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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 28, 2024 19:14:53 GMT 1
Interesting to see Portsmouth also made a £3m loss despite pumping loads of money into the club and having attendances 3 times ours: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68673644It’s very tough for lower-tier football clubs. I expect we will hear sobering news about a number of clubs in this reporting round. Plus precious little support from the stinking rich Premier League clubs.
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Post by gobowenshrew on Mar 28, 2024 19:33:29 GMT 1
Morbid as hell question here for the financial experts but given the age of the Chairman, hopefully I can be forgiven for asking it.
Are there financial benefits for the future estate of Mr Wycherley were he to die as major shareholder as opposed to selling up and riding off into the proverbial sunset having sold them?
Or are shares treated as an asset and subject to same inheritance taxation as cash would be?
Once again apologies for the question, it's sort of how my ADHD brain works!
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 28, 2024 19:33:31 GMT 1
My (rather simplistic) view is Roland the plaudits when he saved us in the 90s, he subsequently has been praised when we have been a financial prudent club and one that is often referred to as being run sensibly which other clubs should aspire to.
So if he can be praised when things go well, he can be subject to scrutiny, challenge and criticism when things go wrong.
Of course that's not to say that it's all down to him and of course serious questions need to be raised about Caldwell & Cotterill but Roland is the one constant in all of this
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 28, 2024 19:37:30 GMT 1
He is the controlling shareholder and chair of the board. Of course he sits over the board. He effectively "owns" the business. That is why he is the only director who has served in the last 20 years still there and he has a stand named after him.
If it is a collective effort and all about the team then why does only he have an MBE?
What you are implying feels like good news is him and bad news is everyone else.
Two directors and two key staff members appear to have fallen on their swords over the debacle.
The directors shared equal blame with him but only they paid the price? That makes no sense. No - I am saying that if they take their roles as Directors seriously, then all three Directors should have been watching the cash drop including the Chairman. As they (the other two) were unpaid, and had no funds in, I am not sure leaving was "paying a price" for them, they had had all the good times, been to Wembley and Liverpool and all the rest, then left when things were tight. Are you suggested the two directors that left jumped off a sinking ship and were in some way shirking their responsibilities? That's a bold claim given their good standing in both the local and the fans community. That mud doesn't stick to either of them. Have you noticed how the mud had got fired at Brian, Cotterill, the other two directors. It's a bit unlucky all these supposedly good people with good reputations all turned upside down at the same time? Or perhaps they're being flamed to distract us? Especially as they don't have the right of reply?
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Post by Minormorris64 on Mar 28, 2024 19:39:36 GMT 1
Evidently we've marginally gone for it on the playing side, some luxury admin expenses have popped out too. But the trajectory and financial planning/ forecasting at the top (chairman, board and CEO) has gone utterly AWOL, it's pretty basic financial modelling to see where the club finances are headed in season without transfer sales / cup runs without having to arrive at the destination of a 3 million loss. The cloth shouldve been cut to a more sustainable level last summer. All this talk of Cotterill and Caldwell having free reign does not happen in a functioning business with adequate safeguards and monitoring. Asleep at the wheel. Also as the situation seems pretty dire financially why on earth are we spending money on transfer fees. Imo the investment the club craves cannot come soon enough. In other words a model relying on transfer sales and cup runs is pure fairy dust and plans should he based on reality
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 28, 2024 19:42:57 GMT 1
Morbid as hell question here for the financial experts but given the age of the Chairman, hopefully I can be forgiven for asking it. Are there financial benefits for the future estate of Mr Wycherley were he to die as major shareholder as opposed to selling up and riding off into the proverbial sunset having sold them? Or are shares treated as an asset and subject to same inheritance taxation as cash would be? Once again apologies for the question, it's sort of how my ADHD brain works! Oh, that does sound a step too far, though it has to be faced up to I suppose.
If my opinion is right about RW, then he has got his will and finances arranged to cater for his family, as you should, and also to be able to look down on us if there is an after life and feel he's done right by his beloved Shrewsbury Town.
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Post by gobowenshrew on Mar 28, 2024 19:47:05 GMT 1
My (rather simplistic) view is Roland the plaudits when he saved us in the 90s, he subsequently has been praised when we have been a financial prudent club and one that is often referred to as being run sensibly which other clubs should aspire to. So if he can be praised when things go well, he can be subject to scrutiny, challenge and criticism when things go wrong. Of course that's not to say that it's all down to him and of course serious questions need to be raised about Caldwell & Cotterill but Roland is the one constant in all of this A solid point here. By design or otherwise, the Chairman " dined out" on the PR benefits of us being this well run club for years. I think after a while, a lot of our fans started to resent national media and those with only a surface level interest in the club championing how great a job the Chairman had done when other clubs with more ambition were overtaking us along the way. What I will say is the financial accounts of most professional football clubs published today make grim reading and this would probably have something to do with the lack of promised funds from the Premier League. Probably the biggest challenge we've faced as a club since the ITV digital palava for those of us old enough to remember that particular debacle.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Mar 28, 2024 19:51:07 GMT 1
Can someone compile a table of losses for all other League One clubs, to get some perspective?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 28, 2024 19:52:27 GMT 1
Morbid as hell question here for the financial experts but given the age of the Chairman, hopefully I can be forgiven for asking it. Are there financial benefits for the future estate of Mr Wycherley were he to die as major shareholder as opposed to selling up and riding off into the proverbial sunset having sold them? Or are shares treated as an asset and subject to same inheritance taxation as cash would be? Once again apologies for the question, it's sort of how my ADHD brain works! Oh, that does sound a step too far, though it has to be faced up to I suppose.
If my opinion is right about RW, then he has got his will and finances arranged to cater for his family, as you should, and also to be able to look down on us if there is an after life and feel he's done right by his beloved Shrewsbury Town.
Aren't the shares held in a family trust already? Or was that the stadium? Do you remember all that discussion at the time?
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Post by Pilch on Mar 28, 2024 19:54:00 GMT 1
My (rather simplistic) view is Roland the plaudits when he saved us in the 90s, he subsequently has been praised when we have been a financial prudent club and one that is often referred to as being run sensibly which other clubs should aspire to. So if he can be praised when things go well, he can be subject to scrutiny, challenge and criticism when things go wrong. Of course that's not to say that it's all down to him and of course serious questions need to be raised about Caldwell & Cotterill but Roland is the one constant in all of this A solid point here. By design or otherwise, the Chairman " dined out" on the PR benefits of us being this well run club for years. I think after a while, a lot of our fans started to resent national media and those with only a surface level interest in the club championing how great a job the Chairman had done when other clubs with more ambition were overtaking us along the way. What I will say is the financial accounts of most professional football clubs published today make grim reading and this would probably have something to do with the lack of promised funds from the Premier League. Probably the biggest challenge we've faced as a club since the ITV digital palava for those of us old enough to remember that particular debacle. I think you are confusing our humble chairman with Robert maxwell , I'd loved to see some of these dining out stories that seemed to not have a mention in the previous 20+ years in this forum
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 28, 2024 20:07:07 GMT 1
Can someone compile a table of losses for all other League One clubs, to get some perspective? As a starter for 10, our opponents tomorrow, Oxford Utd have just published their end of year accounts. They made a loss of £6,180,52. This figures includes the sum of £1,627,407 for player sales.
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Post by gobowenshrew on Mar 28, 2024 20:11:09 GMT 1
A solid point here. By design or otherwise, the Chairman " dined out" on the PR benefits of us being this well run club for years. I think after a while, a lot of our fans started to resent national media and those with only a surface level interest in the club championing how great a job the Chairman had done when other clubs with more ambition were overtaking us along the way. What I will say is the financial accounts of most professional football clubs published today make grim reading and this would probably have something to do with the lack of promised funds from the Premier League. Probably the biggest challenge we've faced as a club since the ITV digital palava for those of us old enough to remember that particular debacle. I think you are confusing our humble chairman with Robert maxwell , I'd loved to see some of these dining out stories that seemed to not have a mention in the previous 20+ years in this forum Like I precursed, whether "by design or not", the club received a lot of praise for it's perceived financial stability. (Perhaps I should have specified the club as opposed to chairman - I take your point) But I don't suppose any other fanbase save Chester or Bury, who are always the extreme examples, have looked on with envy at our annual 17th place finish and uninspiring football and wished they could have been us. That's the nuance of Wycherley's legacy and typical of any legacy that has gone on for so long. Hence my agreeing with Proud Salopians comment about taking the criticism as well as the praise
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Post by aw on Mar 28, 2024 20:14:21 GMT 1
My take is that Town are a fairly well run club and the fact they announce losses of £3m+ says to me football as a whole must be in a very sorry state
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 28, 2024 20:26:21 GMT 1
Interesting to see Portsmouth also made a £3m loss despite pumping loads of money into the club and having attendances 3 times ours: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68673644It’s very tough for lower-tier football clubs. I expect we will hear sobering news about a number of clubs in this reporting round. Reminds me of the question, “how do you become a millionaire?”. Answer, start as a billionaire and buy a football club.
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Mar 28, 2024 21:02:46 GMT 1
No - I am saying that if they take their roles as Directors seriously, then all three Directors should have been watching the cash drop including the Chairman. As they (the other two) were unpaid, and had no funds in, I am not sure leaving was "paying a price" for them, they had had all the good times, been to Wembley and Liverpool and all the rest, then left when things were tight. Are you suggested the two directors that left jumped off a sinking ship and were in some way shirking their responsibilities? That's a bold claim given their good standing in both the local and the fans community. That mud doesn't stick to either of them. Have you noticed how the mud had got fired at Brian, Cotterill, the other two directors. It's a bit unlucky all these supposedly good people with good reputations all turned upside down at the same time? Or perhaps they're being flamed to distract us? Especially as they don't have the right of reply? Paul Delves spent a lot of money in sponsorship whilst a director at the club and is well respected. Whilst not in a position to buy the club in his own right he did get a consortium of swedish billionaires who would give Roland 10m to buy the club. With a loss of 3m it seems a good bid was turned down. Perhaps the fact it was identified during due diligence during the bid didn't go down well with Roland. Either way RW is at fault for these issues
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Post by belfastshrew on Mar 28, 2024 21:21:06 GMT 1
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Post by dewsburyshrew on Mar 28, 2024 21:49:53 GMT 1
It is well known that RW would love to have a season in the Championship before he goes. Cotterill was a left field appointment for a club like us, but was apparently friendly with RW. I wonder if SC persuaded the Chairman that he could bring the desired promotion, but that he would need a degree of control to do it. That could explain why expenditure was allowed to run unchecked for a while.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 28, 2024 21:55:15 GMT 1
Interesting to see Portsmouth also made a £3m loss despite pumping loads of money into the club and having attendances 3 times ours: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68673644It’s very tough for lower-tier football clubs. I expect we will hear sobering news about a number of clubs in this reporting round. Plus precious little support from the stinking rich Premier League clubs. this is all the result of the EFL telling the premier no thanks back in 1992, we can do a better deal ourselves they said, now the EFL are on their knees begging for that very deal the premier league originally offered them, but the efl now have almost zero bargaining power left having virtually given everything in their favour away already, I think they are hanging on for the independent guys to turn up and take pity on them
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Post by Pilch on Mar 28, 2024 22:25:19 GMT 1
It is well known that RW would love to have a season in the Championship before he goes. Cotterill was a left field appointment for a club like us, but was apparently friendly with RW. I wonder if SC persuaded the Chairman that he could bring the desired promotion, but that he would need a degree of control to do it. That could explain why expenditure was allowed to run unchecked for a while. this sure is the case, there was no fan more surprised than me when RW appointed Cotterill, not your usual unheard of non league guy like we were used to, not whitehead as caretaker as I predicted, but he went and headhunted not only a good friend of his but a seemingly decent manager. we also had Brian, the guy the fans loved, time for the chairman to jump in the back seat, let the experienced guys take the wheel, and yet they went for a joyride at the expense of STFC and the chairman himself, and the fans are now enjoying the consequences or not as the case it. I 100% despise those 2 guys, cant even bear to joke about liking them and find it bizarre than some feel the need to, always wary of both of them from the start anyway, they knew what they were doing, and yet they continued to do so despite the chairman catching up with them and pleading for it to stop, I believe the COE was the guy writing the cheques, ok last 6 months of 22/23 season is was probably RW but pre agreed invoices still arrive and need paying . and even SC has alluded to this since his departure with a bart Simpson, 'it wasnt me writing the cheques' comment. but it seems clear he was a bully at the club, clocking up needless expenses and ultimately not prepared to stay and work with us this season with a director of football in place, hence him having the boot too its just as well the cotterill fans didn't get their way with 'just give him a bigger budget', that would have killed our club, being a realist my current hope is next seasons accounts are better
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Mar 28, 2024 22:28:13 GMT 1
I'm still a bit confused by it all tbh. I think Vladimir's statement that "we've marginally gone for it on the playing side, some luxury admin expenses have popped out too" seems accurate, the 800k accounts would seem to account for the higher wages (I think Shipley is the only high earner we paid a fee for?) of Dunkley, Marosi, O'Brien etc.
If they'd made up £2.5m of the losses I could see it as a financed go at a promotion push gone wrong. But as it is, beyond that and the missing Premiership money, which it seems to be no clearer as to whether that's late or non-existent incidentally, a change from last summer's message, I've no idea where the rest of the losses have occurred. It's not the odd stay at a hotel or a new bus.
Worryingly, given Oxford, Lincoln and Pompey's similarly scary sounding losses, it's increasingly seemingly like everyone's ****ed, which can't be good for anyone.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 28, 2024 22:48:47 GMT 1
I think you are confusing our humble chairman with Robert maxwell , I'd loved to see some of these dining out stories that seemed to not have a mention in the previous 20+ years in this forum Like I precursed, whether "by design or not", the club received a lot of praise for it's perceived financial stability. (Perhaps I should have specified the club as opposed to chairman - I take your point) But I don't suppose any other fanbase save Chester or Bury, who are always the extreme examples, have looked on with envy at our annual 17th place finish and uninspiring football and wished they could have been us. That's the nuance of Wycherley's legacy and typical of any legacy that has gone on for so long. Hence my agreeing with Proud Salopians comment about taking the criticism as well as the praise I went to a meeting once (gay meadow) where Keith Sayfritz was the rep from the town, he was telling us about the near disaster of 2003 when we got relegated, we were half a million in debt, possibly heading towards admin, drew Everton in the cup and then missed out on a big payday with no live tv, amazingly beat them and got the tv game we needed, it wiped out our debt, the chairman and the whole club breathed a massive sigh of relief, they decided this should never happen again, and main thing was to get a new ground to secure more regular income and bring in fans there was no tone of "it was us who saved the club ", it was the good fortune of a live cup tie, very honest and humble, looks to me from the accounts that the chairman has maybe put best part of 7 figures in to keep us going during the accounts period , and probably more since I guess the chairman dreams of a new guy to turn up with enough money to take us forward as much as the fans do, he has new goals to achieve outside of football, if anyone thinks the chairman wants to spend the rest of his life turning away buyers and instead withering away his life savings to help town struggle along whilst getting stressed to the hilt , well its just not a realistic opinion to have I say
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Post by dannylad01 on Mar 28, 2024 23:23:15 GMT 1
Like I precursed, whether "by design or not", the club received a lot of praise for it's perceived financial stability. (Perhaps I should have specified the club as opposed to chairman - I take your point) But I don't suppose any other fanbase save Chester or Bury, who are always the extreme examples, have looked on with envy at our annual 17th place finish and uninspiring football and wished they could have been us. That's the nuance of Wycherley's legacy and typical of any legacy that has gone on for so long. Hence my agreeing with Proud Salopians comment about taking the criticism as well as the praise I went to a meeting once (gay meadow) where Keith Sayfritz was the rep from the town, he was telling us about the near disaster of 2003 when we got relegated, we were half a million in debt, possibly heading towards admin, drew Everton in the cup and then missed out on a big payday with no live tv, amazingly beat them and got the tv game we needed, it wiped out our debt, the chairman and the whole club breathed a massive sigh of relief, they decided this should never happen again, and main thing was to get a new ground to secure more regular income and bring in fans there was no tone of "it was us who saved the club ", it was the good fortune of a live cup tie, very honest and humble, looks to me from the accounts that the chairman has maybe put best part of 7 figures in to keep us going during the accounts period , and probably more since I guess the chairman dreams of a new guy to turn up with enough money to take us forward as much as the fans do, he has new goals to achieve outside of football, if anyone thinks the chairman wants to spend the rest of his life turning away buyers and instead withering away his life savings to help town struggle along whilst getting stressed to the hilt , well its just not a realistic opinion to have I say Just to pick up on the investment, it looks to me from nite 24 in the accounts Roland put in £400k up to June 2023 with Duncan putting in £100k (£500k in total) by way of loans. At 26 March 2024, that total between them stood at £1,285,000, so a further £785k in the last 9 months
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Post by Pilch on Mar 28, 2024 23:28:03 GMT 1
I went to a meeting once (gay meadow) where Keith Sayfritz was the rep from the town, he was telling us about the near disaster of 2003 when we got relegated, we were half a million in debt, possibly heading towards admin, drew Everton in the cup and then missed out on a big payday with no live tv, amazingly beat them and got the tv game we needed, it wiped out our debt, the chairman and the whole club breathed a massive sigh of relief, they decided this should never happen again, and main thing was to get a new ground to secure more regular income and bring in fans there was no tone of "it was us who saved the club ", it was the good fortune of a live cup tie, very honest and humble, looks to me from the accounts that the chairman has maybe put best part of 7 figures in to keep us going during the accounts period , and probably more since I guess the chairman dreams of a new guy to turn up with enough money to take us forward as much as the fans do, he has new goals to achieve outside of football, if anyone thinks the chairman wants to spend the rest of his life turning away buyers and instead withering away his life savings to help town struggle along whilst getting stressed to the hilt , well its just not a realistic opinion to have I say Just to pick up on the investment, it looks to me from nite 24 in the accounts Roland put in £400k up to June 2023 with Duncan putting in £100k (£500k in total) by way of loans. At 26 March 2024, that total between them stood at £1,285,000, so a further £785k in the last 9 months you could be right, im no expert when it comes to the accounts, where's ant when you need him ? but yes, its looks like over 7 figures required to keep us away from points reductions
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Post by dannylad01 on Mar 28, 2024 23:35:06 GMT 1
Just to pick up on the investment, it looks to me from nite 24 in the accounts Roland put in £400k up to June 2023 with Duncan putting in £100k (£500k in total) by way of loans. At 26 March 2024, that total between them stood at £1,285,000, so a further £785k in the last 9 months you could be right, im no expert when it comes to the accounts, where ant when you need him ? Still a substantial amount of money to meet running costs. Had the premier league money been the same last year as the year before then it would have covered the loan. The problem is last year appears to have used the majority of the cash reserves built up in previous years, hence the need for further cash injections this current year
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 28, 2024 23:35:06 GMT 1
I went to a meeting once (gay meadow) where Keith Sayfritz was the rep from the town, he was telling us about the near disaster of 2003 when we got relegated, we were half a million in debt, possibly heading towards admin, drew Everton in the cup and then missed out on a big payday with no live tv, amazingly beat them and got the tv game we needed, it wiped out our debt, the chairman and the whole club breathed a massive sigh of relief, they decided this should never happen again, and main thing was to get a new ground to secure more regular income and bring in fans there was no tone of "it was us who saved the club ", it was the good fortune of a live cup tie, very honest and humble, looks to me from the accounts that the chairman has maybe put best part of 7 figures in to keep us going during the accounts period , and probably more since I guess the chairman dreams of a new guy to turn up with enough money to take us forward as much as the fans do, he has new goals to achieve outside of football, if anyone thinks the chairman wants to spend the rest of his life turning away buyers and instead withering away his life savings to help town struggle along whilst getting stressed to the hilt , well its just not a realistic opinion to have I say Just to pick up on the investment, it looks to me from nite 24 in the accounts Roland put in £400k up to June 2023 with Duncan putting in £100k (£500k in total) by way of loans. At 26 March 2024, that total between them stood at £1,285,000, so a further £785k in the last 9 months That's correct and is what the club have been telling us, ie that they have both been bankrolling the club because of our losses.
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Post by DiglisShrew on Mar 28, 2024 23:50:46 GMT 1
Morbid as hell question here for the financial experts but given the age of the Chairman, hopefully I can be forgiven for asking it. Are there financial benefits for the future estate of Mr Wycherley were he to die as major shareholder as opposed to selling up and riding off into the proverbial sunset having sold them? Or are shares treated as an asset and subject to same inheritance taxation as cash would be? Once again apologies for the question, it's sort of how my ADHD brain works! Quite simply , assuming the Chairman owns the share personally there would be no Inheritance Tax payable by the Estate (100% Business Property Relief) and his beneficiaries would inherit at. market value tax free . If I were his tax adviser my advice might be to either gift sooner or later or just hold on till death x
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 28, 2024 23:52:02 GMT 1
Like I precursed, whether "by design or not", the club received a lot of praise for it's perceived financial stability. (Perhaps I should have specified the club as opposed to chairman - I take your point) But I don't suppose any other fanbase save Chester or Bury, who are always the extreme examples, have looked on with envy at our annual 17th place finish and uninspiring football and wished they could have been us. That's the nuance of Wycherley's legacy and typical of any legacy that has gone on for so long. Hence my agreeing with Proud Salopians comment about taking the criticism as well as the praise I went to a meeting once (gay meadow) where Keith Sayfritz was the rep from the town, he was telling us about the near disaster of 2003 when we got relegated, we were half a million in debt, possibly heading towards admin, drew Everton in the cup and then missed out on a big payday with no live tv, amazingly beat them and got the tv game we needed, it wiped out our debt, the chairman and the whole club breathed a massive sigh of relief, they decided this should never happen again, and main thing was to get a new ground to secure more regular income and bring in fans there was no tone of "it was us who saved the club ", it was the good fortune of a live cup tie, very honest and humble, looks to me from the accounts that the chairman has maybe put best part of 7 figures in to keep us going during the accounts period , and probably more since I guess the chairman dreams of a new guy to turn up with enough money to take us forward as much as the fans do, he has new goals to achieve outside of football, if anyone thinks the chairman wants to spend the rest of his life turning away buyers and instead withering away his life savings to help town struggle along whilst getting stressed to the hilt , well its just not a realistic opinion to have I say At the same time when fans were being told we had a state of the art new stadium on the way we asked why there were no toilet seats and were told "at least you don't have to p**s in the river" and that's a direct quote from Roland. When Gareth Hopkins asked why we didn't have a supporters bar at the new stadium Mal Whitrick threw a set of architects plans at him and asked him to show him where it would fit. Look back at the last twenty years for Wrexham, Hereford, Chester or Telford and I choose Shrewsbury. Look at Burton, Rotherham, or Wycombe and I choose them. It all depends on your perspective and in large parts that's shaped by the attitude of leadership, not just the success of it.
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Post by pughywasfree on Mar 29, 2024 0:06:32 GMT 1
Funny old game football. If last season SC free check book would have resulted in promotion then we would be calling him the new missah and RW would have been praised for backing a decent manager that he personally headhunted.
The fact we spent so much yet had such an incomplete squad makes me seriously doubt SC ability as a manager.
Hopefully we can secure safety this season and really get behind the club next season as we litteraly fight for survival both on and off the pitch.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 29, 2024 0:12:39 GMT 1
I went to a meeting once (gay meadow) where Keith Sayfritz was the rep from the town, he was telling us about the near disaster of 2003 when we got relegated, we were half a million in debt, possibly heading towards admin, drew Everton in the cup and then missed out on a big payday with no live tv, amazingly beat them and got the tv game we needed, it wiped out our debt, the chairman and the whole club breathed a massive sigh of relief, they decided this should never happen again, and main thing was to get a new ground to secure more regular income and bring in fans there was no tone of "it was us who saved the club ", it was the good fortune of a live cup tie, very honest and humble, looks to me from the accounts that the chairman has maybe put best part of 7 figures in to keep us going during the accounts period , and probably more since I guess the chairman dreams of a new guy to turn up with enough money to take us forward as much as the fans do, he has new goals to achieve outside of football, if anyone thinks the chairman wants to spend the rest of his life turning away buyers and instead withering away his life savings to help town struggle along whilst getting stressed to the hilt , well its just not a realistic opinion to have I say At the same time when fans were being told we had a state of the art new stadium on the way we asked why there were no toilet seats and were told "at least you don't have to p**s in the river" and that's a direct quote from Roland. When Gareth Hopkins asked why we didn't have a supporters bar at the new stadium Mal Whitrick threw a set of architects plans at him and asked him to show him where it would fit. Look back at the last twenty years for Wrexham, Hereford, Chester or Telford and I choose Shrewsbury. Look at Burton, Rotherham, or Wycombe and I choose them. It all depends on your perspective and in large parts that's shaped by the attitude of leadership, not just the success of it. re the new ground, I got hammered on here for suggesting a gate be inserted in the superblues way , equally hammered for then suggesting we need 2 gates, I suggested a fence be erected between the power bar and the west stand, moaned about silly things like real ale in smithys and on the concourse, moaned about the state of how dangerous Oteley road was and how it needed widening, how the fence climbing was highly dangerous and a path needed inserting, suggested safe standing in the south stand years before it arrived, its fair to say ive done my fair share of club bashing where I felt it was needed and fair play they listened, whether they listened to me or just common sense prevailed I dont know is some case but one thing I can say, I never needed a s**t at the ground or any other ground for that matter, ive somehow managed to control my body to avoid that problem ever arising, but I am led to believe it was sorted having used the west stand northern toilets recently I noticed the cubicles there tend to be used , not for what they are intended but for 2 guys to dart into for what I can only guess is drug related usage
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Post by Pilch on Mar 29, 2024 0:15:40 GMT 1
Funny old game football. If last season SC free check book would have resulted in promotion then we would be calling him the new missah and RW would have been praised for backing a decent manager that he personally headhunted. The fact we spent so much yet had such an incomplete squad makes me seriously doubt SC ability as a manager. Hopefully we can secure safety this season and really get behind the club next season as we litteraly fight for survival both on and off the pitch. he was only 18 points short of 6th place, and that includes many games we literally stole
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