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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Aug 13, 2024 8:13:53 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 13, 2024 8:48:55 GMT 1
Just about sums things up. And the one half decent forward we did have has decided that Wycombe are a better option and from a quick check, came on off the bench at the weekend. Its difficult at times not to think we are slowly but surely getting left behind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2024 9:19:10 GMT 1
Back home???...we'll not exactly as he's a born and bred Londoner who has Irish ancestry. Football is a small world and people talk. Obviously no club in the UK was prepared to give him a contract. |
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Aug 13, 2024 9:26:37 GMT 1
Back home???...we'll not exactly as he's a born and bred Londoner who has Irish ancestry. Football is a small world and people talk. Obviously no club in the UK was prepared to give him a contract. Maybe it was the lure of Champions League football! Shelbourne currently top under the stewardship of Damian Duff! |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 13, 2024 9:41:38 GMT 1
Quite literally our worst ever signing , hundreds of thousands wasted on him and he's finally found his level , the league of Ireland , if he last there that is
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Aug 13, 2024 12:21:31 GMT 1
Will be seen as a coup for them though, and signed on a 'multi year deal'.
They have also signed Rahaan Tulloch who was with town last season too
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Post by ProudSalopian on Aug 13, 2024 12:41:00 GMT 1
He's certainly up there in biggest failures when it comes to our signings over the years, and perhaps is a good example of how signing a 'name' with 'pedigree' doesn't guarantee success.
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Post by trueblue89 on Aug 13, 2024 12:41:07 GMT 1
Just about sums things up. And the one half decent forward we did have has decided that Wycombe are a better option and from a quick check, came on off the bench at the weekend. Its difficult at times not to think we are slowly but surely getting left behind. fail to see how your analogy insinuates us being left behind? O'Brien was a punt that didnt work and Udoh has taken a pay-rise to play second choice somewhere else. We have to stop beating the drum of " a sorry state of affairs" and move on. Its football, players come and go but the club remains. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 13, 2024 12:47:36 GMT 1
I wish him all the best
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 13, 2024 12:53:37 GMT 1
Yes, all the best. And I'd prefer it if his name was never mentioned again.... |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 13, 2024 14:24:40 GMT 1
Just about sums things up. And the one half decent forward we did have has decided that Wycombe are a better option and from a quick check, came on off the bench at the weekend. Its difficult at times not to think we are slowly but surely getting left behind. fail to see how your analogy insinuates us being left behind? O'Brien was a punt that didnt work and Udoh has taken a pay-rise to play second choice somewhere else. We have to stop beating the drum of " a sorry state of affairs" and move on. Its football, players come and go but the club remains. Right, O'Brien was a punt. As was Mata. So ask yourself why we are having to take a punt rather than bringing in an established forward (who can score goals at this level). How many did Bowman score and where is he now? How many others have come and gone without making an impact. The one who did prove he could do it at this level has gone to Wycombe where he is earning more (according to you) to be second choice (which would suggest the best forward we have doesn't even get into their first team). And with all that said, you fail to see how my analogy insinuates we're being left behind?  I really don't get that at all and I really don't feel the need to move on from until we see things improve...👍 |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 13, 2024 14:33:17 GMT 1
fail to see how your analogy insinuates us being left behind? O'Brien was a punt that didnt work and Udoh has taken a pay-rise to play second choice somewhere else. We have to stop beating the drum of " a sorry state of affairs" and move on. Its football, players come and go but the club remains. Right, O'Brien was a punt. As was Mata. So ask yourself why we are having to take a punt rather than bringing in an established forward (who can score goals at this level). How many did Bowman score and where is he now? How many others have come and gone without making an impact. The one who did prove he could do it at this level has gone to Wycombe where he is earning more (according to you) to be second choice (which would suggest the best forward we have doesn't even get into their first team). And with all that said, you fail to see how my analogy insinuates we're being left behind? I really don't get that at all and I really don't feel the need to move on from until we see things improve...👍 O'brien a punt ? almost correct |
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Post by hectord0g137 on Aug 13, 2024 15:41:38 GMT 1
I "see" what you did there
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Post by trueblue89 on Aug 13, 2024 16:15:55 GMT 1
fail to see how your analogy insinuates us being left behind? O'Brien was a punt that didnt work and Udoh has taken a pay-rise to play second choice somewhere else. We have to stop beating the drum of " a sorry state of affairs" and move on. Its football, players come and go but the club remains. Right, O'Brien was a punt. As was Mata. So ask yourself why we are having to take a punt rather than bringing in an established forward (who can score goals at this level). How many did Bowman score and where is he now? How many others have come and gone without making an impact. The one who did prove he could do it at this level has gone to Wycombe where he is earning more (according to you) to be second choice (which would suggest the best forward we have doesn't even get into their first team). And with all that said, you fail to see how my analogy insinuates we're being left behind? I really don't get that at all and I really don't feel the need to move on from until we see things improve...👍 i will ask myself exactly that. All football clubs will take a "punt" on a player from any direction. Goalscorers are few and far between and when you have them they cost £££. Bowman on average scored 1 goal in just less than 8 games Udoh scored on average 1 goal in 5 which is hardly something to shout from the rooftops. Grant Holt scored 1 goal in 2.1 games in average and at that time was our record signing and thats the differance. I will admit i was ok with us trying a differant market form players for a change signing the likes of Idowu, Mate & Sobowale. I think Mata will prove a supporters wrong in the future and just hope its with us he does it and not the usual story or going elsewhere to score goals. Idowu didnt look fit last season and Sobowale looked a handful just questionable whether he actually had enough quality in the tank. Given more time or mins they might have proven there worth. How many players do Peterborough sign from non league and sell on for money. Think you will find they have a lot more failed signings than people realise. We arent able to pay large sums of money as a plan to have a smaller squad and a higher wage budget has back fired. Now we have to do things a differant way ( on the cheap if you want to call it that) MM has a good track record or making low key signings and turning a profit hence his employment. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 13, 2024 19:48:57 GMT 1
Right, O'Brien was a punt. As was Mata. So ask yourself why we are having to take a punt rather than bringing in an established forward (who can score goals at this level). How many did Bowman score and where is he now? How many others have come and gone without making an impact. The one who did prove he could do it at this level has gone to Wycombe where he is earning more (according to you) to be second choice (which would suggest the best forward we have doesn't even get into their first team). And with all that said, you fail to see how my analogy insinuates we're being left behind? I really don't get that at all and I really don't feel the need to move on from until we see things improve...👍 i will ask myself exactly that. All football clubs will take a "punt" on a player from any direction. Goalscorers are few and far between and when you have them they cost £££. Bowman on average scored 1 goal in just less than 8 games Udoh scored on average 1 goal in 5 which is hardly something to shout from the rooftops. Grant Holt scored 1 goal in 2.1 games in average and at that time was our record signing and thats the differance. I will admit i was ok with us trying a differant market form players for a change signing the likes of Idowu, Mate & Sobowale. I think Mata will prove a supporters wrong in the future and just hope its with us he does it and not the usual story or going elsewhere to score goals. Idowu didnt look fit last season and Sobowale looked a handful just questionable whether he actually had enough quality in the tank. Given more time or mins they might have proven there worth. How many players do Peterborough sign from non league and sell on for money. Think you will find they have a lot more failed signings than people realise. We arent able to pay large sums of money as a plan to have a smaller squad and a higher wage budget has back fired. Now we have to do things a differant way ( on the cheap if you want to call it that) MM has a good track record or making low key signings and turning a profit hence his employment. I agree that lots of clubs will take a punt on a player but I suspect they also spend in order to make sure that they are not solely reliant on them. Which I don't think is the situation we constantly find ourselves in where if a punt happens to fail we have nothing else. And sure, forwards cost money, we are doing things on the cheap. I get that. That's my point, we are getting left behind. And sure we have to see how things pan out with the new signings but when I'm reminded of how it worked out for us and O'Brien its a reminder as to why things are as they are at the minute...👍 |
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 13, 2024 22:27:42 GMT 1
Quite literally our worst ever signing , hundreds of thousands wasted on him and he's finally found his level , the league of Ireland , if he last there that is Agreed. Wage thief. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 14, 2024 12:50:52 GMT 1
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"Aiden was desperate to come...." because no FL club wanted him? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2024 17:08:58 GMT 1
I wonder if a certain ex managers word has got round about AOB hence the move to Ireland.
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Post by trueblue89 on Aug 15, 2024 8:58:54 GMT 1
i will ask myself exactly that. All football clubs will take a "punt" on a player from any direction. Goalscorers are few and far between and when you have them they cost £££. Bowman on average scored 1 goal in just less than 8 games Udoh scored on average 1 goal in 5 which is hardly something to shout from the rooftops. Grant Holt scored 1 goal in 2.1 games in average and at that time was our record signing and thats the differance. I will admit i was ok with us trying a differant market form players for a change signing the likes of Idowu, Mate & Sobowale. I think Mata will prove a supporters wrong in the future and just hope its with us he does it and not the usual story or going elsewhere to score goals. Idowu didnt look fit last season and Sobowale looked a handful just questionable whether he actually had enough quality in the tank. Given more time or mins they might have proven there worth. How many players do Peterborough sign from non league and sell on for money. Think you will find they have a lot more failed signings than people realise. We arent able to pay large sums of money as a plan to have a smaller squad and a higher wage budget has back fired. Now we have to do things a differant way ( on the cheap if you want to call it that) MM has a good track record or making low key signings and turning a profit hence his employment. I agree that lots of clubs will take a punt on a player but I suspect they also spend in order to make sure that they are not solely reliant on them. Which I don't think is the situation we constantly find ourselves in where if a punt happens to fail we have nothing else. And sure, forwards cost money, we are doing things on the cheap. I get that. That's my point, we are getting left behind. And sure we have to see how things pan out with the new signings but when I'm reminded of how it worked out for us and O'Brien its a reminder as to why things are as they are at the minute...👍 thing is we arent the only team having to do things on the cheap in the football league. Even in league one we arent the only ones which makes the task harder. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 15, 2024 11:36:21 GMT 1
I agree that lots of clubs will take a punt on a player but I suspect they also spend in order to make sure that they are not solely reliant on them. Which I don't think is the situation we constantly find ourselves in where if a punt happens to fail we have nothing else. And sure, forwards cost money, we are doing things on the cheap. I get that. That's my point, we are getting left behind. And sure we have to see how things pan out with the new signings but when I'm reminded of how it worked out for us and O'Brien its a reminder as to why things are as they are at the minute...👍 thing is we arent the only team having to do things on the cheap in the football league. True but I'm not sure why that means I should be happy or content or find it acceptable that Town are. That we have our best forward heading to Wycombe, a club in the same division who get less through the gate than we do who are willing and able to offer him more to move there (and that he isn't a shoe in to start) speaks volumes. We're getting left behind (even by the likes of Wycombe at the moment). |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 15, 2024 14:50:36 GMT 1
thing is we arent the only team having to do things on the cheap in the football league. True but I'm not sure why that means I should be happy or content or find it acceptable that Town are. That we have our best forward heading to Wycombe, a club in the same division who get less through the gate than we do who are willing and able to offer him more to move there (and that he isn't a shoe in to start) speaks volumes. We're getting left behind (even by the likes of Wycombe at the moment). I agree we are been left behind, but at the same time you see clubs with bigger debts than us splashing the cash, which is not what I wont either but by not keeping udoh and marosi in my view was a mistake, the keeper kept us up and our forward scored 10 or 11 goals in a very poor team. Udoh left because he was offered 3,000 more by Wycombe. We seem a club in limbo trying to scrap along by spending the least we can get away with, we are in limbo as the club seems unable to find a buyer, |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2024 15:19:11 GMT 1
True but I'm not sure why that means I should be happy or content or find it acceptable that Town are. That we have our best forward heading to Wycombe, a club in the same division who get less through the gate than we do who are willing and able to offer him more to move there (and that he isn't a shoe in to start) speaks volumes. We're getting left behind (even by the likes of Wycombe at the moment). I agree we are been left behind, but at the same time you see clubs with bigger debts than us splashing the cash, which is not what I wont either but by not keeping udoh and marosi in my view was a mistake, the keeper kept us up and our forward scored 10 or 11 goals in a very poor team. Udoh left because he was offered 3,000 more by Wycombe. We seem a club in limbo trying to scrap along by spending the least we can get away with, we are in limbo as the club seems unable to find a buyer, In the interim, let's hope that crowds are up this season* and we get a lucrative cup run or two to boost the coffers. At the same we have hopefully turned the corner financially with all the cost cutting measures that have been put in place. * saying that, ticket sales for Saturday don't look that encouraging at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2024 15:47:16 GMT 1
Don't Wycombe have both Championship money and also recently been bought? so a cash injection, same as Burton.
I'd look more at somewhere like Oxford as an example,
Though Lincoln, Northampton, Bristol Rovers and Cambridge are similar level clubs.
Anyway I guess this isn't AOB related, glad he's as far away as possible from the Meadow.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Aug 18, 2024 7:37:47 GMT 1
Made his debut on Friday night for Shelbourne. Scored for them and scored penalty in the shootout too.
Didn't manage that for town in 2 years!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 18, 2024 9:16:45 GMT 1
Made his debut on Friday night for Shelbourne. Scored for them and scored penalty in the shootout too. Didn't manage that for town in 2 years! Being good in LOI doesnt make him a good player - dont we know it! |
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Post by trueblue89 on Aug 20, 2024 8:15:26 GMT 1
thing is we arent the only team having to do things on the cheap in the football league. True but I'm not sure why that means I should be happy or content or find it acceptable that Town are. That we have our best forward heading to Wycombe, a club in the same division who get less through the gate than we do who are willing and able to offer him more to move there (and that he isn't a shoe in to start) speaks volumes. We're getting left behind (even by the likes of Wycombe at the moment). I'm not saying you have to be happy about it. Just because we choose to not pay "over the odds" for an average L1 forward doesnt mean we are being left behind is more my point. I would love us to be doing the best of both worlds. Getting the non-league "punts" right which see's us turn a profit on a player after 2 years of success. But we havent ever done it. Yes its going to be a frustrating year and it probably wont be the last frustrating year either. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 20, 2024 10:40:10 GMT 1
True but I'm not sure why that means I should be happy or content or find it acceptable that Town are. That we have our best forward heading to Wycombe, a club in the same division who get less through the gate than we do who are willing and able to offer him more to move there (and that he isn't a shoe in to start) speaks volumes. We're getting left behind (even by the likes of Wycombe at the moment). I'm not saying you have to be happy about it. Just because we choose to not pay "over the odds" for an average L1 forward doesnt mean we are being left behind is more my point. I would love us to be doing the best of both worlds. Getting the non-league "punts" right which see's us turn a profit on a player after 2 years of success. But we havent ever done it. Yes its going to be a frustrating year and it probably wont be the last frustrating year either. That we have a club like Wycombe Wanderers who get less through the gate than we do coming in and poaching our captain and leading scorer speaks volumes. I gather they left us for there because they can pay them more money and they feel they have a better chance of success there. And how do you mean "over the odds" for an average L1 forward? Can you provide some details on that. Are you referring to Udoh? How much did he go for, how much is his wage, how does that compare to others at Wycombe, how does that compare to other forwards within the division, how does that compare to our current forward line? |
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Post by trueblue89 on Aug 20, 2024 13:33:01 GMT 1
I'm not saying you have to be happy about it. Just because we choose to not pay "over the odds" for an average L1 forward doesnt mean we are being left behind is more my point. I would love us to be doing the best of both worlds. Getting the non-league "punts" right which see's us turn a profit on a player after 2 years of success. But we havent ever done it. Yes its going to be a frustrating year and it probably wont be the last frustrating year either. That we have a club like Wycombe Wanderers who get less through the gate than we do coming in and poaching our captain and leading scorer speaks volumes. I gather they left us for there because they can pay them more money and they feel they have a better chance of success there. And how do you mean "over the odds" for an average L1 forward? Can you provide some details on that. Are you referring to Udoh? How much did he go for, how much is his wage, how does that compare to others at Wycombe, how does that compare to other forwards within the division, how does that compare to our current forward line? "over the odds" is refering to the fact of wages. We clearly haven't come close to Wycombe's wage and the same with Leahy. Leahy has gone to Wycombe and is being paid £5k a week, do you really think Shrewsbury Town would pay that? In comparison to Udoh we have a striker on the books who has a better goal record per game than Udoh. We have clearly felt that Udoh wasn't worth his demands or else he would still be with us? Yes there was rumours that we matched his first demand and then that changed which we can only insinuate that Wycome came in with a more attractive offer. I fully understand that Udoh was our top scorer last season, and since joining he has scored 38 goals in all competitions in 181 apperances which on average is 1 goal in 4.7 games which is average. That is a lower average than the likes of Stefan Payne. In comparison to Wycombe, our wage budget is on average £500 a week lower per player than Wycombe's last season and we were over spending. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 20, 2024 14:46:04 GMT 1
That we have a club like Wycombe Wanderers who get less through the gate than we do coming in and poaching our captain and leading scorer speaks volumes. I gather they left us for there because they can pay them more money and they feel they have a better chance of success there. And how do you mean "over the odds" for an average L1 forward? Can you provide some details on that. Are you referring to Udoh? How much did he go for, how much is his wage, how does that compare to others at Wycombe, how does that compare to other forwards within the division, how does that compare to our current forward line? "over the odds" is refering to the fact of wages. We clearly haven't come close to Wycombe's wage and the same with Leahy. Leahy has gone to Wycombe and is being paid £5k a week, do you really think Shrewsbury Town would pay that? In comparison to Wycombe, our wage budget is on average £500 a week lower per player than Wycombe's last season and we were over spending. So that's kinda my point. I don't see why, if Wycombe are in a position to pay that each week, its beyond Town to do so. And "over the odds" might not be the case at all. For all we know Wycombe maybe paying less than the majority of League One clubs wages wise. But that's still beyond us. |
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I really don't get that at all and I really don't feel the need to move on from until we see things improve...👍
