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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 11:24:15 GMT 1
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 21, 2024 11:24:15 GMT 1
Think Southgates got his mind on the man utd job,if man utd don't start well next season👍😃😃😳😉
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jun 21, 2024 11:30:41 GMT 1
Come on, you know I wasn't (or I'd like to think you know I wasn't) , I was just replying to the previous comment which was comparing it to the election and how people want change when there isn't necessarily a better alternative. And yes Southgate has done well for us, I think most people would accept that. Some people think we can progress as a nation with an alternative whilst others think Southgate should carry on because he's done better than most managers in the past and therefore that's good enough.
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 12:18:18 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 21, 2024 12:18:18 GMT 1
did you see Robertson v Germany , hes well past his sell by date England’s left back options are an out of position past his best Trippier, an out of position untested for England Joe Gomez, or a hasn’t been seen in 2024 Luke Shaw. I’d still have a declining Robertson over them, the whole left side a huge issue for us this tournament. As a Liverpool sympathiser, I wouldn’t have Gomez anywhere near the squad!0
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 21, 2024 12:24:32 GMT 1
The game for me, summed up Southgate’s tactical ineptitude. Both teams looked to be attacking the same goal - ours! You won’t win a game by stringing numerous passes together around your own but you could very well lose it.
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 12:46:52 GMT 1
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 21, 2024 12:46:52 GMT 1
Yep.....they're defenders,trying to look good and passing it sideways,around the box....they can't do it...and that's why they're defenders!!!!🤷🤦
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 13:00:47 GMT 1
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 21, 2024 13:00:47 GMT 1
England’s left back options are an out of position past his best Trippier, an out of position untested for England Joe Gomez, or a hasn’t been seen in 2024 Luke Shaw. I’d still have a declining Robertson over them, the whole left side a huge issue for us this tournament. As a Liverpool sympathiser Brave to admit that on here!
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 13:03:49 GMT 1
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jun 21, 2024 13:03:49 GMT 1
Thankfully I won't be able to watch the next match I will be enjoying an evening with the national treasure that is John Lydon. The England team cannot compete with that in its current form
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 13:08:43 GMT 1
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 21, 2024 13:08:43 GMT 1
I was wrong when writing on another thread that no player from Scotland/Wales/NI would get in the England squad. Andy Robertson would be starting at No. 3. Don’t know how I forgot about him. We are suffering from ‘got to get all our best players in’ syndrome and forgetting it’s a team game and teams need a balance. Rice at 4, Foden at 8 and Bellingham 10 playing behind Kane who will be told to stay away from midfield. Gordon at 11 to provide pace and width. Plus pray that Shaw gets fit. did you see Robertson v Germany , hes well past his sell by date You rightly criticise people for making judgments based on one game. Is it your opinion that Roberson wouldn’t get in the current England squad if he was qualified for it?
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Post by GlosShrew on Jun 21, 2024 13:27:46 GMT 1
My two-penneth worth if it really matters!! My first tournament following England was Mexico 1970 and ever since bloody Gerd Muller rose like a salmon to volley the ball into the net past Peter Bonnetti it has been one disappointment after another! Southgate took over an England team who were in a shambles - World Cup 2014 and Euros 2016 were disastrous so he deserves enormous credit for getting to a World Cup semi then a European final. Losing to the eventual finalists in the 22 World Cup was in hindsight slightly disappointing. Under his tenure England have won as many games in the knockout phases (six) as in all of the previous tournaments since 1966 – which goes to show how miserable the years have been since then!! I have been a Southgate supporter – he always comes across as an honest, articulate guy who never ducks an issue and he has created an atmosphere where the players wanted to play for England again. However you can’t win with the England job – damned if you do and damned if you don’t!! Also being criticised from all corners by so-called experts who have never managed a team in their lives (Rio Ferdinand, Micah Richards, Ian Wright - I am looking at you!!) must be extremely galling! However I do think this is now time for him to move on and pass the baton on to someone who can move the team to another level. A lot will depend on the next two games (reckon even if we lose to Slovenia we will still get through to the last 16) – lose them and he is definitely on his way. If he does go then he will have my thanks for giving me more hope and optimism over the past seven to eight years then the previous fifty!!! Apologies for the ramble!!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2024 13:42:21 GMT 1
did you see Robertson v Germany , hes well past his sell by date You rightly criticise people for making judgments based on one game. Is it your opinion that Roberson wouldn’t get in the current England squad if he was qualified for it? last night we were trying to get Kane into the French side, now we are discussing getting a scot into the English side , I say we complete a 3 way deal and give the Scots Oliver Giroud ;-) on a serious note , this debate is a season out of date as Robertson has been way below average this season , he's usually well into double figures with assists, I bet hes managed 2 or 3 this season at best, so when someone tells me the following (below) I'd say add Robertson to that list too and pick one at random, personally I'd have like to have seen if Chillwell was up to it in one of the friendlies England’s left back options are an out of position past his best Trippier, an out of position untested for England Joe Gomez, or a hasn’t been seen in 2024 Luke Shaw.
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 13:49:04 GMT 1
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Post by belfastshrew on Jun 21, 2024 13:49:04 GMT 1
Also being criticised from all corners by so-called experts who have never managed a team in their lives (Rio Ferdinand, Micah Richards, Ian Wright - I am looking at you!!) must be extremely galling! I thought this too...I think it was the england game, but there was Ferdinand and Richards criticism after criticism...the actual manager in the middle, Thomas Frank, didn't even get a word in or even get asked anything.
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 13:55:17 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 21, 2024 13:55:17 GMT 1
It's all well and good fans shouting for the head of Southgate but what's the alternative. It's the same for me with the election. S If we were demanding change every time we lose or have a poor defeat then I'd be a bit more understanding of this view. But Southgate has been in charge for 8 years (and going back to your election anaoliy, the Tories have been in charge for 14 years). When things are going poorly and/or going backwards then people inevitably want change, thats nothing new. But to answer your question, I could give you a whole list of names who I think could do better than Southgate, whether any of them are realistic or are interested is another matter so I genuinely don't understand why people shout down 'get rid of him' with 'who's the alternative?' it's not our job to do that. But I'm pretty confident that with the money on offer (Southgate is the highest paid manager at the Euro's), the players available to them and the challenge of finally delivering some success to England, the role would appeal to many managers. And I'd like to think that they have more on their CV than managing Middlesbrough "When things are going poorly/backwards then people want change" Just be thankful we are so poor that we have had a final and a semi in Southgates charge. We havnt had many of those since Alf Ramsey but plenty far worse performances.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Jun 21, 2024 14:19:39 GMT 1
Well, if England are looking for a new manager, Robert Page is now available!
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 21, 2024 15:15:27 GMT 1
On the left back situation I was hoping for Mitchell of Crystal Palace to be in the squad - natural left wingback with bags of pace. Trippier is doing his best there but cannot get forward much after an injury-hit season and it seems madness to me to rely on Shaw being fit when he has not played since February. All of our decent attacks against Denmark came down the right and Foden only looked a threat when he drifted into the middle (where he should be playing anyway). I agree we need some attacking pace down that flank with Gordon being the obvious choice.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2024 15:25:00 GMT 1
If we were demanding change every time we lose or have a poor defeat then I'd be a bit more understanding of this view. But Southgate has been in charge for 8 years (and going back to your election anaoliy, the Tories have been in charge for 14 years). When things are going poorly and/or going backwards then people inevitably want change, thats nothing new. But to answer your question, I could give you a whole list of names who I think could do better than Southgate, whether any of them are realistic or are interested is another matter so I genuinely don't understand why people shout down 'get rid of him' with 'who's the alternative?' it's not our job to do that. But I'm pretty confident that with the money on offer (Southgate is the highest paid manager at the Euro's), the players available to them and the challenge of finally delivering some success to England, the role would appeal to many managers. And I'd like to think that they have more on their CV than managing Middlesbrough "When things are going poorly/backwards then people want change" Just be thankful we are so poor that we have had a final and a semi in Southgates charge. We havnt had many of those since Alf Ramsey but plenty far worse performances. I watched a fantastic doc last year whilst on a plane, it was about bobby Robson, many remember him as a hero from Italia 90 reaching the semis and such a gent in the game, but might forget or not know that he was ripped to pieces in the build up and during that tournament, if youve not seen it hunt it down as it really is a must see
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 15:57:43 GMT 1
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Post by GlosShrew on Jun 21, 2024 15:57:43 GMT 1
"When things are going poorly/backwards then people want change" Just be thankful we are so poor that we have had a final and a semi in Southgates charge. We havnt had many of those since Alf Ramsey but plenty far worse performances. I watched a fantastic doc last year whilst on a plane, it was about bobby Robson, many remember him as a hero from Italia 90 reaching the semis and such a gent in the game, but might forget or not know that he was ripped to pieces in the build up and during that tournament, if youve not seen it hunt it down as it really is a must see Bobby Robson was manager during Euros 88 - if you think these are bad...
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 16:06:56 GMT 1
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 21, 2024 16:06:56 GMT 1
Is Matty Taylor available part time....likes a low block😁👍
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 21, 2024 17:30:12 GMT 1
As a Liverpool sympathiser Brave to admit that on here! Not at all mate. The posters who knock Liverpool don’t usually nail their colours to the mast even though it is easy to work out who some of them class at their “second’ club. We are after all STFC first and foremost but also football fans in general. I have a personal attachment to Liverpool as well as Everton and WBA which I have gone into in the past. My son is a Man City fan and has had season tickets there for a few years. He is far from bding a Glory hunter as he followed them when they were in Division 3.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 21, 2024 19:01:12 GMT 1
Well done Austria again....good hardworking, organised team,and fit as butchers dogs..... something I want to see at Shrewsbury next season....and you won't go far wrong with that!!
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 21, 2024 19:34:49 GMT 1
How impressive is the female referee pundit Christina on ITV. Really knows her stuff.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Jun 21, 2024 19:44:03 GMT 1
How impressive is the female referee pundit Christina on ITV. Really knows her stuff. I don't know why they need so many pundits. I thought the BBC was short of money!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2024 20:05:23 GMT 1
How impressive is the female referee pundit Christina on ITV. Really knows her stuff. I don't know why they need so many pundits. I thought the BBC was short of money! To tick the diversity box
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 20:07:55 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2024 20:07:55 GMT 1
Would Turham get in the England side ?
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 21, 2024 20:23:06 GMT 1
Watching France v Dutch, so refreshing to see two reams who want to go forward. Southgate. should try it.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2024 21:32:36 GMT 1
VARce
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Post by mullersalopian on Jun 21, 2024 21:35:12 GMT 1
Trust it to be the English officials to take the longest VAR time and get it wrong awful Decision
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 21, 2024 21:35:24 GMT 1
Embarrassing that it’s an English ref who disallows a perfectly good Dutch goal. No way was the keeper going to save that shot or impeded by the player.
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 21:36:59 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2024 21:36:59 GMT 1
I thought Platini had been given the boot from fifa , I guess he's back
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 21:55:57 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2024 21:55:57 GMT 1
Watching France v Dutch, so refreshing to see two reams who want to go forward. Southgate. should try it. First goalless draw
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Euro 2024
Jun 21, 2024 22:03:04 GMT 1
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Post by cabanas2017 on Jun 21, 2024 22:03:04 GMT 1
Watching France v Dutch, so refreshing to see two reams who want to go forward. Southgate. should try it. First goalless draw Nearly as boring as England v Denmark
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