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Post by northwestman on Mar 31, 2024 20:26:10 GMT 1
There can be no doubt now that the country has lost confidence in the Conservatives and that there is almost nothing that can change that before the general election, whenever it happens. But it is also clear that the electorate has little faith in the main opposition party to solve the problems that are pushing the population to despair. The Labour lead in opinion polls does not appear to be generated by a realistic hope for new measures which will transform the nation’s prospects. In fact, Sir Keir Starmer and his team are deliberately playing down the prospect of any such miraculous remedies. What appears to be driving much of the Labour support – at least, the element of it which is not simply public sector or trade union self-interest – is a form of desperation. The shambolic, aimless performance of the party in power and the decline of institutions which are the government’s responsibility (like the NHS) have produced utter exasperation. Voting the Tories out will be a form of revenge, not a statement of faith in the Labour alternative. But what should concern us right now is this catastrophic loss of faith in government itself. Daily Telegraph. So many of the electorate regard themselves as effectively disenfranchised with the current 1st past the post system still in place. Only Belarus, a dictatorship, uses the same procedure in deciding elections. Therefore, the only ploy left to us is tactical voting if we want a particular candidate to be defeated. This will certainly have to take place in Shrewsbury, where all the usual voters for other parties will need to get behind the Labour candidate to rid us of Kawczynski. But this is far from ideal, as it means individuals voting for a party they wouldn't normally support. However, Starmer is resisting a move to PR, as the current system suits him just fine, enabling Labour to be the only realistic alternative to the Tories. members.parliament.uk/constituency/3729/election/397 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 1, 2024 10:07:17 GMT 1
If there is one learning point for the Conservative party maybe it is that trusting their members, a tiny percentage of the electorate, to elect a new Prime Minister for the rest of us failed. They voted Truss, a disaster, so we ended up with the loser, he never really stood a chance of looking like a Prime Minister that would win a General Election.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 1, 2024 21:42:59 GMT 1
I didn’t lose faith at all. I never had any to lose in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2024 18:46:12 GMT 1
There can be no doubt now that the country has lost confidence in the Conservatives and that there is almost nothing that can change that before the general election, whenever it happens. But it is also clear that the electorate has little faith in the main opposition party to solve the problems that are pushing the population to despair. The Labour lead in opinion polls does not appear to be generated by a realistic hope for new measures which will transform the nation’s prospects. In fact, Sir Keir Starmer and his team are deliberately playing down the prospect of any such miraculous remedies. What appears to be driving much of the Labour support – at least, the element of it which is not simply public sector or trade union self-interest – is a form of desperation. The shambolic, aimless performance of the party in power and the decline of institutions which are the government’s responsibility (like the NHS) have produced utter exasperation. Voting the Tories out will be a form of revenge, not a statement of faith in the Labour alternative. But what should concern us right now is this catastrophic loss of faith in government itself. Daily Telegraph. So many of the electorate regard themselves as effectively disenfranchised with the current 1st past the post system still in place. Only Belarus, a dictatorship, uses the same procedure in deciding elections. Therefore, the only ploy left to us is tactical voting if we want a particular candidate to be defeated. This will certainly have to take place in Shrewsbury, where all the usual voters for other parties will need to get behind the Labour candidate to rid us of Kawczynski. But this is far from ideal, as it means individuals voting for a party they wouldn't normally support. However, Starmer is resisting a move to PR, as the current system suits him just fine, enabling Labour to be the only realistic alternative to the Tories. members.parliament.uk/constituency/3729/election/397Labour and the Tories both have a vested interest in keeping FPTP. One party gets in, stays in power for a decade, eff's everything up, the other lot get in and start the cycle again.
I am a Labour member and also a parish and town councillor so I am always going to support Labour, but I would really like to see a small majority for them, just to keep them honest. A landslide does nobody any favours, because they will be able to run roughshod over any dissenting voices.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 3, 2024 20:36:28 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2024 6:05:56 GMT 1
I am not even all that far to the left, but I would have no chance of being selected.
FWIW in Telford Sean Davies has been chosen as our candidate, but the Labour party did put up two people with zero connection to the town to fight for the job, one of whom pulled out at the last minute, hoping to coalesce the non-Davies vote. I am not a fan personally, but better him than some 22 year old Labour central office intern from the home counties. |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Apr 5, 2024 16:42:45 GMT 1
If there is one learning point for the Conservative party maybe it is that trusting their members, a tiny percentage of the electorate, to elect a new Prime Minister for the rest of us failed. They voted Truss, a disaster, so we ended up with the loser, he never really stood a chance of looking like a Prime Minister that would win a General Election. Many if not most Tory members only renew their membership so that they can have a choice for leader of the party. This is the case of 2 I, know who both voted for mad Liz. I do agree with you, in that such a small electorate are not suited to choose a leader who will appeal to the country, or is the most capable. Next time it’s up for grabs, I suspect most would vote for lying Boris if he is an MP at the time, and therefore eligible. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 17, 2024 18:22:00 GMT 1
I lost all faith in government and all parties after Margaret Thatcher got in to power and sold off all the nationalized industry, I am a labour voter and detested Blair he was like a second hand car salesman, the system is corrupt and the level of averice by MPs disgusts me
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I know there are a handful of hard working dedicated MPs but there are getting a rare species.
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Post by rob62 on Apr 18, 2024 15:38:42 GMT 1
Agree that party HQ all to frequently force local constituencies to have a cardboard cut out head office approved clone who has no connection to the area.
That was one of the reasons I was pleased that Helen Morgan won North Shropshire rather than the Tory who knew nothing about the area.
It is clear that both Tories and the Lib Dems will be there in opposition after the General Election, I would like to think that people would pay more attention to the calibre and track record of the candidates before they cast their vote
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 18, 2024 16:56:44 GMT 1
Agree that party HQ all to frequently force local constituencies to have a cardboard cut out head office approved clone who has no connection to the area. That was one of the reasons I was pleased that Helen Morgan won North Shropshire rather than the Tory who knew nothing about the area. It is clear that both Tories and the Lib Dems will be there in opposition after the General Election, I would like to think that people would pay more attention to the calibre and track record of the candidates before they cast their vote I'd like to think, after Lee Anderson and a number of scandals, the Conservative party would pay more attention to the calibre and track record of the candidates they present the electorate with. |
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Post by Minormorris64 on Apr 18, 2024 22:23:47 GMT 1
Agree that party HQ all to frequently force local constituencies to have a cardboard cut out head office approved clone who has no connection to the area. That was one of the reasons I was pleased that Helen Morgan won North Shropshire rather than the Tory who knew nothing about the area. It is clear that both Tories and the Lib Dems will be there in opposition after the General Election, I would like to think that people would pay more attention to the calibre and track record of the candidates before they cast their vote I'd like to think, after Lee Anderson and a number of scandals, the Conservative party would pay more attention to the calibre and track record of the candidates they present the electorate with. Labour Rochdale ? Quality? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 19, 2024 10:59:46 GMT 1
I'd like to think, after Lee Anderson and a number of scandals, the Conservative party would pay more attention to the calibre and track record of the candidates they present the electorate with. Labour Rochdale ? Quality? It's easy to point to the odd dud in any party, but the Conservatives have had loads. In addition to any wrong doers, they have had some poor choices such as Liz Truss, and locally, Daniel. |
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