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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 25, 2024 15:15:56 GMT 1
If you didn't watch it, do use catch up tv. Then you'll see why I'm never, ever, going to A & E in Shrewsbury again. Most of the things in the programme I went through, plus some more. You'd think one corridor was the same as any other in a hospital. I would beg to differ.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Jun 25, 2024 15:51:31 GMT 1
If you didn't watch it, do use catch up tv. Then you'll see why I'm never, ever, going to A & E in Shrewsbury again. Most of the things in the programme I went through, plus some more. You'd think one corridor was the same as any other in a hospital. I would beg to differ. I was there the other week - in and out in five hours including Xray - great people great service, more critical people went first, fine by me. Bore no resemblance to what they showed. Their bloke was there for at least three months, and they screened the worst, if you assume 50 patient interactions a day, then he had 4,500 interactions and what they screened was as bad as it got, and he was looking for it. As to the bloke in the bed who needed to pee, he was offered a screen by the undercover guy AFTER he gave him the bottle, could have done it before, or even just given him a blanket to cover his modesty while he went, but none of that would be good TV. Rant over.
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 25, 2024 16:07:51 GMT 1
Staff are brilliant and doing their best under very difficult circumstances. I experienced a stroke recently and had to wait my turn on a bed in the corridor to see a doctor but I was continually monitored by overworked staff. Bed blocking is a problem that is not going to go away anytime soon no matter who wins the election. Editing is a wonderful tool when you want to show the worst of something. We sometimes forget how lucky we are in this country to have the NHS.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 25, 2024 16:15:30 GMT 1
I watched most of it, have to say I last had a bit of an emergency a couple of years ago and got treated excellently from arrival to discharge , it was busy but I found myself in a place called the pit stop ( its a glorified corridor at worst but still had a bed and curtained off ). and then got moved into a new building called the SDEC where the care was exceptional and on hand
but prior to that during covid and no visiting I was livid with the way my dad was handled, he walked into hospital with a bit of an infection and about a week later after me going to PALS and accusing them of all sorts I had him brought home along with a bed (he was so bad he was not expected to see the night out ) but we cared for him ourselves and got him back on his feet and eating , walking and talking again, when he did sadly pass about 8 months later it was natural causes and not starvation and neglect which it very nearly was
I remember my grandad in hospital at cross houses for about 3 weeks with nothing other than a broken leg, must have been like a scene from a carry on film on the ward ;-)
I did ask once where did it all go wrong and I dont think anyone knows the answer my view is there are too many wrong people making too much money, the care sector is even worse, charging someone well over a grand a week to stay and paying someone minimum wages to care for them
oh well I guess the waiting lists will improve when starmer figures out how to manipulate the stats ;-)
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 25, 2024 16:20:00 GMT 1
Staff are brilliant and doing their best under very difficult circumstances. I experienced a stroke recently and had to wait my turn on a bed in the corridor to see a doctor but I was continually monitored by overworked staff. Bed blocking is a problem that is not going to go away anytime soon no matter who wins the election. Editing is a wonderful tool when you want to show the worst of something. We sometimes forget how lucky we are in this country to have the NHS. They automatically say patients are blocking beds yet it’s the NHS who closed many cottage and convalescence facilities causing the bed blocking‘. My mother in laws in RSH now after an emergency op on Saturday. We called to visit, she’s fit to go home but no one’s done the paper work so staying another night. In all honesty the admin staff didn’t seem to care, we said if you get it done we can take her but an hour later they said it won’t be done today! Thats just paperwork holding up the bed! Went in Sunday and thought how relaxed it was, today was chaos from parking, 12 ambulances outside and police on the main entrances, not sure why.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 25, 2024 16:41:05 GMT 1
Staff are brilliant and doing their best under very difficult circumstances. I experienced a stroke recently and had to wait my turn on a bed in the corridor to see a doctor but I was continually monitored by overworked staff. Bed blocking is a problem that is not going to go away anytime soon no matter who wins the election. Editing is a wonderful tool when you want to show the worst of something. We sometimes forget how lucky we are in this country to have the NHS. They automatically say patients are blocking beds yet it’s the NHS who closed many cottage and convalescence facilities causing the bed blocking‘. My mother in laws in RSH now after an emergency op on Saturday. We called to visit, she’s fit to go home but no one’s done the paper work so staying another night. In all honesty the admin staff didn’t seem to care, we said if you get it done we can take her but an hour later they said it won’t be done today! Thats just paperwork holding up the bed! Went in Sunday and thought how relaxed it was, today was chaos from parking, 12 ambulances outside and police on the main entrances, not sure why. Yes paperwork is a big part of the bed blocking problem. I've had 2 spells in there in 2022, should have been in and out in a few days each time but both times it's taken twice as long to get out. The last time was 2 days before Christmas day and i escaped about 7pm on the Friday after saying i was going home that day whatever situation they were with the paperwork. Needless to say staff had gone home around 5pm and not all the paperwork had been done and Discharge team were left to sort things out. Have to say though everyone i came into contact with during my stays were excellent, (even the nurse that kept coming round and sticking bloody needles in me at regular intervals....)
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 25, 2024 17:06:03 GMT 1
I have worked in care for a long time. I always take these programs with a pinch of salt. There are clearly issues that need sorting but programs like this paint every service whether thats A&E or a care home with the same brush that they are all terrible.
I have no doubt for every 100 undercover reporter only 1 of them gets any evidence of poor practice (probably way less common than that).
Without even watching it (yet) I can assume that it damned the poor staff that are over worked and unappreciated that will take the criticism when it should be those sitting comfortable in 10 downing street.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 25, 2024 18:18:04 GMT 1
I'm really pleased for those of you who had good treatment in A&E, I mean that. My own experience is entirely different. I was in a bay there about 5pm. I must of dozed off, because I woke up with an arsey porter thowing my stuff on my bed. I asked him where I was going, he just said, : the corridor" and unplugged everything and rushed me out and down the corridor to where the cleaners gathered. He didn't speak again. I can do without food, that didn't bother me, but I must have water. for my damaged kidneys, because I have to drink 2 litres a day. There was a door where staff occasionally went in and out of, but no-one gave me a second glance and my pleas for water went unheeded.
I might be honest, in the end I stopped asking and settled down to die. I was there until 3 in the morning, when a male nurse took pity on me when he walked past, and organised a bed on AMU. So the programme was very acurate in my case.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 25, 2024 18:23:30 GMT 1
Read the Shropshire Star. The hospital have apologised that the A&E didn't meet the standards expected. They've admitted it.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 25, 2024 18:40:27 GMT 1
Oh, and how many of you have had a incontinence pad fitted around your arse, and when I asked for the commode, was told to poop in the pad and they'd clean it up. I swear on my Mother's grave, that happened to me. Tell me the dignity in that.
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Post by belfastshrew on Jun 25, 2024 18:59:11 GMT 1
Had nothing but bad experiences in Shrews and Wellington. The staff are great. But they work in impossible conditions. The system is broken. None of what happened on that programme was new to me; i've seen, heard from others, and experienced all of what went on. I'm amazed some of the senior officials didn't know it was happening...
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 26, 2024 9:32:46 GMT 1
My worst (slightly) worse interaction with Shrewsbury hospital really was life and death. I can't put the details on here, because I might get certain people in trouble as it could only of come from me. If you are interested enough to ask me, I'll talk to you by pm.
By the way, the nurses in the blood cancer O'connor suite are magnificent, I can't speak highly enough of them. But because I can't go to Shrewsbury any more, I won't see them. My consultant at the Christie has forbit me from going there after a horror show. I've got to go all the way to Manchester for obs and a blood test, because my consultant has said she wants me to be treated by people she trusts.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 26, 2024 9:36:57 GMT 1
Oh, and she has written to my surgery and explained what happened. They were also horrified and sent a doctor to see me to assure me if I need hospital treatment again, I won't be going to Shrewsbury, so they've taken it out of my hands anyway.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 26, 2024 10:26:50 GMT 1
Have had mixed experiences with the hospital. The worst time I was sent away with ‘the x-Ray showed no bones broken so you’re probably bruised’ when it turned out I’d torn ligaments. Required me to go via my GP (navigating the hostile receptionist who’s job appears to be make it as tough as possible to get an appointment), who then referred back to the hospital but to a competent department. From that point onwards I couldn’t fault it.
Overall the NHS is fundamentally broken imo, but privatisation/insurance isn’t the way to go. I also think as individuals we owe it to be fitter, healthier, less stupid, so that hospitals can be available for those who need them.
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Post by mattmw on Jun 26, 2024 10:45:16 GMT 1
I’ve always had mixed feelings on the Shropshire hospitals as without some excellent ground breaking care 40 years ago I wouldn’t be around now. But I’ve also experienced terrible conditions and care for friends and relatives over recent years. And in a professional capacity the quality of care there is scary. I’m still amazed Shropshire got through the covid outbreak as it did, as the whole system could have broken. A lot went wrong but it’s scary how close to complete disaster things were The latest Care Quality Commission report outlines serious issues at the hospitals over a ten year period www.cqc.org.uk/provider/RXWThere is no doubt the NHS as a whole is struggling but there are specific issues in Shropshire around management structures and processes that should be relatively easy to fix, but are getting worse if anything.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 26, 2024 12:42:00 GMT 1
I didn't see the programme but I'll catch up on it. My wife did but found it too upsetting to watch to the end.
It's noticeable how some on here have been so quick to highlight the editing of the programme and comment on it showing the worst examples, as though that somehow makes what was shown acceptable. Everything you watch is edited to make it more punchy but that doesn't make it untrue.
Is it any wonder the standard of our public services has declined so alarmingly when we're so accepting? I'm with JT 100% on this - the perspective is very different when you or a loved one is on the receiving end. That's not how it should be, we should all be demanding better.
This shouldn't even be a party political matter. We need a serious, mature debate about how best to make the NHS and the care system (because the two are inextricably linked, even though we too readily ignore that fact) work for everybody, free at the point of delivery.
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Post by camdenshrew on Jun 26, 2024 13:21:35 GMT 1
I agree with this. This country desperately needs a sensible, mature debate about how we fund our public services instead of one conducted through the puerile prism of "X is going to put your taxes up." We can't have Scandinavian-style public services if we people want US-level rates of taxation.
We can't talk about reforming the NHS without discussing what thst reform means for patients and staff, what we are going to do about public health as a whole, especially on disease prevention, and without accepting the need for sustainable, long-term investment.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 26, 2024 16:09:27 GMT 1
I agree with this. This country desperately needs a sensible, mature debate about how we fund our public services instead of one conducted through the puerile prism of "X is going to put your taxes up." We can't have Scandinavian-style public services if we people want US-level rates of taxation. We can't talk about reforming the NHS without discussing what thst reform means for patients and staff, what we are going to do about public health as a whole, especially on disease prevention, and without accepting the need for sustainable, long-term investment. Very true for me we also need a sustainable way to provide social care. The other elephant in the room is the massive numbers of people coming into the country, so we need to develop a sustainable more humane approach to asylum seekers and economic migrants Up to now no government has had the guts to look at a different model , mainly due to the fear they would have a massive backlashfrom voters There are numerous models that work really well in the provision of health care, Switzerland, Germany and France consistently scored highly on the health care quality ranking. Finland ,Norway and Sweden are countries score highly on the healthiest care index. A starting point is to look from best practice from other countries.
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Post by mattmw on Jun 26, 2024 17:05:01 GMT 1
I agree with this. This country desperately needs a sensible, mature debate about how we fund our public services instead of one conducted through the puerile prism of "X is going to put your taxes up." We can't have Scandinavian-style public services if we people want US-level rates of taxation. We can't talk about reforming the NHS without discussing what thst reform means for patients and staff, what we are going to do about public health as a whole, especially on disease prevention, and without accepting the need for sustainable, long-term investment. Very true for me we also need a sustainable way to provide social care. The other elephant in the room is the massive numbers of people coming into the country, so we need to develop a sustainable more humane approach to asylum seekers and economic migrants Up to now no government has had the guts to look at a different model , mainly due to the fear they would have a massive backlashfrom voters There are numerous models that work really well in the provision of health care, Switzerland, Germany and France consistently scored highly on the health care quality ranking. Finland ,Norway and Sweden are countries score highly on the healthiest care index. A starting point is to look from best practice from other countries. There are defiantly different models of delivery of health services across the world, but as Camdenshrew said earlier the best performing countries also tend to have a higher tax level than the UK In the UK the tax revenue v GDP is around 33% while France is 46%, Sweden 44%, Finland 43%, Germany 37% and Norway 38% - so between 5 and 10% higher tax than the uk which allows much more investment in services Also in 2010 the NHS - run under the same model as now had a 70% approval rating with the public - a record high, but it’s since dropped to less than 25%. So the decline in satisfaction over that period and reasons for it are important to look at too www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/press-releases/public-satisfaction-nhs-new-record-low
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 26, 2024 17:15:16 GMT 1
Very true for me we also need a sustainable way to provide social care. The other elephant in the room is the massive numbers of people coming into the country, so we need to develop a sustainable more humane approach to asylum seekers and economic migrants Up to now no government has had the guts to look at a different model , mainly due to the fear they would have a massive backlashfrom voters There are numerous models that work really well in the provision of health care, Switzerland, Germany and France consistently scored highly on the health care quality ranking. Finland ,Norway and Sweden are countries score highly on the healthiest care index. A starting point is to look from best practice from other countries. There are defiantly different models of delivery of health services across the world, but as Camdenshrew said earlier the best performing countries also tend to have a higher tax level than the UK In the UK the tax revenue v GDP is around 33% while France is 46%, Sweden 44%, Finland 43%, Germany 37% and Norway 38% - so between 5 and 10% higher tax than the uk which allows much more investment in services Also in 2010 the NHS - run under the same model as now had a 70% approval rating with the public - a record high, but it’s since dropped to less than 25%. So the decline in satisfaction over that period and reasons for it are important to look at too www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/press-releases/public-satisfaction-nhs-new-record-lowTrue. Labour have an unique opportunity , they will win with a huge majority and unless they are utterly incompetent will be in powere for ten years, I'm a labour voter and im not convinced starmer has the backbone to do it
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