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Post by mattmw on May 27, 2024 13:01:06 GMT 1
Going back to the original "Six pledges" from Labour, I can understand why some traditional Labour voters are a bit dissapointed that they are a little "safe" and things like abolishing tuition fees and down grading the climate change actions look likely to be removed from the Labour manifesto despite Starmer pledging them in the past when he became leader.
I guess its all down to perspecive but I think a certain pragmatism from Labour that if they gain power they will be inheriting a whole series of fairly disasterous sitiuations from the NHS, adult social care, the cost of living and crisis in local government, alongside a very fractured international situation.
Its far better to under promise and over deliver, than over promise and under deliver, as maybe Sunak has found with the pledges he made earlier in his time in office. It doesn't make for greatly optimistic speaches and policies, but I think any politician suggesting the next 5 years will be anything other than a hard slog for everyone is not to be trusted.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 5, 2024 13:05:39 GMT 1
Going back to the original "Six pledges" from Labour, I can understand why some traditional Labour voters are a bit dissapointed that they are a little "safe" and things like abolishing tuition fees and down grading the climate change actions look likely to be removed from the Labour manifesto despite Starmer pledging them in the past when he became leader. I guess its all down to perspecive but I think a certain pragmatism from Labour that if they gain power they will be inheriting a whole series of fairly disasterous sitiuations from the NHS, adult social care, the cost of living and crisis in local government, alongside a very fractured international situation. Its far better to under promise and over deliver, than over promise and under deliver, as maybe Sunak has found with the pledges he made earlier in his time in office. It doesn't make for greatly optimistic speaches and policies, but I think any politician suggesting the next 5 years will be anything other than a hard slog for everyone is not to be trusted. Completely agree. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 5, 2024 13:07:54 GMT 1
Going back to the original "Six pledges" from Labour, I can understand why some traditional Labour voters are a bit dissapointed that they are a little "safe" and things like abolishing tuition fees and down grading the climate change actions look likely to be removed from the Labour manifesto despite Starmer pledging them in the past when he became leader. I guess its all down to perspecive but I think a certain pragmatism from Labour that if they gain power they will be inheriting a whole series of fairly disasterous sitiuations from the NHS, adult social care, the cost of living and crisis in local government, alongside a very fractured international situation. Its far better to under promise and over deliver, than over promise and under deliver, as maybe Sunak has found with the pledges he made earlier in his time in office. It doesn't make for greatly optimistic speaches and policies, but I think any politician suggesting the next 5 years will be anything other than a hard slog for everyone is not to be trusted. Completely agree. As you have pointed out we're ever you look the country is a mess and this will not be sorted out in five years. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 30, 2024 17:45:22 GMT 1
Going back to the original "Six pledges" from Labour, I can understand why some traditional Labour voters are a bit dissapointed that they are a little "safe" and things like abolishing tuition fees and down grading the climate change actions look likely to be removed from the Labour manifesto despite Starmer pledging them in the past when he became leader. I wonder how they feel now |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 1, 2024 14:24:12 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Oct 1, 2024 18:11:54 GMT 1
lets talk about here and now for once, we've played the tory bashing game for 14 years, its now time for Labour to answer the same questions, or should we introduce Tony Blairs broken pledges into the debate too and make it a non debate as far as this government goes if I liken it to a football game Labour are 3 minutes into the game and they are 2 nil down having had their captain score 2 own goals maybe we should vote the tories in next , or maybe the voters should look outside the box I blame the tactical voters, everyone gets what nobody wants |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 2, 2024 12:37:14 GMT 1
To provide some balance it's been a big thumbs up for Starmer and Labour so far from me. Impressive start.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 18:39:04 GMT 1
To provide some balance it's been a big thumbs up for Starmer and Labour so far from me. Impressive start. why ? did you get out of prison early  ( joke ) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2024 18:45:54 GMT 1
To provide some balance it's been a big thumbs up for Starmer and Labour so far from me. Impressive start. Care to expand on that.
Admittedly they're not the Tories, but so far I'm struggling to find anything else in their favour.
Looking at both main parties it's not difficult to see why 14% of the population voted for a bunch of right wing, Trump wannabe, racists pricks.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 3, 2024 11:59:09 GMT 1
Haha I didn't get out of prison early so can rule that one out.
They scrapped Rwanda, have settled loads of pay disputes to stop strikes happening, want closer ties to the EU, winter fuel allowance means testing is just common sense.
Don't agree with all the donation stuff but if I'm being cynical and honest I don't really care, I just want public services fixed.
Of course, if this upcoming budget is as terrible as is being leaked than I reserve the right to take back everything I've just said!
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Post by Pilch on Oct 3, 2024 21:12:42 GMT 1
Haha I didn't get out of prison early so can rule that one out. They scrapped Rwanda, have settled loads of pay disputes to stop strikes happening, want closer ties to the EU, winter fuel allowance means testing is just common sense. Don't agree with all the donation stuff but if I'm being cynical and honest I don't really care, I just want public services fixed. Of course, if this upcoming budget is as terrible as is being leaked than I reserve the right to take back everything I've just said! as for Rwanada, my mum has paid tax for well over 60s years and now he's taken her winter fuel allowance off her, on a serious note after I lost my dad 3 years ago, me and my mum have tea together every Thursday, my mums house is old and hard to heat, it has no cavity insulation (solid walls) etc, but due to one of my medication tablets I suffer from cold feet, it can be painful, so now my mum now comes to mine every week, main reason she gets stressed about how much its costing to have her heating on, its not like she cant afford it, its just the way she was brought up I'm considering dropping her off in Calais on Sunday and popping her in the dinghy heading towards the uk, at least she will get a nice warm hotel when she arrives ;-) |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 4, 2024 14:29:14 GMT 1
Haha I didn't get out of prison early so can rule that one out. They scrapped Rwanda, have settled loads of pay disputes to stop strikes happening, want closer ties to the EU, winter fuel allowance means testing is just common sense. Don't agree with all the donation stuff but if I'm being cynical and honest I don't really care, I just want public services fixed. Of course, if this upcoming budget is as terrible as is being leaked than I reserve the right to take back everything I've just said! as for Rwanada, my mum has paid tax for well over 60s years and now he's taken her winter fuel allowance off her, on a serious note after I lost my dad 3 years ago, me and my mum have tea together every Thursday, my mums house is old and hard to heat, it has no cavity insulation (solid walls) etc, but due to one of my medication tablets I suffer from cold feet, it can be painful, so now my mum now comes to mine every week, main reason she gets stressed about how much its costing to have her heating on, its not like she cant afford it, its just the way she was brought up I'm considering dropping her off in Calais on Sunday and popping her in the dinghy heading towards the uk, at least she will get a nice warm hotel when she arrives ;-) Is she not eligible for pension credit? |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 4, 2024 18:18:38 GMT 1
as for Rwanada, my mum has paid tax for well over 60s years and now he's taken her winter fuel allowance off her, on a serious note after I lost my dad 3 years ago, me and my mum have tea together every Thursday, my mums house is old and hard to heat, it has no cavity insulation (solid walls) etc, but due to one of my medication tablets I suffer from cold feet, it can be painful, so now my mum now comes to mine every week, main reason she gets stressed about how much its costing to have her heating on, its not like she cant afford it, its just the way she was brought up I'm considering dropping her off in Calais on Sunday and popping her in the dinghy heading towards the uk, at least she will get a nice warm hotel when she arrives ;-) Is she not eligible for pension credit? not until she arrives in dover on Sunday ;-) heres a news report from 2017, Labour suggesting planned tory winter fuel cuts will kill 4000 pensioners www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/05/tory-winter-fuel-allowance-cuts-puts-4000-lives-at-risk-claims-labour |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 7, 2024 10:24:42 GMT 1
Sympathies but with any policy there are going to be people caught in the middle - I'm not sure retired millionaires should get a tax free sum to heat up their homes |
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Post by servernaside on Oct 9, 2024 16:36:59 GMT 1
To provide some balance it's been a big thumbs up for Starmer and Labour so far from me. Impressive start. My God! You must have a very low bar. I assume by those same miserable standards you think that Salop have got the season off to a roaring start. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 9, 2024 22:17:23 GMT 1
I like this lady's style
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 31, 2024 10:31:42 GMT 1
I'm sure every pensioner who feels absolutely furious that their winter fuel allowance was taken off them is thanking the government for increasing the pension by £470 a year.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 31, 2024 11:07:18 GMT 1
I'm sure every pensioner who feels absolutely furious that their winter fuel allowance was taken off them is thanking the government for increasing the pension by £470 a year. I'm just waiting for someone to jump in and say , the tories would have given a winter allowance and raised the pensions How long do you think I'll be waiting ? 😝 |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 31, 2024 11:36:24 GMT 1
I'm sure every pensioner who feels absolutely furious that their winter fuel allowance was taken off them is thanking the government for increasing the pension by £470 a year. I'm just waiting for someone to jump in and say , the tories would have given a winter allowance and raised the pensions How long do you think I'll be waiting ? 😝 The difference in that is I agree with you that I think the Tories would have done that. So you didn't have to wait too long! I think it would have been a terrible idea but I'm guessing that's where we differ. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 31, 2024 11:56:30 GMT 1
I'm just waiting for someone to jump in and say , the tories would have given a winter allowance and raised the pensions How long do you think I'll be waiting ? 😝 The difference in that is I agree with you that I think the Tories would have done that. So you didn't have to wait too long! I think it would have been a terrible idea but I'm guessing that's where we differ. I got £400 a couple of years ago when my monthly fuel direct debit was then £35 I joked about it , but taking it off elderly people now that actually need it is neglect Even labour cried out when the tories threatened to cut it saying it could cost 4000 lives Had I been giving the budget yesterday I would have said sorry but we cannot afford to keep this but to protect lives we are going to reluctantly keep it , some things are more important than money , and those 4000 are not perishing on my watch I'd have been a hero 👍 |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 31, 2024 12:32:47 GMT 1
The difference in that is I agree with you that I think the Tories would have done that. So you didn't have to wait too long! I think it would have been a terrible idea but I'm guessing that's where we differ. I got £400 a couple of years ago when my monthly fuel direct debit was then £35 I joked about it , but taking it off elderly people now that actually need it is neglect Even labour cried out when the tories threatened to cut it saying it could cost 4000 lives Had I been giving the budget yesterday I would have said sorry but we cannot afford to keep this but to protect lives we are going to reluctantly keep it , some things are more important than money , and those 4000 are not perishing on my watch I'd have been a hero 👍 It's easy to be a hero when you're not trying to balance the books though right? |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 31, 2024 13:38:48 GMT 1
I got £400 a couple of years ago when my monthly fuel direct debit was then £35 I joked about it , but taking it off elderly people now that actually need it is neglect Even labour cried out when the tories threatened to cut it saying it could cost 4000 lives Had I been giving the budget yesterday I would have said sorry but we cannot afford to keep this but to protect lives we are going to reluctantly keep it , some things are more important than money , and those 4000 are not perishing on my watch I'd have been a hero 👍 It's easy to be a hero when you're not trying to balance the books though right? Rome wasn't built in a day Honestly is the best policy As far as starmer goes there is a proverb that he needs to be aware of further down the line A liar is not believed even when he speaks the truth |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 31, 2024 16:12:57 GMT 1
It's easy to be a hero when you're not trying to balance the books though right? Rome wasn't built in a day Honestly is the best policy As far as starmer goes there is a proverb that he needs to be aware of further down the line A liar is not believed even when he speaks the truth I agree, wish they'd have just said that in the election campaign |
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