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Post by Pilch on Jun 26, 2024 10:51:46 GMT 1
Of course it's not the thought process which is why I find it funny seeing people trying to defend this dud of a signing with claims we are sending him out on loan thinking it's all part of the master plan. And no one expects Moore to get every signing right but the recruitment last season was awful which is why Hurst is now doing what he can to get of them. I don't understand the hate directed towards Moore. I have not seen any evidence that he has done anything other than do his best. None of us know what level of involvement he has in things yet he gets judged as a failure from little evidence. It's worth remembering he came to us with a decent track record at Cheltenham whilst working with tight budgets. its called the cancel culture the same ones moaning now wanted him cancelled from day 1 if not before, if we win the league next season it will be because of hurst, if we go down it will be because of MM, thats the gist of how the game is played, its pathetic really |
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 26, 2024 16:05:27 GMT 1
I don't understand the hate directed towards Moore. I have not seen any evidence that he has done anything other than do his best. None of us know what level of involvement he has in things yet he gets judged as a failure from little evidence. It's worth remembering he came to us with a decent track record at Cheltenham whilst working with tight budgets. And what happened to Cheltenham at the end of last season? Is that his fault too? |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jun 26, 2024 20:37:15 GMT 1
Of course it's not the thought process which is why I find it funny seeing people trying to defend this dud of a signing with claims we are sending him out on loan thinking it's all part of the master plan. And no one expects Moore to get every signing right but the recruitment last season was awful which is why Hurst is now doing what he can to get of them. I liked the signing of Mata, It could have very easily worked out if the team were able to supply him with any sort of service. I don't think he had a fair crack with decent tactics. The loan signings were of decent quality but unfortunately they were unable to make an impact due to injuries. Feeney and Benning can be classed as successful signings imo. The last two windows were restricted by having the majority of the players already under contract on high wages not leaving a lot left. I don't understand the hate directed towards Moore. I have not seen any evidence that he has done anything other than do his best. None of us know what level of involvement he has in things yet he gets judged as a failure from little evidence. It's worth remembering he came to us with a decent track record at Cheltenham whilst working with tight budgets. No hate here, just an observation that he was brought in to oversee our recruitment and it was poor last season (to put it mildly). Similarly, I haven't questioned whether he's doing his best or not, the level of effort is not being debated and to be honest I have no idea how me, you or any other town could give a view on that. |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 26, 2024 21:49:39 GMT 1
no hate, just a constant torrent of critisism towards the club without going anywhere near the real cause of last seasons penny pinching , always hunting for a scapegoat 🙄
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 26, 2024 22:12:39 GMT 1
Have we sold that bus yet???🤔🤔
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jun 27, 2024 5:55:56 GMT 1
no hate, just a constant torrent of critisism towards the club without going anywhere near the real cause of last seasons penny pinching , always hunting for a scapegoat 🙄 The irony of you complaining about people wanting a scapegoat considering you turn nearly every thread into a dig at a manager who left us over 12 months ago. Anyway, it's not about finding a scapegoat, it's about providing an opinion on different elements of the club, in this instance it's the recruitment from last season as we see another player depart. Yes we know that Moores budget was impacted by the goings on from the previous season but he arrived at the club knowing this, he can't choose to come here and then complain about lack of funds, although to be fair I haven't seen him do that, just some people trying to defend him. My main point (and I'll repeat it again to hopefully make it clear), we've got no money, Moore was given a very small budget but what we had he has wasted. We paid a transfer fee for 3 players (all from Ireland) 2 of them being given long term contracts. Within 12 months one had been released and the other two had been sent out on year long loans. That is why people are questioning the recruitment from last season and the value that Moore brings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2024 8:16:10 GMT 1
no hate, just a constant torrent of critisism towards the club without going anywhere near the real cause of last seasons penny pinching , always hunting for a scapegoat 🙄 The irony of you complaining about people wanting a scapegoat considering you turn nearly every thread into a dig at a manager who left us over 12 months ago. Anyway, it's not about finding a scapegoat, it's about providing an opinion on different elements of the club, in this instance it's the recruitment from last season as we see another player depart. Yes we know that Moores budget was impacted by the goings on from the previous season but he arrived at the club knowing this, he can't choose to come here and then complain about lack of funds, although to be fair I haven't seen him do that, just some people trying to defend him. My main point (and I'll repeat it again to hopefully make it clear), we've got no money, Moore was given a very small budget but what we had he has wasted. We paid a transfer fee for 3 players (all from Ireland) 2 of them being given long term contracts. Within 12 months one had been released and the other two had been sent out on year long loans. That is why people are questioning the recruitment from last season and the value that Moore brings. For the money spent on the three duds from Ireland you could’ve probably signed one semi-competent league one quality player who would’ve made more of a positive impact. Just because budgets were reduced doesn’t excuse negligence in the market, in fact it makes it all the more important it’s used wisely. Real tough job yes but it’s what he was brought in to do, he wasn’t brought in under false pretences so there’s no excuses that’ll wash with me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2024 11:30:32 GMT 1
Well Said Feedo.
No offence to ant of the guys that have come from Ireland but sometimes it's best to get in proven players.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2024 11:54:04 GMT 1
no hate, just a constant torrent of critisism towards the club without going anywhere near the real cause of last seasons penny pinching , always hunting for a scapegoat 🙄 The irony of you complaining about people wanting a scapegoat considering you turn nearly every thread into a dig at a manager who left us over 12 months ago. Anyway, it's not about finding a scapegoat, it's about providing an opinion on different elements of the club, in this instance it's the recruitment from last season as we see another player depart. Yes we know that Moores budget was impacted by the goings on from the previous season but he arrived at the club knowing this, he can't choose to come here and then complain about lack of funds, although to be fair I haven't seen him do that, just some people trying to defend him. My main point (and I'll repeat it again to hopefully make it clear), we've got no money, Moore was given a very small budget but what we had he has wasted. We paid a transfer fee for 3 players (all from Ireland) 2 of them being given long term contracts. Within 12 months one had been released and the other two had been sent out on year long loans. That is why people are questioning the recruitment from last season and the value that Moore brings. if you look a bit deeper you might discover I was actually questioning certain fans for accepting exactly what they previously didn't accept, would you like 3 million examples ? ;-) |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2024 12:03:32 GMT 1
The irony of you complaining about people wanting a scapegoat considering you turn nearly every thread into a dig at a manager who left us over 12 months ago. Anyway, it's not about finding a scapegoat, it's about providing an opinion on different elements of the club, in this instance it's the recruitment from last season as we see another player depart. Yes we know that Moores budget was impacted by the goings on from the previous season but he arrived at the club knowing this, he can't choose to come here and then complain about lack of funds, although to be fair I haven't seen him do that, just some people trying to defend him. My main point (and I'll repeat it again to hopefully make it clear), we've got no money, Moore was given a very small budget but what we had he has wasted. We paid a transfer fee for 3 players (all from Ireland) 2 of them being given long term contracts. Within 12 months one had been released and the other two had been sent out on year long loans. That is why people are questioning the recruitment from last season and the value that Moore brings. For the money spent on the three duds from Ireland you could’ve probably signed one semi-competent league one quality player who would’ve made more of a positive impact. Just because budgets were reduced doesn’t excuse negligence in the market, in fact it makes it all the more important it’s used wisely. Real tough job yes but it’s what he was brought in to do, he wasn’t brought in under false pretences so there’s no excuses that’ll wash with me. so you finally accept , that we couldn't even afford one semi-competent league one quality player, and had to stretch that into 3 players from Ireland, next stage is to accept the previous manager went for what he thought was semi- competent championship players instead of twice as many fully- competent league one quality players especially as almost all were not even close to semi competent |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 27, 2024 13:32:02 GMT 1
Well Said Feedo. No offence to ant of the guys that have come from Ireland but sometimes it's best to get in proven players. The guys from Ireland I'm sure were ment to be players to work on and bring up to the level required over time hence the long contracts. Due to our injury list that wasnt possible so they got thrown in and proved to not be first team ready. Also finances means that at present we cant afford good first team players AND players not yet ready. I'm guessing the 2 out on loan could still be brought back if they improve sufficiently with their loan clubs. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 28, 2024 18:55:45 GMT 1
I liked the signing of Mata, It could have very easily worked out if the team were able to supply him with any sort of service. I don't think he had a fair crack with decent tactics. The loan signings were of decent quality but unfortunately they were unable to make an impact due to injuries. Feeney and Benning can be classed as successful signings imo. The last two windows were restricted by having the majority of the players already under contract on high wages not leaving a lot left. I don't understand the hate directed towards Moore. I have not seen any evidence that he has done anything other than do his best. None of us know what level of involvement he has in things yet he gets judged as a failure from little evidence. It's worth remembering he came to us with a decent track record at Cheltenham whilst working with tight budgets. No hate here, just an observation that he was brought in to oversee our recruitment and it was poor last season (to put it mildly). Similarly, I haven't questioned whether he's doing his best or not, the level of effort is not being debated and to be honest I have no idea how me, you or any other town could give a view on that. So the constant negative comments at Moore, bordering on petty when people call him Micky Mouse is down to his poor recruitment last season? (not neccessarily aimed at you but I have seen it a lot) I don't even think his recruitment was that poor considering the budget he had. The loans were of a good standard and if I could bothered I would link all the threads of the new arrivals last season and the majority were pleased with the quality of standard. I clearly remember optimism at the start of the season. Regardless of whether we recruit poorly most seasons but it seems that Moore has not been given any slack from the get go. For me Moore has had long enough to make an impact, especially considering the financial restrictions he has had to adhere to. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 28, 2024 19:03:09 GMT 1
The irony of you complaining about people wanting a scapegoat considering you turn nearly every thread into a dig at a manager who left us over 12 months ago. Anyway, it's not about finding a scapegoat, it's about providing an opinion on different elements of the club, in this instance it's the recruitment from last season as we see another player depart. Yes we know that Moores budget was impacted by the goings on from the previous season but he arrived at the club knowing this, he can't choose to come here and then complain about lack of funds, although to be fair I haven't seen him do that, just some people trying to defend him. My main point (and I'll repeat it again to hopefully make it clear), we've got no money, Moore was given a very small budget but what we had he has wasted. We paid a transfer fee for 3 players (all from Ireland) 2 of them being given long term contracts. Within 12 months one had been released and the other two had been sent out on year long loans. That is why people are questioning the recruitment from last season and the value that Moore brings. For the money spent on the three duds from Ireland you could’ve probably signed one semi-competent league one quality player who would’ve made more of a positive impact. Just because budgets were reduced doesn’t excuse negligence in the market, in fact it makes it all the more important it’s used wisely. Real tough job yes but it’s what he was brought in to do, he wasn’t brought in under false pretences so there’s no excuses that’ll wash with me. And if Mata / Sobwale / Idowu would have replicated there form for their previous club then we would have a lot of money from them and had a very good season. It was a gamble but a model I like and one I think is our best chance of improving our financial issues. I find it out that there has been a lot more of an uproar about the 3 gambles from Ireland than there was for the 3 year deal for O'Brian. Who's deal probably cost us a lot more than those 3 players combined. Even if O'Brian had stayed with us throughout and was injury free he was still a poor player by league 1 standards. |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 28, 2024 19:16:32 GMT 1
For the money spent on the three duds from Ireland you could’ve probably signed one semi-competent league one quality player who would’ve made more of a positive impact. Just because budgets were reduced doesn’t excuse negligence in the market, in fact it makes it all the more important it’s used wisely. Real tough job yes but it’s what he was brought in to do, he wasn’t brought in under false pretences so there’s no excuses that’ll wash with me. And if Mata / Sobwale / Idowu would have replicated there form for their previous club then we would have a lot of money from them and had a very good season. It was a gamble but a model I like and one I think is our best chance of improving our financial issues. I find it out that there has been a lot more of an uproar about the 3 gambles from Ireland than there was for the 3 year deal for O'Brian. Whose deal probably cost us a lot more than those 3 players combined. Even if O'Brian had stayed with us throughout and was injury free he was still a poor player by league 1 standards. we could have bought the whole league of Ireland for what we wasted on O'brien , flew them all over on an Airbus A380 and got them all a deal to stay at Salop leisure park , might have even managed a goal from one of them |
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 28, 2024 19:43:53 GMT 1
True, I've been critical of Moore a bit.....but yes.... O'Brien and bayliss on 3 yr contracts,plus one or two others,and cotterill didn't exactly pull up trees with his signings TBF.....and spent a hell of a lot of money doing so
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jun 28, 2024 21:23:54 GMT 1
For the money spent on the three duds from Ireland you could’ve probably signed one semi-competent league one quality player who would’ve made more of a positive impact. Just because budgets were reduced doesn’t excuse negligence in the market, in fact it makes it all the more important it’s used wisely. Real tough job yes but it’s what he was brought in to do, he wasn’t brought in under false pretences so there’s no excuses that’ll wash with me. And if Mata / Sobwale / Idowu would have replicated there form for their previous club then we would have a lot of money from them and had a very good season. . That's true. Similarly if O'Brien didn't fall out with Cotterill and scored goals then he'd be a good signing. And maybe if Bayliss had a great season then another club would have paid £2million for him. And maybe if Matty Bondswell continued his form from Newcastle U21s then he could have been a Salop legend. Excuse me being a facetious dick but the important thing is what you've suggested COULD have happened didn't and that is why I'm suggesting they are dud signings. |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 28, 2024 21:31:11 GMT 1
And if Mata / Sobwale / Idowu would have replicated there form for their previous club then we would have a lot of money from them and had a very good season. . That's true. Similarly if O'Brien didn't fall out with Cotterill and scored goals then he'd be a good signing. And maybe if Bayliss had a great season then another club would have paid £2million for him. And maybe if Matty Bondswell continued his form from Newcastle U21s then he could have been a Salop legend. Excuse me being a facetious dick but the important thing is what you've suggested COULD have happened didn't and that is why I'm suggesting they are dud signings. one of those managers can argue you only get what you pay for, one of those managers could argue he needed a bigger budget, the other was Steve cotterill |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 21:43:54 GMT 1
Yeah, can imagine when Mickey Moore sat down at the end of the season to review his signings his thoughts on those three were along the line of ‘yes they’ve been utter s**t and we’re lumbered with two of them for another two years, but never mind at least I tried’.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 28, 2024 21:47:44 GMT 1
Yeah, can imagine when Mickey Moore sat down at the end of the season to review his signings his thoughts on those three were along the line of ‘yes they’ve been utter s**t and we’re lumbered with two of them for another two years, but never mind at least I tried’. god knows what he thought this time 12 months ago |
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 29, 2024 7:01:49 GMT 1
And if Mata / Sobwale / Idowu would have replicated there form for their previous club then we would have a lot of money from them and had a very good season. . That's true. Similarly if O'Brien didn't fall out with Cotterill and scored goals then he'd be a good signing. And maybe if Bayliss had a great season then another club would have paid £2million for him. And maybe if Matty Bondswell continued his form from Newcastle U21s then he could have been a Salop legend. Excuse me being a facetious dick but the important thing is what you've suggested COULD have happened didn't and that is why I'm suggesting they are dud signings. Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing. You have missed my point though. We took a gamble (one the majority were happy with at the time) but unfortunately is has not paid off (yet) but that does not mean it was a bad gamble to make. |
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jul 11, 2024 23:11:13 GMT 1
Roland Idowu scored twice for st mirren on tuesday night.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Jul 11, 2024 23:48:06 GMT 1
Roland Idowu scored twice for st mirren on tuesday night. who were they playing ? |
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Post by Kiwi on Jul 12, 2024 1:35:20 GMT 1
Roland Idowu scored twice for st mirren on tuesday night. who were they playing ? Morton FC they play in the Scottish Championship |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 12, 2024 6:50:36 GMT 1
Roland Idowu scored twice for st mirren on tuesday night. Good spot 👍 |
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jul 12, 2024 7:57:07 GMT 1
Didn't realise St Mirren were in Europe too. Play in the Europa Conference League qualifying round 2 in a couple of weeks. Just awaiting their opponents from round 1
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jul 12, 2024 15:00:26 GMT 1
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Post by hectord0g137 on Aug 1, 2024 19:45:08 GMT 1
Roland playing tonight I see
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2024 20:07:39 GMT 1
Roland is so lovely I want to cuddle him
Oops this is the 'Development' Roland.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Aug 4, 2024 21:31:55 GMT 1
Starts and scores the opener for St Mirren vs Hibs. Looks to be playing further forward than he did for Town, supporting their front two in a 3-5-2 formation
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Aug 4, 2024 21:32:35 GMT 1
the Peterborough model is working
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