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Post by ProudSalopian on Jun 20, 2024 21:31:39 GMT 1
Southgate has said himself he was disappointed in the performance, the team need to step up a level, there's a huge amount of work to do and the first two performances are not what he would have hoped for. I hope someone at the FA tells him to stop moaning.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 20, 2024 21:33:48 GMT 1
Southgate has said himself he was disappointed in the performance, the team need to step up a level, there's a huge amount of work to do and the first two performances are not what he would have hoped for. I hope someone at the FA tells him to stop moaning. thanks goodness for that, imagine had he said he was happy, he would have got lynched
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Post by Pilch on Jun 20, 2024 21:34:58 GMT 1
Spain currently showing their class, 1 up from an own goal, you cant teach that ;-)
holders Italy currently 3 points from 2 games, a lucky win v Albania
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 20, 2024 21:46:10 GMT 1
Spain....best team I've seen so far..... quick attacking football,with 2 very good wingers,yamal and Williams
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Post by tarporleyblue on Jun 20, 2024 22:23:40 GMT 1
I was impressed with Spain this evening. Should have won by a wider margin for sure.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 20, 2024 22:30:30 GMT 1
Even ayoze perez looked good for em!!
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Post by MetaShrew on Jun 20, 2024 23:14:34 GMT 1
If England don't beat Slovenia and win Group C, they may want to consider a tactical loss and progressing as a third-place team... as if they finish second in Group C, they will likely play Germany...
Even I'm not sure if I'm being serious.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 20, 2024 23:46:09 GMT 1
If England don't beat Slovenia and win Group C, they may want to consider a tactical loss and progressing as a third-place team... as if they finish second in Group C, they will likely play Germany... Even I'm not sure if I'm being serious. Despite tonight I fully expect England to win and finish top of the group.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 20, 2024 23:47:03 GMT 1
I was impressed with Spain this evening. Should have won by a wider margin for sure. Didnt see it but they failed to actually score themselves. At least England managed to do that.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 21, 2024 7:10:11 GMT 1
Spain....best team I've seen so far..... quick attacking football,with 2 very good wingers,yamal and Williams Yes, Williams and Musiala the players of the tournament so far for me - nice to see some direct and tricky wing play. Frightening to think Yamal is only 16!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 21, 2024 7:57:53 GMT 1
whilst this was a disappointing performance we managed to get a point, It is frustrating that the players who can play a lot better than this don't replicate there club performances, as it is we should get out of this stage but unless we have a dramatic improvement in form i cant see us progressing very far.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 21, 2024 8:33:39 GMT 1
The tournament is averaging a cool four goals per game so far! Not too bad so far, and not all walkovers too, which I imagine is a concern with increased numbers in the tournament. Hungary and Albania definitely put up more of a fight than Scotland! England match I'm sure will be dull as dishwater but the other matches look hopefully interesting. Dutch need a win in a potentially hard group. All that said it feels weird to think a fair few 3rd placed finishers will go through too. Takes some of the jeopardy out Well my dull prediction was sadly continued onto the second match. Really hard watch. Shame compared to on the whole an entertaining tournament so far. Luckily for England they will still probably top the group but as soon as they come up against a decent side they've got no hope. Don't understand how Gordon didnt get on last night. Intrigued to see if there will be any changes for the last game. Does he drop Saka, Belligham, Kane or Foden? Alexander Arnold should go but wonder if that might be the only change. One of the biggest issues for me is Trippier at left back. But unless Shaw is fit can't see a change happening. Unless Southgate sees this match as a dead rubber as England are already through. Who knows. But think his days as England manager are going to be over after this tournament
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 21, 2024 8:38:13 GMT 1
Spain....best team I've seen so far..... quick attacking football,with 2 very good wingers,yamal and Williams Yes, Williams and Musiala the players of the tournament so far for me - nice to see some direct and tricky wing play. Frightening to think Yamal is only 16! Frightening I think that a 16 year old is playing this much. He's played 58 games this season. This is still a child. Can't see professional footballers still going into their 30s with that much football that young
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 21, 2024 8:50:19 GMT 1
Not too bad so far, and not all walkovers too, which I imagine is a concern with increased numbers in the tournament. Hungary and Albania definitely put up more of a fight than Scotland! England match I'm sure will be dull as dishwater but the other matches look hopefully interesting. Dutch need a win in a potentially hard group. All that said it feels weird to think a fair few 3rd placed finishers will go through too. Takes some of the jeopardy out Well my dull prediction was sadly continued onto the second match. Really hard watch. Shame compared to on the whole an entertaining tournament so far. Luckily for England they will still probably top the group but as soon as they come up against a decent side they've got no hope. Don't understand how Gordon didnt get on last night. Intrigued to see if there will be any changes for the last game. Does he drop Saka, Belligham, Kane or Foden? Alexander Arnold should go but wonder if that might be the only change. One of the biggest issues for me is Trippier at left back. But unless Shaw is fit can't see a change happening. Unless Southgate sees this match as a dead rubber as England are already through. Who knows. But think his days as England manager are going to be over after this tournament And who is your tip to take over from Southgate? He would have to improve on where weve currently are obviously, can you imagine the moans if we went backwards.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 21, 2024 8:57:21 GMT 1
Spain....best team I've seen so far..... quick attacking football,with 2 very good wingers,yamal and Williams Yes, Williams and Musiala the players of the tournament so far for me - nice to see some direct and tricky wing play. Frightening to think Yamal is only 16! Spain's midfield last night was so good. Rodri, Fabian Ruiz and Pedri. So balanced and so good with retaining the ball. Italy got nowhere near them. Main concern for Spain is that they only managed one goal from being that dominant.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 21, 2024 8:59:32 GMT 1
Well my dull prediction was sadly continued onto the second match. Really hard watch. Shame compared to on the whole an entertaining tournament so far. Luckily for England they will still probably top the group but as soon as they come up against a decent side they've got no hope. Don't understand how Gordon didnt get on last night. Intrigued to see if there will be any changes for the last game. Does he drop Saka, Belligham, Kane or Foden? Alexander Arnold should go but wonder if that might be the only change. One of the biggest issues for me is Trippier at left back. But unless Shaw is fit can't see a change happening. Unless Southgate sees this match as a dead rubber as England are already through. Who knows. But think his days as England manager are going to be over after this tournament And who is your tip to take over from Southgate? He would have to improve on where weve currently are obviously, can you imagine the moans if we went backwards. Not a clue. Just has the feeling that it's coming to an end for both parties. Think his contract is up too, so surely would make sense. Poisoned chalice as a job though I agree, no idea who would want it. Although I'm sure the pay packet will appeal!
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 21, 2024 9:01:32 GMT 1
I did say that I'd leave my opinions on England, until they play the decent teams......but the 2 displays by them already....have answered the question!!!🤷🤷
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 21, 2024 9:07:03 GMT 1
I was wrong when writing on another thread that no player from Scotland/Wales/NI would get in the England squad. Andy Robertson would be starting at No. 3. Don’t know how I forgot about him.
We are suffering from ‘got to get all our best players in’ syndrome and forgetting it’s a team game and teams need a balance.
Rice at 4, Foden at 8 and Bellingham 10 playing behind Kane who will be told to stay away from midfield. Gordon at 11 to provide pace and width. Plus pray that Shaw gets fit.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jun 21, 2024 9:18:29 GMT 1
For a number of years some fans (myself included) have been saying how how defensive/cautious Southgate is and it feels like the players are being held back. Now I don't know if that's true but it's not like he isn't giving attacking players an opportunity, started with Kane, Bellingham, Saka & Foden, ended with Watkins, Eze, Gallagher & Bowen, it's not a case of him bringing defensive minded players on and shutting up shop.
The most worrying part is how disjointed the side looks, a right back at left back, a right back in centre mid, a left winger who isn't a left winger. There were huge holes in midfield (as evidenced by no one closing down for the equaliser) and then when we had the ball, there was very little movement or runners so it's basically pass back/sideways or a aimless hoof up to Kane who if he does win it, inevitably loses it because he has such little support.
I expect we will get through and then maybe get beyond the next round but that's as far as this side will go which will spell the end of Southgate. Whether someone else can improve on what he has done is of course open to debate but I'd prefer to risk it and hope someone can maximise the talent we have
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 21, 2024 9:45:58 GMT 1
Fair do's I was never the quickest on a football pitch but Harry Kane last night !!, does he think its the Walking Football Championships ?
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2024 9:47:33 GMT 1
I was wrong when writing on another thread that no player from Scotland/Wales/NI would get in the England squad. Andy Robertson would be starting at No. 3. Don’t know how I forgot about him. We are suffering from ‘got to get all our best players in’ syndrome and forgetting it’s a team game and teams need a balance. Rice at 4, Foden at 8 and Bellingham 10 playing behind Kane who will be told to stay away from midfield. Gordon at 11 to provide pace and width. Plus pray that Shaw gets fit. did you see Robertson v Germany , hes well past his sell by date
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 21, 2024 10:07:21 GMT 1
I think we can have unrealistic expectations around the way the England team should be playing, expecting them to play like prime City/Liverpool/Arsenal despite the fact these managers work day in day out on a system, but that was genuinely one of the most turgid and slow tempo performances I can remember. Even more galling when you watch other games in this tournament and see almost every other team going for it.
For me fundamental changes are needed to the team and tactics, rather than scapegoating individual players. The likes of Kane, Foden and Alexander-Arnold have copped the most stick so far, all playing well short of their standards but also some of England’s most gifted players so if they can’t influence the games then something must be seriously wrong.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 21, 2024 10:12:30 GMT 1
I was wrong when writing on another thread that no player from Scotland/Wales/NI would get in the England squad. Andy Robertson would be starting at No. 3. Don’t know how I forgot about him. We are suffering from ‘got to get all our best players in’ syndrome and forgetting it’s a team game and teams need a balance. Rice at 4, Foden at 8 and Bellingham 10 playing behind Kane who will be told to stay away from midfield. Gordon at 11 to provide pace and width. Plus pray that Shaw gets fit. did you see Robertson v Germany , hes well past his sell by date England’s left back options are an out of position past his best Trippier, an out of position untested for England Joe Gomez, or a hasn’t been seen in 2024 Luke Shaw. I’d still have a declining Robertson over them, the whole left side a huge issue for us this tournament.
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 21, 2024 10:24:31 GMT 1
It's all well and good fans shouting for the head of Southgate but what's the alternative. It's the same for me with the election. Sunpak out but is the alternative any better. The same in the USA. Biden out but we know who the alternative will be. I think Southgate will leave anyway at the end of this competition irrespective of how we finish.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2024 10:51:14 GMT 1
It's all well and good fans shouting for the head of Southgate but what's the alternative. It's the same for me with the election. Sunpak out but is the alternative any better. The same in the USA. Biden out but we know who the alternative will be. I think Southgate will leave anyway at the end of this competition irrespective of how we finish. its todays culture, we have to get someone kicked out at all cost
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 21, 2024 10:59:16 GMT 1
Is this the new thing where we pretend England fans are demanding for Southgate to be dismissed based on a bit of criticism after a very underwhelming start to the Euros?
No rational or same England fan wants to see him gone mid tournament, but I think it’s fair to question his tactics and question whether you want to see a change after the tournament.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jun 21, 2024 11:11:57 GMT 1
It's all well and good fans shouting for the head of Southgate but what's the alternative. It's the same for me with the election. S If we were demanding change every time we lose or have a poor defeat then I'd be a bit more understanding of this view. But Southgate has been in charge for 8 years (and going back to your election anaoliy, the Tories have been in charge for 14 years). When things are going poorly and/or going backwards then people inevitably want change, thats nothing new. But to answer your question, I could give you a whole list of names who I think could do better than Southgate, whether any of them are realistic or are interested is another matter so I genuinely don't understand why people shout down 'get rid of him' with 'who's the alternative?' it's not our job to do that. But I'm pretty confident that with the money on offer (Southgate is the highest paid manager at the Euro's), the players available to them and the challenge of finally delivering some success to England, the role would appeal to many managers. And I'd like to think that they have more on their CV than managing Middlesbrough
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 21, 2024 11:13:30 GMT 1
Always supported / defended Southgate, but yesterday was dire, no getting away from that, unacceptably poor from him and the players who must shoulder some responsibility too
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2024 11:17:52 GMT 1
Is this the new thing where we pretend England fans are demanding for Southgate to be dismissed based on a bit of criticism after a very underwhelming start to the Euros? No rational or same England fan wants to see him gone mid tournament, but I think it’s fair to question his tactics and question whether you want to see a change after the tournament. you pretend what you like, I listened to various phone ins after last nights game, seen vids on you tube and comments on Facebook "sack Southgate now" are the hilarious knee jerk cries
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2024 11:22:17 GMT 1
It's all well and good fans shouting for the head of Southgate but what's the alternative. It's the same for me with the election. S If we were demanding change every time we lose or have a poor defeat then I'd be a bit more understanding of this view. But Southgate has been in charge for 8 years (and going back to your election anaoliy, the Tories have been in charge for 14 years). When things are going poorly and/or going backwards then people inevitably want change, thats nothing new. But to answer your question, I could give you a whole list of names who I think could do better than Southgate, whether any of them are realistic or are interested is another matter so I genuinely don't understand why people shout down 'get rid of him' with 'who's the alternative?' it's not our job to do that. But I'm pretty confident that with the money on offer (Southgate is the highest paid manager at the Euro's), the players available to them and the challenge of finally delivering some success to England, the role would appeal to many managers. And I'd like to think that they have more on their CV than managing Middlesbrough you are seriously comparing Southgate to the prime ministers of England ? how about compare Southgate to England managers instead www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-every-england-manager-ranked-from-worst-to-best
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