 GMT 1
The state pension is likely to go up by around £400 next year due to the Triple Lock, on top of the £900 rise last year. For a couple on the full State Pension that is a £2,600 rise over two years. I don't know of many people that got pay rises of more than that.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 4, 2024 13:36:21 GMT 1
The state pension is likely to go up by around £400 next year due to the Triple Lock, on top of the £900 rise last year. For a couple on the full State Pension that is a £2,600 rise over two years. I don't know of many people that got pay rises of more than that. Look back a few years and pensioners got very low increases when inflation was racing. The problem, and it's hard to think how else it could ba done, is that the rise is based on price and wage inflation over the last year and is declared in October but not paid until next April. So in times when inflation is rising increases are too low and at times when inflation has been going down,as now, rises look too high. |
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Post by northwestman on Sept 7, 2024 9:08:21 GMT 1
Here's a comment from a Telegraph reader which is worth highlighting.
"70 years old widow - worked all my life. Paid taxes, National Insurance, never claimed any benefits. I am supposed to be a Baby Boomer - I've had it all delivered on a silver platter apparently.
Where do people think the money we paid all our lives went? It went into paying for the education for the likes of Angela Rayner (hardly good value there), the NHS, towards the pensions of those who went before us (our parents who fought in WW2 for the freedom of our country), to social care for those less fortunate than us who couldn't work (not who wouldn't work)
Now I'm being told that as a widow living by myself in a small bungalow (not a big family home blocking young families) not only am I losing my Winter Fuel Alliwance but also possibly (probably) the 25% reduction on my council bills? With energy prices going up/cost of everything going up?
Apologies for this long rant - I'll shut up now and go and dig my own grave ..."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2024 10:39:55 GMT 1
Here's a comment from a Telegraph reader which is worth highlighting. "70 years old widow - worked all my life. Paid taxes, National Insurance, never claimed any benefits. I am supposed to be a Baby Boomer - I've had it all delivered on a silver platter apparently. Where do people think the money we paid all our lives went? It went into paying for the education for the likes of Angela Rayner (hardly good value there), the NHS, towards the pensions of those who went before us (our parents who fought in WW2 for the freedom of our country), to social care for those less fortunate than us who couldn't work (not who wouldn't work) Now I'm being told that as a widow living by myself in a small bungalow (not a big family home blocking young families) not only am I losing my Winter Fuel Alliwance but also possibly (probably) the 25% reduction on my council bills? With energy prices going up/cost of everything going up? Apologies for this long rant - I'll shut up now and go and dig my own grave ..." Let's break that down.
70 year old widow. Retirement age of 65, possibly 60, it's now 67, for those in their 30s today it's likely to be 70+.
A home in the '70s was easily affordable on a single wage, based on 3 times your annual wage with 95% mortgages the norm. Today even with two incomes homes are unaffordable for many 30 somethings and mortgages are based on 5 times the joint incomes with, in most cases, a 10%+ deposit required. As for council houses, forget it.
My tax and NI are paying for her pension and my kids will pay theirs for mine and the wife's. That's how it works.
Those contributions also pay for everything else including education. University used to be free, now it's over £9,000 a year, plus loans for accommodation and living expenses at uni, that used to at least partially covered by grants.
Rayner was a single mother, caring for her own mother and dragged herself up by her bootstraps (which is the catchphrase these people like to throw around) and is now the deputy leader of the Labour party. Would she rather that Rayner had said stuff it and lived on a sink estate sponging money off the state while popping out more kids.
Maybe she should cut out the Costa coffees and avocado on toast.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 7, 2024 12:00:30 GMT 1
Here's a comment from a Telegraph reader which is worth highlighting. "70 years old widow - worked all my life. Paid taxes, National Insurance, never claimed any benefits. I am supposed to be a Baby Boomer - I've had it all delivered on a silver platter apparently. Where do people think the money we paid all our lives went? It went into paying for the education for the likes of Angela Rayner (hardly good value there), the NHS, towards the pensions of those who went before us (our parents who fought in WW2 for the freedom of our country), to social care for those less fortunate than us who couldn't work (not who wouldn't work) Now I'm being told that as a widow living by myself in a small bungalow (not a big family home blocking young families) not only am I losing my Winter Fuel Alliwance but also possibly (probably) the 25% reduction on my council bills? With energy prices going up/cost of everything going up? Apologies for this long rant - I'll shut up now and go and dig my own grave ..." Let's break that down.
70 year old widow. Retirement age of 65, possibly 60, it's now 67, for those in their 30s today it's likely to be 70+.
A home in the '70s was easily affordable on a single wage, based on 3 times your annual wage with 95% mortgages the norm. Today even with two incomes homes are unaffordable for many 30 somethings and mortgages are based on 5 times the joint incomes with, in most cases, a 10%+ deposit required. As for council houses, forget it.
My tax and NI are paying for her pension and my kids will pay theirs for mine and the wife's. That's how it works.
Those contributions also pay for everything else including education. University used to be free, now it's over £9,000 a year, plus loans for accommodation and living expenses at uni, that used to at least partially covered by grants.
Rayner was a single mother, caring for her own mother and dragged herself up by her bootstraps (which is the catchphrase these people like to throw around) and is now the deputy leader of the Labour party. Would she rather that Rayner had said stuff it and lived on a sink estate sponging money off the state while popping out more kids.
Maybe she should cut out the Costa coffees and avocado on toast.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 8, 2024 15:50:06 GMT 1
Asked about Tuesday’s vote on the changes to the fuel allowance, forced after the Conservatives submitted a motion to annul the government’s change to regulations, Starmer refused to say if Labour MPs who rebelled would be stripped of the whip – but made it clear he expected their support.
That will be a matter for the chief whip,” he told BBC One’s Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg. "We’re going into a vote. I’m glad we’re having a vote, because I think it’s very important for parliament to speak on this".
What a brazen liar! he was trying to get this through via secondary legislation without a vote but had to row back thanks to opposition from all quarters, including his own party.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 17:02:38 GMT 1
Asked about Tuesday’s vote on the changes to the fuel allowance, forced after the Conservatives submitted a motion to annul the government’s change to regulations, Starmer refused to say if Labour MPs who rebelled would be stripped of the whip – but made it clear he expected their support. That will be a matter for the chief whip,” he told BBC One’s Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg. "We’re going into a vote. I’m glad we’re having a vote, because I think it’s very important for parliament to speak on this". What a brazen liar! he was trying to get this through via secondary legislation without a vote but had to row back thanks to opposition from all quarters, including his own party. Even if some Labour MPs rebel, it's still going to go through with a thumping majority. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2024 7:22:35 GMT 1
Asked about Tuesday’s vote on the changes to the fuel allowance, forced after the Conservatives submitted a motion to annul the government’s change to regulations, Starmer refused to say if Labour MPs who rebelled would be stripped of the whip – but made it clear he expected their support. That will be a matter for the chief whip,” he told BBC One’s Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg. "We’re going into a vote. I’m glad we’re having a vote, because I think it’s very important for parliament to speak on this". What a brazen liar! he was trying to get this through via secondary legislation without a vote but had to row back thanks to opposition from all quarters, including his own party. Even if some Labour MPs rebel, it's still going to go through with a thumping majority. He needs to be careful though, if he keeps stripping MPs of the whip the official opposition is going to be former Labour MPs. Independents already make up the 4th largest bloc and most of them are ex-Labour. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2024 16:04:00 GMT 1
The cuts have gone through; the benefit of having such a massive majority in the Commons.
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Post by rob62 on Sept 10, 2024 16:54:00 GMT 1
Does anyone know how Julia Buckley voted in relation to this ill conceived policy that will force millions of pensioners into fuel poverty
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 10, 2024 18:38:20 GMT 1
You attack the pensioners at your peril. Surely a mistake made, but just have to tough it out now. At least burning of the Labour government's fingers might warn them off from attempting any further raids on pensioners pockets in the budget.
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