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Post by pughywasfree on May 27, 2024 10:30:43 GMT 1
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Post by chirkshrew on May 27, 2024 12:30:10 GMT 1
At least with the pitch bigger....the opposing team will have to work very hard,and be fit,to get the result....because I have no doubts that we will be fit👍😃😃
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Post by Pilch on May 27, 2024 12:42:31 GMT 1
At least with the pitch bigger....the opposing team will have to work very hard,and be fit,to get the result....because I have no doubts that we will be fit👍😃😃 is it really a fitness issue or just part of something to suit the formation/tactics ? either way , next manager will narrow the pitch and the one after that widen it again ;-) |
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Post by dibblydobbly on May 27, 2024 13:01:17 GMT 1
As long as the pitch meets the minimum size requirement we can go bigger than it was before, just not to change it mid season. Not sure why Star call it risky, much easier to play attaching football and score goals on a bigger pitch, we did it last year away towards end of season. Should mean more entertainment either way |
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Post by chirkshrew on May 27, 2024 13:24:36 GMT 1
Because the only time we've won anything in the last 10/12 yrs,is when the pitch was at it's biggest...and we played some decent football...turner,Mellon,Hurst🤷🤷
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Post by hectord0g137 on May 27, 2024 13:29:02 GMT 1
If we play like we did last year we will never find the sodding ball
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 13:35:49 GMT 1
Wasn't the old Gay Meadow one of the biggest or longest?
I don't understand why the non-standard sizes, perhaps its down to the early days when clubs had to play everywhere and anywhere.
There is probably a Micky Mouse, Tom Ware Moneyball expert out there that's done the stats as to why a big pitch, small pitch works, its almost certainly down to football styles and formations.
I'll get my head ripped off here perhaps but under Cotterill and the 3-5-2 system it did appear to work, though that wasn't the case for Taylor or Hurst.
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Post by secretshrew on May 27, 2024 13:37:42 GMT 1
Maybe Marosi is signing after all - more chance of his kicks staying in 😉🤣
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Post by gtismygod on May 27, 2024 13:51:03 GMT 1
I completely understand why the pitch was narrowed: we played a narrow system with wing backs, before PH returned we hadn’t had any decent attacking wide players for a long time (since Ogbeta I’d say?), and whoever we were playing against would more than likely have better players than us.
But it’s great to see it being widened again. You get the impression that Hurst really sympathises with the lack of entertainment at time in recent seasons, and he really wants to build a side who will try to play some decent stuff.
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Post by chirkshrew on May 27, 2024 14:05:09 GMT 1
Come on,let's be honest,the football under cotterill and Taylor was absolutely dire...all I saw (at home) was the away team attacking our goal,and us playing ultra defensive s**te....and I'll be honest.....that wasn't/ isn't for me, I'm afraid....simple as🤷🤷👍
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Post by northwestman on May 27, 2024 14:09:36 GMT 1
So we just need to sign some skilful wing players now to take advantage of the wider pitch.
Something like the Whalley/Rodman combination.
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on May 27, 2024 14:13:52 GMT 1
I wonder if a wider pitch will enhance Bloxhams game…
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Post by vladimir on May 27, 2024 16:05:21 GMT 1
I wonder if a wider pitch will enhance Bloxhams game… It'll certainly help Perry's increased paddock of square meterage to run round like headless chicken. |
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Post by chirkshrew on May 27, 2024 16:22:48 GMT 1
Well he's obviously doing it for a reason.... We will find out in pre season 🤷🤷
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Post by chirkshrew on May 27, 2024 16:23:18 GMT 1
Hurst that is,not Perry!!!
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Post by pughywasfree on May 27, 2024 16:27:59 GMT 1
I wonder if a wider pitch will enhance Bloxhams game… It'll certainly help Perry's increased paddock of square meterage to run round like headless chicken. It always makes me laugh when people make these comments. Give me a headless chicken over a lazy sloth any day! Fancy trying too hard to make a difference! |
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Post by Pilch on May 27, 2024 17:36:23 GMT 1
Wasn't the old Gay Meadow one of the biggest or longest? I don't understand why the non-standard sizes, perhaps its down to the early days when clubs had to play everywhere and anywhere. There is probably a Micky Mouse, Tom Ware Moneyball expert out there that's done the stats as to why a big pitch, small pitch works, its almost certainly down to football styles and formations. I'll get my head ripped off here perhaps but under Cotterill and the 3-5-2 system it did appear to work, though that wasn't the case for Taylor or Hurst. Taylor league wins = 50% Cotterill = 43% Hurst = 11% |
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Post by llanymynechshrew on May 27, 2024 19:18:04 GMT 1
Wasn't the old Gay Meadow one of the biggest or longest? I don't understand why the non-standard sizes, perhaps its down to the early days when clubs had to play everywhere and anywhere. There is probably a Micky Mouse, Tom Ware Moneyball expert out there that's done the stats as to why a big pitch, small pitch works, its almost certainly down to football styles and formations. I'll get my head ripped off here perhaps but under Cotterill and the 3-5-2 system it did appear to work, though that wasn't the case for Taylor or Hurst. Taylor league wins = 50% Cotterill = 43% Hurst = 11% Without looking at the stats, i believe Hurst was more successful away from home on what i'd imagine were bigger pitches. Hopefully that will improve home form too. |
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Post by MetaShrew on May 27, 2024 19:22:09 GMT 1
We got ninety-nine problems, but a pitch ain't one.
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Post by chirkshrew on May 27, 2024 20:58:04 GMT 1
Well let's see what Hurst comes up with,with his new team,and bigger pitch....and compare it with the s**t that I've been watching over the last 3/4 yrs......if it's worse, I'll hold my hands up,and apologise 🤷🤷🤷
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Post by ogil on May 27, 2024 22:15:23 GMT 1
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Post by ogil on May 27, 2024 22:19:08 GMT 1
Well done PH for widening the pitch. Hopefully we can now look forward to some entertaining football!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 28, 2024 9:10:32 GMT 1
Well done PH for widening the pitch. Hopefully we can now look forward to some entertaining football! Hurst doesn't play entertaining football. We only really hammered one side that whole season, Bristol Rovers. What Hurst does is very effective and competitive football. |
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Post by Minormorris64 on May 28, 2024 9:34:44 GMT 1
As long as the pitch meets the minimum size requirement we can go bigger than it was before, just not to change it mid season. Not sure why Star call it risky, much easier to play attaching football and score goals on a bigger pitch, we did it last year away towards end of season. Should mean more entertainment either way You have to stick with the size once decided, no changes allowed during the season. |
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Post by Minormorris64 on May 28, 2024 9:35:17 GMT 1
Wasn't the old Gay Meadow one of the biggest or longest? I don't understand why the non-standard sizes, perhaps its down to the early days when clubs had to play everywhere and anywhere. There is probably a Micky Mouse, Tom Ware Moneyball expert out there that's done the stats as to why a big pitch, small pitch works, its almost certainly down to football styles and formations. I'll get my head ripped off here perhaps but under Cotterill and the 3-5-2 system it did appear to work, though that wasn't the case for Taylor or Hurst. 116 x 76 yards. |
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Post by vladimir on May 28, 2024 12:12:48 GMT 1
Well done PH for widening the pitch. Hopefully we can now look forward to some entertaining football! Hurst doesn't play entertaining football. We only really hammered one side that whole season, Bristol Rovers. What Hurst does is very effective and competitive football. Disagree, I was throughly entertained most of the 17/18 season, we played some lung busting energetic football, with some real neat elements of play. Our ability to retain possession from throw ins being exemplary that season compared to what came before Hurst, and after as well. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 12:23:10 GMT 1
Isn't there also some regulation about the minimum/maximum length of the grass?
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Post by chirkshrew on May 28, 2024 12:25:48 GMT 1
Yep ...didn't do to bad did we....finished 3rd,and 2 Wembley finals....not bad going that.......but obviously not good enough for some!!!
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Post by harboroughshrew on May 28, 2024 12:30:33 GMT 1
Looks like Hurst will try to sign players who will fit into his preferred 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 formations with two attacking wide players (we already have one in Shipley on the left and it would be great to see him playing there in front of a fit Nurse at left back). Those formation suits a wide pitch but the crucial point is that the midfield must be contested with the team not falling back by default into the low block. The low block tactics can be effective on occasions but it is agony for home fans to watch that in a majority of games and we hope that Hurst can improve the fitness of the squad to be able to compete more in midfield. I agree that in Hurst's first full season we did not score a hatful of goals but we did compete with energy and good teamwork in all areas of the pitch and I expect to see that replicated next season.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 28, 2024 13:17:41 GMT 1
Hurst doesn't play entertaining football. We only really hammered one side that whole season, Bristol Rovers. What Hurst does is very effective and competitive football. Disagree, I was throughly entertained most of the 17/18 season, we played some lung busting energetic football, with some real neat elements of play. Our ability to retain possession from throw ins being exemplary that season compared to what came before Hurst, and after as well. I dont think too many would agree with you about it being entertaining tbh. Effective and competitive is a much better description imo. On the whole that is always going to be more succesful than simply being entertaining which we were. |
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